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Go Micky Go.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
cant blame a guy who is the ONLY person to see things for what they most OBVIOUSLY are in a whole era ....

everybody else was thinking this lot has what it takes to win a flag.....

mckay wasnt convinced but he didnt go too far against the grain too...


dont get me wrong... i was against this club not going through a proper process from the end of pagan... im on record as saying dumb decision.

then we kept one of the dumbest guys i have ever met along with sticks as coach for five full years and half a dozen games

thats twp of your pillars right there.. dumb as dog shit...!!!

this made us panic and get mick... but mick and his gameplan are hardly the problem ... this is perpetual and has been rolling from one sseason to the next...

we stumble ... we arent tough enough mentally .. we lack leaders.. our players are happy to do the bare minimum of work...this is something we have had in our dna and not addressed for season after season.. and somehow we were going to win flags

our list management.. our development.. our recruiting have been pathetic

there is nothing coming through....

so of course cubs like the bulldogs will come over the top of us.

who will play fb this week if jamo doesnt play? henderson?... and chb ... henderson??... chf....??/ henderson too??.. whatabout ff?? yes i know henderson......

it was almost bradshaw ... !! remember that.....

henderson through a spanner in our works... as ratts was leading him and reishetteli around princes park

i can understand them.... IF... we had exhausted all avenues to something else... but clearly we hadnt...!!!

thats our club and footy dept at work... thats a classic snapshot right there....

u wanna see our club in action????

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along with pick 12 and a week before trading even started....

ratten.....


You just tell the story Bradshaw story that way because it suits you but that wasn't how it went down. That trade was some of the smarter work they have done and Bradshaw and R chelli played their part beautifully while Voss had wet dreams over Brown to Fev.

Mick was off talking about the stars aligning when he should have did some quick research on the list. We could all see it. Well most of us anyway. Those not blinded by lollies.
Micks ego got the better of him.
Now you will say the stars aligning stuff was for our consumption. You are just saying that because it suits your argument again but it isn't the truth.

You are going to get what you want. Kind of.


Actually we can thank Ricky Nixon for this deal. We did jack shit and were salvilating at the thought of Bradshaw kicking bags and the east Keillor flyer Rischitelli tearing teams apart.

And they rejected us!!!

Ha what a flowering joke


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Why Collingwood Supporters Dislike Mick Malthouse
I used to respect Mick Malthouse, says Adam Hallinan. As the coach of Collingwood he delivered our 15th premiership, which we had been waiting 20 years for.
Opposition supporters just don’t get it. They are saying that we are average to treat a coach that delivered us a premiership with disdain. Let me try and explain our point of view.
In 2009 the now famous succession plan was signed off by Mick that would see him become the director of coaching for three years following the conclusion of the 2011 season, with Nathan Buckley taking over as senior coach. At that point in time Malthouse was the longest serving coach at a club ever without winning a premiership (10 years). In giving Mick another guaranteed 2 years as senior coach the ‘Pies were doing good by Mick. Yes we seemed to be in a healthy state at the time, but nobody looks back on losing preliminary finals as a success (or Grand Finals either going further back).
Under the plan, Nathan Buckley arrived at Collingwood for the 2010 as an assistant coach. Collingwood won the 2010 premiership, thanks mainly to the performance of the forward line, where intense pressure was applied to the opposition restricting the exit of the foot ball from Collingwood’s forward 50. The forward line coach in 2010 was…..Buckley. Coincidence?

Collingwood supporters dislike Mick Malthouse because they're a bunch of toothless feral unemployed uneducated slack-arse morons..........






















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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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redback wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
redback wrote:
Why Collingwood Supporters Dislike Mick Malthouse
I used to respect Mick Malthouse, says Adam Hallinan. As the coach of Collingwood he delivered our 15th premiership, which we had been waiting 20 years for.
Opposition supporters just don’t get it. They are saying that we are average to treat a coach that delivered us a premiership with disdain. Let me try and explain our point of view.
In 2009 the now famous succession plan was signed off by Mick that would see him become the director of coaching for three years following the conclusion of the 2011 season, with Nathan Buckley taking over as senior coach. At that point in time Malthouse was the longest serving coach at a club ever without winning a premiership (10 years). In giving Mick another guaranteed 2 years as senior coach the ‘Pies were doing good by Mick. Yes we seemed to be in a healthy state at the time, but nobody looks back on losing preliminary finals as a success (or Grand Finals either going further back).
Under the plan, Nathan Buckley arrived at Collingwood for the 2010 as an assistant coach. Collingwood won the 2010 premiership, thanks mainly to the performance of the forward line, where intense pressure was applied to the opposition restricting the exit of the foot ball from Collingwood’s forward 50. The forward line coach in 2010 was…..Buckley. Coincidence?

