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 Post subject: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:03 pm 
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Also you hate him.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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dane wrote:
Also you hate him.


I don't hate him at all...but I don't rate him either. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:10 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
dane wrote:
Also you hate him.


I don't hate him at all...but I don't rate him either. :wink:


Exactly. Always amazed at comments of someone "Hates" a player.

As for Jamison, I personally don't rate him at all. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:41 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
dane wrote:
Also you hate him.


I don't hate him at all...but I don't rate him either. :wink:


Exactly. Always amazed at comments of someone "Hates" a player.

As for Jamison, I personally don't rate him at all. :wink:


Who cares? Say it enough times and someone may listen.........then what?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:51 pm 
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Best 22? Much too early but 16 of 22 can be penciled in already.

Simspon Jamison McInnes
Tuohy Henderson Docherty

Warnock Curnow Murphy
Thomas McLean Gibbs

Menzel Waite Robinson
Garlett Walker Kreuzer

Yarran Carrazzo Everitt Bell


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:57 pm 
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harker wrote:
Best 22? Much too early but 16 of 22 can be penciled in already.

Simspon Jamison McInnes
Tuohy Henderson Docherty

Warnock Curnow Murphy
Thomas McLean Gibbs

Menzel Waite Robinson
Garlett Walker Kreuzer

Yarran Carrazzo Everitt Bell


You don't think you could sneak Judd in, if you extended it to a best 23. :wink: :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:04 pm 
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AGRO wrote:

You don't think you could sneak Judd in, if you extended it to a best 23. :wink: :razz:


Freudian slip, I'm sorry to say. :oops:

I was thinking that Judd may just retire this year but that wasn't to be.

Wouldn't be surprised for him to sit out some games next year as may be the case with Scotland and Carrazzo. Small steps.
They may be better mentors than players but I'll enjoy being wrong there also should they have great years.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:04 pm 
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after the draft,
simpson jamison tuohy
docherty tippett walker
yarran gibbs waite
menzel henderson thomas
everitt thorp garlett
kreuzer judd murphy
I/C; anyone from; carrazzo bell
graham armfield lucas warnock
robinson scotland curnow mclean
still not sure on,
ellard, white, casboult, cachia, duigan,
mcinnes, bootsma, temay, rowe, watson or buckley...
pick 13, hoping for lennon or freeman.
pick 39, hourigan, lang or sicily.
pick 51, mitch thorp.
rookie picks, joel tippett, fraser fort, chris cain and heppell.
thorp and tippett can have an impact straight away.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:05 pm 
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B: Temay White McInnes
HB: Everitt Waite Docherty
C: Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF: Walker Henderson Tuohy
F: Menzel Watson Graham
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo McLean Rowe/Casboult (Scotland)
Close: Pick 13, Ellard, Garlett, Bell, Lucas, Yarran

I think MM is trying to build as side based on flexibility & run.
Mids across the ground that can rotate.
Everitt, Walker, Waite, White, Watson & Henderson can all play either end of the ground.
Have real trouble seeing both Warnock & Kruezer in same side unless they can improve fwd play. Although I'm not convinced on Rowe or Casboult either.
I hope Pick 13 can step straight in and make a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:50 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Temay White McInnes
HB: Everitt Waite Docherty
C: Simpson McLean Thomas
HF: Walker Henderson Tuohy
F: Menzel Watson Graham
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo McLean Rowe/Casboult (Scotland)
Close: Pick 13, Ellard, Garlett, Bell, Lucas, Yarran

I think MM is trying to build as side based on flexibility & run.
Mids across the ground that can rotate.
Everitt, Walker, Waite, White, Watson & Henderson can all play either end of the ground.
Have real trouble seeing both Warnock & Kruezer in same side unless they can improve fwd play. Although I'm not convinced on Rowe or Casboult either.
I hope Pick 13 can step straight in and make a difference.


I agree about Graham but White and Waite as our key backs? The opposition forwards would be licking their lips. Once again Waite showed this year that he can't defend and as much as Jamison makes errors, he's still significantly better than White IMO.
I think we're better off planning without Waite and any games he plays as a floating forward are a bonus. I still think Jamo and Watson should be given first crack as key defensive options.

