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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:52 pm 
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In my opinion, change needs to occur within the board. And while I am an advocate of a complete board spill and a new direction, we need to be mindful of the financial reliance we currently have on both the Pratts and the Mathiesons.

Until that can be addressed we need to be careful with what we wish for.


thats a myth

The Carlton brand is worth more than the current sponsors provide.

It will survive in a different way afterwards.

Can you imagine the Pratts and Mathesons pulling their support for the club if they are not re-elected?

What are they doing there in the first place if they link their board positions with sponsorship etc? (they wont anyway because they benefit from the relationship more than the club does)

The Blues has a 23 million dollar debt when Elliott was booted out at the end of 2002. At the time our revenue was about 20 million dollars per year.

We now have a debt of 6 million dollars and a revenue of about 46 million dollars per year (almost 10 million coming from gaming, 10 million from memberships, 9 million from the AFL and 13 million from sponsors+)

So our debt has decreased from 23 million to 6 million in about 11 years. Thats a retirement of debt of about 2 million dollars per year.

Its a myth to believe that these Oligarchs are pouring in funds from their own pockets to keep the club afloat. Thats what they want you to believe....that they are saviors and that the members cant live without them...

I can assure you the Oligarchs on the board have benefited far more from the club than the other way around....They use this club as a corporate play toy...even though they may like supporting the blues.

So do the members and they contribute about 22% of the total club revenue each year. And buy most of the merchandise and attend functions etc////



A myth? It's how Carlton has done business for decades! It's why we are in the position we are now!

- Where do you think the $10M+ in pokie revenue comes from?
- How do you think we got to 50,000 members last year, with 5,000 of late sales coming at the end of June?
- Who paid for Judd's environmental role at Visy?

Would Jeannie pull out? probably not. She may not have been the greatest board director/VP, but she does love the club, make no mistake. Germinder? Not so sure! Same with Mathieson - and from what I know, he can be a vindictive SOB if he doesn't get what he wants. It's all about them - that's what you said wasn't it?

So you tell me, if they did pull out of the club, where are we going to find 20% more revenue - in a year! More importantly, where are we going to cut costs by 20% to cover that loss? The football department perhaps? :hitcomputer:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:00 pm 
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azza? wrote:
I was talking to my wife about this actually after I came home from the Melbourne debacle and she said Collingwood was run the same way in the 90s (She's a feral supporter unfortunately) until Eddie McGuire was voted in by the members and really shook up the place. Got rid of alot of the oligarchic rule and boys club mentality they had with regards to the football club.


And created his own boys' club mentality.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:38 pm 
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azza? wrote:
I was talking to my wife about this actually after I came home from the Melbourne debacle and she said Collingwood was run the same way in the 90s (She's a feral supporter unfortunately) until Eddie McGuire was voted in by the members and really shook up the place. Got rid of alot of the oligarchic rule and boys club mentality they had with regards to the football club.


And created his own boys' club mentality.



oh really?

they have been in 4 gfs and won a flag .. quite a few prelims.
hes been smart most of the time in the types of people he has employed...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:57 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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azza? wrote:
I was talking to my wife about this actually after I came home from the Melbourne debacle and she said Collingwood was run the same way in the 90s (She's a feral supporter unfortunately) until Eddie McGuire was voted in by the members and really shook up the place. Got rid of alot of the oligarchic rule and boys club mentality they had with regards to the football club.


And created his own boys' club mentality.



oh really?

they have been in 4 gfs and won a flag .. quite a few prelims.
hes been smart most of the time in the types of people he has employed...


Who was coach?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:13 pm 
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Laguna wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Laguna wrote:
In my opinion, change needs to occur within the board. And while I am an advocate of a complete board spill and a new direction, we need to be mindful of the financial reliance we currently have on both the Pratts and the Mathiesons.

Until that can be addressed we need to be careful with what we wish for.


thats a myth

The Carlton brand is worth more than the current sponsors provide.

It will survive in a different way afterwards.

Can you imagine the Pratts and Mathesons pulling their support for the club if they are not re-elected?