Collingwood supporters dislike Mick Malthouse because they're a bunch of toothless feral unemployed uneducated slack-arse morons..........






















What's YOUR excuse?


I support carlton



red back in all his logic taking front stage

ok ill bite.... so????

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:33 am 
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Moshe adding to footy discussions again.....actually Moshe is very good at spelling!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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people

I'm very good at spelling 'people' also .

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 Post subject: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:18 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Go Micky Go.

All aboard ... Toot Toot! :donk:


Quoting Ricky Nixon now?

That's a new low.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:27 am 
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Moshe adding to footy discussions again.....actually Moshe is very good at spelling!!!!!

???? Someone step on a toe blister or something? Why are you trolling me?



Oh, and how on earth would you recognise a footy discussion anyway?

Let's play blockbusters at a Suburban ground that holds 23,000, has no parking, and no support from the neighbours. Great discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:10 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
Let's play blockbusters at a Suburban ground that holds 23,000, has no parking, and no support from the neighbours. Great discussion.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Shows your deep "knowledge" of previous football discussions you have been reading in here.....
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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:14 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
cant blame a guy who is the ONLY person to see things for what they most OBVIOUSLY are in a whole era ....

everybody else was thinking this lot has what it takes to win a flag.....

mckay wasnt convinced but he didnt go too far against the grain too...


dont get me wrong... i was against this club not going through a proper process from the end of pagan... im on record as saying dumb decision.

then we kept one of the dumbest guys i have ever met along with sticks as coach for five full years and half a dozen games

thats twp of your pillars right there.. dumb as dog shit...!!!

this made us panic and get mick... but mick and his gameplan are hardly the problem ... this is perpetual and has been rolling from one sseason to the next...

we stumble ... we arent tough enough mentally .. we lack leaders.. our players are happy to do the bare minimum of work...this is something we have had in our dna and not addressed for season after season.. and somehow we were going to win flags

our list management.. our development.. our recruiting have been pathetic

there is nothing coming through....

so of course cubs like the bulldogs will come over the top of us.

who will play fb this week if jamo doesnt play? henderson?... and chb ... henderson??... chf....??/ henderson too??.. whatabout ff?? yes i know henderson......

it was almost bradshaw ... !! remember that.....

henderson through a spanner in our works... as ratts was leading him and reishetteli around princes park

i can understand them.... IF... we had exhausted all avenues to something else... but clearly we hadnt...!!!

thats our club and footy dept at work... thats a classic snapshot right there....

u wanna see our club in action????

Image

along with pick 12 and a week before trading even started....

ratten.....


You just tell the story Bradshaw story that way because it suits you but that wasn't how it went down. That trade was some of the smarter work they have done and Bradshaw and R chelli played their part beautifully while Voss had wet dreams over Brown to Fev.

Mick was off talking about the stars aligning when he should have did some quick research on the list. We could all see it. Well most of us anyway. Those not blinded by lollies.
Micks ego got the better of him.
Now you will say the stars aligning stuff was for our consumption. You are just saying that because it suits your argument again but it isn't the truth.

You are going to get what you want. Kind of.


Actually we can thank Ricky Nixon for this deal. We did jack shit and were salvilating at the thought of Bradshaw kicking bags and the east Keillor flyer Rischitelli tearing teams apart.

And they rejected us!!!

Ha what a flowering joke


That is not true.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:31 am 
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yes we were i wanna know what mckay was doing about it

shit operator


So what you are saying is we couldn't trade at the end of 2012 because "our hands were tied" ? and because we had no salary cap room?
That along with your thinking that Mick would bring out the best in the players and you using lollie eating, cheering goals and quoting stats as reasons a coach should be fired.
That along with the mocking of chip chip football 3 years back that is now used by all the top teams and mastered by the team assisted by the coach you mocked.
"get me players that can kick" - Ratts 2007

You mock posters and board members for being dumb but you record is not that great. Had you been in charge we would be no better off.

We all get things wrong. I get tonnes wrong. I enjoy it. Part of life.