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Jamo & Hendo shld get first crack at Kpd spots


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:22 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Jamo & Hendo shld get first crack at Kpd spots


Only if we can clone Hendo. I think we need him up forward even more than we do down back - but then that might change after the drafts!


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:52 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Temay White McInnes
HB: Everitt Waite Docherty
C: Simpson McLean Thomas
HF: Walker Henderson Tuohy
F: Menzel Watson Graham
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo McLean Rowe/Casboult (Scotland)
Close: Pick 13, Ellard, Garlett, Bell, Lucas, Yarran

I think MM is trying to build as side based on flexibility & run.
Mids across the ground that can rotate.
Everitt, Walker, Waite, White, Watson & Henderson can all play either end of the ground.
Have real trouble seeing both Warnock & Kruezer in same side unless they can improve fwd play. Although I'm not convinced on Rowe or Casboult either.
I hope Pick 13 can step straight in and make a difference.


I agree about Graham but White and Waite as our key backs? The opposition forwards would be licking their lips.


Not to mention the small forwards who get to play on Temay. You keep putting him in your team, Psych, but he struggled to get a game at VFL level last year.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:39 pm 
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Have to find players to put in instead of gartlett and yarran

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:14 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Temay White McInnes
HB: Everitt Waite Docherty
C: Simpson McLean Thomas
HF: Walker Henderson Tuohy
F: Menzel Watson Graham
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo McLean Rowe/Casboult (Scotland)
Close: Pick 13, Ellard, Garlett, Bell, Lucas, Yarran

I think MM is trying to build as side based on flexibility & run.
Mids across the ground that can rotate.
Everitt, Walker, Waite, White, Watson & Henderson can all play either end of the ground.
Have real trouble seeing both Warnock & Kruezer in same side unless they can improve fwd play. Although I'm not convinced on Rowe or Casboult either.
I hope Pick 13 can step straight in and make a difference.


I agree about Graham but White and Waite as our key backs? The opposition forwards would be licking their lips.


Not to mention the small forwards who get to play on Temay. You keep putting him in your team, Psych, but he struggled to get a game at VFL level last year.


Does that mean he is no good? The kid was in his first year with a poor pre season. He was deliberately held back last season. He is now fit and looking forward to a full pre season. I believe his best position is as a small defender and its a role we struggle with. He's on our list and worth a go. The more that step up the better.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:33 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Temay White McInnes
HB: Everitt Waite Docherty
C: Simpson McLean Thomas
HF: Walker Henderson Tuohy
F: Menzel Watson Graham
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo McLean Rowe/Casboult (Scotland)
Close: Pick 13, Ellard, Garlett, Bell, Lucas, Yarran

I think MM is trying to build as side based on flexibility & run.
Mids across the ground that can rotate.
Everitt, Walker, Waite, White, Watson & Henderson can all play either end of the ground.
Have real trouble seeing both Warnock & Kruezer in same side unless they can improve fwd play. Although I'm not convinced on Rowe or Casboult either.
I hope Pick 13 can step straight in and make a difference.


I'd swap one of the Mclean's for Gibbs..... :wink:

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Rexy wrote:
Jamo & Hendo shld get first crack at Kpd spots


..agree about Jamo, currently he is still our best option for FB.. ..though perhaps Everitt might be the smokey on our list now to offer an alternative option to Jamo at FB.. ..otherwise i don't see any other player on our list to push Jamo out [besides himself {injuries}]..

....as for Hendo, he's so far in front for our best KPP player it's not funny [sad actually].. ..not to mean he's no good, he's very good.. ..very very good, but too alone in that group of up and coming kpps.. .... ..i think he must play as a KPF, provides great structure and leadership up fwd, gets on the scoreboard early in games [helps with scoreboard pressure when leading, and keeping us in the game when trailing].. ..hendo is good on the lead, good running back with the flight, good in a one on one contested situation.. ..he is a good set shot, good around the corner, good crumbing.. ..he is easily AA quality..