What are they doing there in the first place if they link their board positions with sponsorship etc? (they wont anyway because they benefit from the relationship more than the club does)

The Blues has a 23 million dollar debt when Elliott was booted out at the end of 2002. At the time our revenue was about 20 million dollars per year.

We now have a debt of 6 million dollars and a revenue of about 46 million dollars per year (almost 10 million coming from gaming, 10 million from memberships, 9 million from the AFL and 13 million from sponsors+)

So our debt has decreased from 23 million to 6 million in about 11 years. Thats a retirement of debt of about 2 million dollars per year.

Its a myth to believe that these Oligarchs are pouring in funds from their own pockets to keep the club afloat. Thats what they want you to believe....that they are saviors and that the members cant live without them...

I can assure you the Oligarchs on the board have benefited far more from the club than the other way around....They use this club as a corporate play toy...even though they may like supporting the blues.

So do the members and they contribute about 22% of the total club revenue each year. And buy most of the merchandise and attend functions etc////



A myth? It's how Carlton has done business for decades! It's why we are in the position we are now!

- Where do you think the $10M+ in pokie revenue comes from?
- How do you think we got to 50,000 members last year, with 5,000 of late sales coming at the end of June?
- Who paid for Judd's environmental role at Visy?

Would Jeannie pull out? probably not. She may not have been the greatest board director/VP, but she does love the club, make no mistake. Germinder? Not so sure! Same with Mathieson - and from what I know, he can be a vindictive SOB if he doesn't get what he wants. It's all about them - that's what you said wasn't it?

So you tell me, if they did pull out of the club, where are we going to find 20% more revenue - in a year! More importantly, where are we going to cut costs by 20% to cover that loss? The football department perhaps? :hitcomputer:


Visy gained more from the Judd junkett than Judd did...

and its tax deductible - brilliant! Youre not sugegsting that Judd came to the Blues because of the junket Visy perk deal are you? Wasn't the 1 million dollar club deal an the captaincy enough for the melbourne returning Judd???

THe 10 million dollars pokie revenue comes from the suckers who sit there and push coins in.

Every cent these Oligarchs put in they get much more back. (technically money from their commercial interests which is tax deductible and is invariable part of their company's marketing and/or advertising budget)

The gaming revenue comes from the venues that Matheison (Bruce) allows the CFC to run. He makes his money from the rent. the blues takes the profits for running the venues. We dont own the machine licenses nor the venue. he can farm them out to anyone he likes, or put out a tender. He has over 500 venues all around Australia.

So why has it taken almost 12 years to reduce the clubs debt from 23 million (2003) to 6 million (2013)? its going in the right direction, at least, and its serviceable at the moment (currently about 14% of revenue, compared to about 55% of revenue in 2003)

Sponsorships for sporting clubs, especially for the top clubs are fought over by the corporations....As long as you dont stuff up big time like have ASADA at your door, or keep losing, a big club like carlton wont have trouble attracting sponsorship deals.

We should be targeting 100,000 members to join up.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:08 am 
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We have at least 7 years of misery ahead of us.

Here is the last "Stick Fat" campaign
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stick-fat.328649/

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:48 am 
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I don't understand people's negativity against McKay. The guy has been in the job for 2 years, if that and has come over very well-credentialed. At the very least we need to give him a chance.


I think he's run out of credits.
Big time.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:05 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
We have at least 7 years of misery ahead of us.

Here is the last "Stick Fat" campaign
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stick-fat.328649/



The YCP think tank is on the job - never fear!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:38 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Clayman wrote:
We have at least 7 years of misery ahead of us.

Here is the last "Stick Fat" campaign
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stick-fat.328649/



The YCP think tank is on the job - never fear!


They might be - and they must feel good knowing they are being proactive and hoping to make a difference.

There are two types of people in this world, one is a leader and the other is a follower - which one are you?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:41 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Clayman wrote:
We have at least 7 years of misery ahead of us.

Here is the last "Stick Fat" campaign
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stick-fat.328649/



The YCP think tank is on the job - never fear!