...but if someone wants to call people dumb, a shit operator or have a go at their intelligence they would want the runs on the board to back themselves up you would have to agree.

Sticks and co had a crack. Failed. Overstayed their welcome. Now are going to move on.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:00 pm 
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I heard somewhere that MM was so confident of beating Melbourne that he had no hesitation in dropping Garlett and Waite as a statement. Waite was leading contested mark in league up to round three. This week the papers say that MM will abandon his ultra defensive game plan and let the players play with some flair. MM just changes his mind every week doesn't he.

MM lost me last year when he played Kruezer, Hampson and Warnock against the Saints when we'd been down this path before and it never worked. I didn't go to that game because of the team selections and I knew we would lose, which we did. If I could see this why couldn't super duper MM see it, or the match committee? Against Melbourne, I see Wiley and Malthouse on the boundary line when things are going pear shaped, they looked like dads army.

The worst thing for me is MM is Collinwgood, Thomas is Collingwood but I now see them in Navy Blue. In appointing MM we took short term positive brand exposure to what now looks like long term brand damage, that was the risk in getting MM and now we are a laughing stock. Don't care what anyone says about MM changing the place around, he's had 18 months and has done nothing, players are going backwards. What will happen if we are 0-7?

If MM is going to stick around that is the clubs decision, I started voting with my feet last year and I've only gone to one game this year when I could have gone to all of them. I've supported them through thick and thin, gave the club money in their time of crisis and I've been rewarded with shit recruiting both on and off the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I heard somewhere that MM was so confident of beating Melbourne that he had no hesitation in dropping Garlett and Waite as a statement. Waite was leading contested mark in league up to round three. This week the papers say that MM will abandon his ultra defensive game plan and let the players play with some flair. MM just changes his mind every week doesn't he.

MM lost me last year when he played Kruezer, Hampson and Warnock against the Saints when we'd been down this path before and it never worked. I didn't go to that game because of the team selections and I knew we would lose, which we did. If I could see this why couldn't super duper MM see it, or the match committee? Against Melbourne, I see Wiley and Malthouse on the boundary line when things are going pear shaped, they looked like dads army.

The worst thing for me is MM is Collinwgood, Thomas is Collingwood but I now see them in Navy Blue. In appointing MM we took short term positive brand exposure to what now looks like long term brand damage, that was the risk in getting MM and now we are a laughing stock. Don't care what anyone says about MM changing the place around, he's had 18 months and has done nothing, players are going backwards. What will happen if we are 0-7?

If MM is going to stick around that is the clubs decision, I started voting with my feet last year and I've only gone to one game this year when I could have gone to all of them. I've supported them through thick and thin, gave the club money in their time of crisis and I've been rewarded with shit recruiting both on and off the ground.


bax....
totally not true... he didnt drop them because of that... he dropped them to make a statement about their preparation...
not only is waite a lazy trainer but he is a prime example of what not to do for anybody coming through... thats why waite was dropped
garlett was dropped because he is lazy .. hes not taking in instruction and in case u havent noticed.. neither of these two have been effective this year regardless of who we played.
AND.....

we have had long term brand damage way before malthouse came..ridiculous argument .....but you have every right to not give the club any money... just stop feeding the chooks

club... i dunno what youre talking about....
i dont think u do too....

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:25 pm 
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People will say and do anything to defend their favourites at the club

and likewise say anything to demonise those they despise

Both fragile and massive egos are involved

It takes moral courage to admit defeat or that you were in error in the past.

This is why its important to be consistent with one's analysis of the problems, until new evidence pushes your opinions elsewhere.

I try to focus on the players because everything they do is out in the open. The game is analysed to the nth degree and even their training can be scrutinised...The game plan, structures and tactics on match day are also there for everyone to see.

How many supporters were screaming for the coach's and player's heads after the finals debacle of 1994?

What happened in 1995?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Club, not sure what train you are on re: salary cap the first year Mick arrived. Sticks himself has said the club has been hamstrung with contracts and the cap. And you conveniently ignore that fact that anyone under contract must be traded. You can't simply bash away at a keyboard demanding that players get turned over if another club isn't willing to offer you anything (hello Bootsma last year).

If you don't like Malthouse as coach, that's fine. But don't hold him accountable for stuff ups the fabled list management committee made prior to him being at the club.

Anything from last year onwards, fair game. eg Bootsma getting two years, Watson etc. But prior to the end of the 2012 season, not his issue.


