You should read the clubs strategic plan before you go off half cocked Cheesy ol' chum.

Who was driving the bus? Ratt's was told he had a top 4 list and just to remind you.................

This is from "The Blue Print" Strategic Plan

Strategic Objective 1:
PREMIERSHIPS
• Sustained success
• Including winning our 17th premiership
• Leading to winning two premierships by 2015.

Looks pretty clear Ratt's was under a fair amount of pressure for immediate results.

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It depends who you are playing. WB were missing their 2 best defenders and were undersized in defense. We played 3 talls forward and a style to get as many quick entries into forward 50 as possible - knowing that they would get room to do the same. We relied on that we would convert more entries due to this set-up. Entries into 50 were about even as far as I remember.

You cant do this against WC. They have tall's at both ends and we will (I assume) be playing a more defensive style or they will kill us. (IMHO)

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He had the time and resources to build a list capable of doing that. Other clubs got and continue to get better results with less of both.

He had carte-blanche, "Cimmsy", and left us in the middle of nowhere.

As senior coach I'd reckon most everything he deemed necessary to achieve success, whether it be recommended to him by others or devised himself, was granted in pursuit of that success. A trip to Dubai for a training camp, hiring different people, recruiting in a particular way... The board, for all their faults, would e acquiesced to his wishes.

The success anticipated didn't come to pass, whether we overstated the abilities of our list or went as far as it could, therefore he wears the responsibility. Just as Mick will if we don't improve.

Encouraging thing is Mick wasn't hired after spells assisting at Melbourne, following a stellar stint in charge at Norwood. Not the Norwood, mind, the one in Ringwood.

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Synbads other mate has turned up

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Some people choose to remember things a certain way, others how it actually happened.

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Bullshit.

Mate.

Carlton people know where he's from ..........he's from CARLTON, not fresh from Eddies backside with an axe to grind. It might do you and the stooges good to run down a club champ who has been gone for 18 months,but it won't save Mick from criticism and it certainly shouldn't get him any more contract time UNTIL HE PRODUCES SOMETHING.

For all his faults Ratts would have us at 3-2 minimum.

You just need to keep looking to the future, not worry about Ratts' past.

MM has been an unmitigated disaster so far.

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..............then they ignore it and write about it in a manner that suits their story.

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So Ratts didn't coach the team in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 for the sum total of 1 finals win?

He didn't get gifted the best player in the game?

He didn't fail to oversee a footy dept capable of building a team beyond the small window he was currently in?

He's an assistant coach at best. But we gave him 5 years. That's the board and CEO's fault, that they persisted with a guy who wasn't up to it, giving him our best list in 15 years in the meantime. That was their biggest failing at the time.

You know why they did that? Because like you they bought the whole myopic "he's Carlton" line. He knows what's best for us because he's one of us. Ridiculous.

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But you said it was Ratts' fault.

Hooray, now you get it.

Instead of trying to sheet home all the blame to a former coach, blame the people really in charge.
Instead of looking back to a guy who was turfed ages ago look to the pumpkins still running the joint.
Instead of making excuses for the current coach, put the acid on him as well.

In one breath you say the list is shit and then it's "giving him our best list in 15 years"

WHICH IS IT??????????

Then say was "gifted the best player in the game" like that will somehow fix everything???????????

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE PLAYER !!!!!!

Here's Judd = Give me a flag

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You're not that thick are you, mate? Distinction was clearly made between Ratts being at fault for the crippling effects his time has had on our list and what the board was at fault for; that being backing him for so long.

I've been fairly consistent in my short time here in saying Ratts had the very best of this list. He had this current generation Carlton list - which is probably now in a new phase of regeneration - at its zenith.

He had Judd at his very best. He was given a legend of the game and sat on his hands, incapable or unsure how to take that and make us, the team, better for it. He bought into the Carlton messiah complex.

He failed to use both or plan for life in the next phase.

He is to blame.

The board is to blame because they let him be in charge of our best list in that period.

It's not that difficult, "Cimmsy".

Ratts ran us into the ground. The board, like you, were content with him at the helm because "he's a Carlton person".

Now Mick is there to fix everything Ratts left behind: shoddy list. KPP deficiencies, leadership issues, not enough youth, poor development, poor recruiting...

Get it yet?

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Sounds like 'Messiah complex" is contagious.

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Shoddy list?
But you said he had a good list???
Which is it?

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I get it.

You started out defending the board and blaming Ratts for MM's problems but say he had a great list.

If the board kept Ratt's as coach because he was a Carlton person they are fools.

My only reference to Ratt's as a Carlton person is we know where he's from and from that perspective he deserves more than a re-writing of history on YOUR BEHALF to sheet home every ailment the club currently finds itself with.

It suits you and your kind (who curiously turn up when things are going bad for ol' Powder Balls) to keep this as a problem of the past, not the present, because the present his a complete @#$%&! up and MM's fingerprints are being wiped from the scene of the crime.

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He left behind a list with heaps of holes, holes that were masked under his watch by tremendous individual performances from, amongst others, one of the greatest players of all time.

It was his negligence in building a sustainable and evolving list that has produced this chasm we see before us now.

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You're the same point of view from the other side of the fence.

You want to have a go at Mick, all the while forgetting who and what got us into this position.

All along I've taken the line that pillorying the current coach is premature, if only based on the reality that he is having to rebuild everything from the talent on the field to who and how we identify new talent, develop that talent, train them etc etc etc.

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Nope.

You want to run down Ratten and make the shoddy state of THE ENTIRE ORGANISATION his fault, because the heat is on MM.

Ratts was not the answer, but neither was he the entire problem, it runs way deeper than that.

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i probably know more people than u... and have more mates than u.
i mean real mates.... im a sociable kind of guy....


get on well with a whole bunch of people in here and outside of here....
cos im cool....!!!

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i totally agree.. but when u appoint guys that have no clue into jobs they cant handle.. and those jobs are pillars of a footy club.... the damage can be overwhelming.

i think that happened...

but i agree.... ratts didnt appoint himself... his mates appointed him
the judgement of this club is a problem

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How nice. Your daddy might be tougher than mine too

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You can't be serious, MM's fingerprints are on it as are the looters at a scene of the fire after the building has been burnt down by the insurance fraudster.

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