They might be - and they must feel good knowing they are being proactive and hoping to make a difference.

There are two types of people in this world, one is a leader and the other is a follower - which one are you?



Who are they leading and how?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:54 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Clayman wrote:
We have at least 7 years of misery ahead of us.

Here is the last "Stick Fat" campaign
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stick-fat.328649/



The YCP think tank is on the job - never fear!


They might be - and they must feel good knowing they are being proactive and hoping to make a difference.

There are two types of people in this world, one is a leader and the other is a follower - which one are you?


neither

I like to question things that are put before me. Have you ever tried that before? Or are you waiting for a leader (corporate tyrant) to show you where to walk and how fast?

Your simplistic analysis of the Universe as we know it, into two categories "leaders" and "followers" says a lot about you as a person does it not?

When do leaders become tyrants? When do they inspire?

When do followers become slaves? When are they the grass roots pillars of change?

I wonder if the YCP discuss these issues?

or are there other criteria limitations as to WHAT can be discussed in their semi-secretive meetings?

I may need to SUBMIT an IDEA on their web site for them to consider!

( we all know what happens to men of clay when it rains with truth don't we ladies and gentlemen)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:02 pm 
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Andy Maher mentioned on SEN this morning that he keeps hearing Mike Fitzpatricks name as replacement for Sticks as President.
As much as id love Fitzy, don't see it happening.
Would be the absolute perfect replacement though.
Not aligned to either the Pratts or Mathiesons
Knows the AFL inside out.
Still bleeds Navy Blue
Business savvy and well respected

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:07 pm 
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cretylus stop being logical.... most people arent trained to think logically

ok sycophants, collaborators and vassals are leaders!

seriously for these people to earn their leadership stripes the must learn to smoke... and smoke real good....massage egos and learn to jump when theyre told to


i personally know heaps of people who have had their services chewed up and spat out by our club.
positions official and unofficial.
but the difference is this is a kindergarden for up and coming leaders of this club sanctioned officially.

yes i know they all mean well.... but their elitist ideology is no place for a football club on the decline...
they are basically there for themselves and to please their masters.

most wouldnt have even driven to coburg....

big world out there...

and no thats not leadership...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:18 pm 
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Andy Maher. Enough said.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:50 pm 
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Andy Maher. nuff nuff said.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:37 am 
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http://www.theage.com.au/business/austr ... 36urq.html

But of course Fahour isn't president material.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:51 am 
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The funny thing re Fahour is some people say that he is no good.. and others ,who have no clue ,believe it......
But Sticks being president.. well.. u can put lipstick on a pig and most Carlton people will kiss it....

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:14 am 
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club29 wrote:
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Pinter but we sacked two recruiters and have yet to replace them.
surely thats planning.... in a season where we have come to terms with what we are... we havent replaced recruiters as yet.
When was the Geelong guy severed?
and how long has it been since they would have known Hughes isnt the future?

Nothing about this club is planned and organised.

Its a hotch potch of half baked stuff....

can you smell what were cooking????


Hey Synbad - the recruiters have been appointed. Glenn Elliott and Dale Harris. Both have been working with the club for the past several years part time. For anyone older than my vintage - not the same Glenn Elliott who played footy with Melbourne.

Dale has experience many years ago assisting with Tassie U18 team back when the Crows National Recruiting Manager Hamish Ogilvie coached the team. Has been in the industry a long time. Glenn worked for the Bushfire Cooperative Research Centre so if the place is torched - we have someone who'll know what to do.





ok i must have missed that...

no huge announcements in the paper like last time..

hope they can help...

thanks!!


I think these posts are a timely reminder that we should not believe every little thing we read on this forum.
Some smell blood and are going for the jugular. Points get brought up that are wrong or don't really matter designed to feed egos or agendas.

Who could forget the fuss made over a coach eating lollies or cheering goals or quoting stats in pressers? These were reasons to get rid of a coach in favour the cool calm Mick Malthouse who would never quote a stat in a presser.

We should all be sensible and work towards the best outcome based on real facts.





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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:16 am 
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Andy Muuuuuugh. nuff said.

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