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This year we put a few players up for trade.
Eddie was used to release salary cap pressure and bring in Thomas.
Losing Eddie was a mistake... how old is he now? 34 or something? Still our best forward and most creative and defensive.
Id rather we lost Waite...

31 injury prone... terrible example.. and lacks any team and work ethic

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:58 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
bax wrote:
I heard somewhere that MM was so confident of beating Melbourne that he had no hesitation in dropping Garlett and Waite as a statement. Waite was leading contested mark in league up to round three. This week the papers say that MM will abandon his ultra defensive game plan and let the players play with some flair. MM just changes his mind every week doesn't he.

MM lost me last year when he played Kruezer, Hampson and Warnock against the Saints when we'd been down this path before and it never worked. I didn't go to that game because of the team selections and I knew we would lose, which we did. If I could see this why couldn't super duper MM see it, or the match committee? Against Melbourne, I see Wiley and Malthouse on the boundary line when things are going pear shaped, they looked like dads army.

The worst thing for me is MM is Collinwgood, Thomas is Collingwood but I now see them in Navy Blue. In appointing MM we took short term positive brand exposure to what now looks like long term brand damage, that was the risk in getting MM and now we are a laughing stock. Don't care what anyone says about MM changing the place around, he's had 18 months and has done nothing, players are going backwards. What will happen if we are 0-7?

If MM is going to stick around that is the clubs decision, I started voting with my feet last year and I've only gone to one game this year when I could have gone to all of them. I've supported them through thick and thin, gave the club money in their time of crisis and I've been rewarded with shit recruiting both on and off the ground.


bax....
totally not true... he didnt drop them because of that... he dropped them to make a statement about their preparation...
not only is waite a lazy trainer but he is a prime example of what not to do for anybody coming through... thats why waite was dropped
garlett was dropped because he is lazy .. hes not taking in instruction and in case u havent noticed.. neither of these two have been effective this year regardless of who we played.
AND.....

we have had long term brand damage way before malthouse came..ridiculous argument .....but you have every right to not give the club any money... just stop feeding the chooks

club... i dunno what youre talking about....
i dont think u do too....


No not ridiculous, the brand was recovering, we were making Finals, crowds were up, membership was up, there was hope. Then Pick 11 For Brock Mclean, 12 for Lucas, 18 For Watson, 22 for Bootsma... Then 2012 happens, then the saviour MM...... Now the brand gets damaged again and it's worse this time round.

Answer this for me, what happens if we are 0-7 or get to 0-8, at what point does the coach take responsibility?


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actually we finished tenth before mm came... thats why he came remember???
can i ask u a question?
who are our young guns pushing through....

i know people say we essentially have the same list since 2011 except eddie... but thats the point isnt it?
its essentially the same players with nothing pushing through of any note

and bax... youre dreaming if you think we just happened to land here in the last 12 months..

the time we wasted under ratten and sticks was a golden opportunity... we didnt build upon it the way we should have

so were here

.. arent we????

its not a year in isolation....

its the collection of the last 7 or 8 years

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:20 pm 
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People need to stop referring to 2011 as if it was some great achievement. That team at it's peak was only ever good enough to finish 5th.

If my memory serves me correctly we never beat a top 4 team in 2011, so whether we were 3 points away from a preliminary final or not is largely irrelevant, we weren't capable of mixing it with the top sides anyway. If we made the grand final we would have been exposed big time and most likely have been beaten by a massive margin.


Where is the talent that was being developed at that time to step up and take the team higher than a 5th finish? There wasn't any and that's where our problems lie. We were relying on the same few players who were then at their peak to carry the rest. Three years later they can't.


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Synbad wrote:
This year we put a few players up for trade.
Eddie was used to release salary cap pressure and bring in Thomas.
Losing Eddie was a mistake... how old is he now? 34 or something? Still our best forward and most creative and defensive.
Id rather we lost Waite...

31 injury prone... terrible example.. and lacks any team and work ethic



We've put a few up for trade each of the last couple of years and got very little in the way of nibbles. What does that tell you?

That's not to say we couldn't have traded, if for example we wanted to accept a 2nd rounder for Yarran etc.

Re Betts - I think they looked at Garlett, Yarran and Menzel and thought - losing Betts might sting but it's a spot we at least have options for. When they look at what Daisy is intended to provide, we don't really have anyone of his nature of skill set on the list.


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