..in regards to other 'best 22' lists.. ..too many options i think, without proven games in regards to whether they play well with us.. ..i like Temay as our BP, good kid and i think has what it takes, but so far still potential until he plays a season for us in seniors, but could be the future answer to BP concerns.. ....

..not sure about Watson fwd, especially as a deep fwd cos i think he lacks the agility/take-off speed to get separation from a FB.. .... ..i think he is more a CHB material type, but if played fwd then a roaming CHF/HF sort.. ..i think he needs to play a roaming game, vs a lead-up target.. .... ..i think he can be more damaging as a rebounding CHB type if he gets used off the HB line because it's not just his booming kick, but more'so how accurate he is.. ..either to position or target, both long kicking and short kicking, he is very good.. [send him to a boxing ring and sprint training for pre-season]

..Docherty, he seems more a HBF sort yes?, will he provide competition for the BP role..?.. ..he looks better if allowed to play loose across HB at times, so not sure how he goes needing to play a tight accountable role on a dangerous small fwd..

..the ruck conundrum.. .... ..ideally 2 first rucks working in concert is the best, and if they can gain domination and ascendency in the ruck contests for most of the game, with smart midfield set-ups designed to take advantage!!, then i'm less concerned with how much ball they get outside the taps, if their ruck strength is unrelenting.. ..but to get this, i think we need a better/smarter HF line.. ..we need better F50 entries, cos neither ruck is a KPF type marking power.... ..so we need to kick the ball to their advantage, especially with Knocker's reach advantage [how hard can that be?]

..i think Rowe is an interesting player.... ..obviously was still recovering and struggling with fitness/repeat efforts this year.. ..but he does have some kpp smarts, most likely some natural ability but the games experience under his belt helps him a lot.. ..but he provides a good contest [while fitness lasts], sure hands and a reliable kicking action.. ..but he also knows how to work well with another KPF [something bolt struggles with and even waite isnt so good at].. ..but also like Bolt, Rowe isn't much of a chop-out in the ruck.. ..i'd like to play him as a kpp, vs a kpp + ruck..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:03 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
B: Temay White McInnes
HB: Everitt Waite Docherty
C: Simpson McLean Thomas
HF: Walker Henderson Tuohy
F: Menzel Watson Graham
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo McLean Rowe/Casboult (Scotland)
Close: Pick 13, Ellard, Garlett, Bell, Lucas, Yarran

I think MM is trying to build as side based on flexibility & run.
Mids across the ground that can rotate.
Everitt, Walker, Waite, White, Watson & Henderson can all play either end of the ground.
Have real trouble seeing both Warnock & Kruezer in same side unless they can improve fwd play. Although I'm not convinced on Rowe or Casboult either.
I hope Pick 13 can step straight in and make a difference.


I'd swap one of the Mclean's for Gibbs..... :wink:


:clap: Definitely. Surprised I wasn't accused of hating Gibbs. :wink:

I want to see Gibbs play mostly through the middle next year and some time up forward. With the additions of Docherty & Everitt that should happen. Hopefully Buttifant will add a bit of extra lean muscle to his frame as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:15 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I agree about Graham but White and Waite as our key backs? The opposition forwards would be licking their lips. Once again Waite showed this year that he can't defend and as much as Jamison makes errors, he's still significantly better than White IMO.
I think we're better off planning without Waite and any games he plays as a floating forward are a bonus. I still think Jamo and Watson should be given first crack as key defensive options.


IMO White is a much better one on one defender than Jamison. Late in 2012 when Jamo was injured White did some great jobs at FB. Just looked as though the role suited him. His body work and spoiling was top class.

Having a look at him yesterday he looked as though he had bulked up significantly?? If so, is he getting ready to play that role? The other bonus about White is he can also push forward when needed. He is a smart player. Unfortunately he struggles a bit when playing as a third tall or flanker. It's not his go. I liken him to Darren Glass. Same size etc. Imagine Glass on a HBF, he'd struggle as well. Sometimes it's just about a player finding the role the suits. I think FB is his.

2014 with Watson, Henderson, Waite, White, Everitt, Walker in the side it could all be about match ups. The days of them playing the same role week in week out are over. it could be a huge advantage for us.

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