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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:09 pm 
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After much prodding and nagging - the Board page of the website now looks something that resembles a professional outfit.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

The next step is some short Q&A's and perhaps some short video interviews about the various sub-committees and what they're working on. Without this level of transparency, supporters have no idea who is doing what and for what purpose. In today's society where newspapers are as guilty of creating stories from thin air as much as internet forums and twitter, it's important that the club continue to change the way they deliver content and more importantly, the type of content they deliver. After all - this is more than a football club. This is a business...


About time!

I fired off a complaint about this a while back too. The Q&A idea is good too. Greater engagement between punter and board would be welcomed by me.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:16 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Carlton's problem is a legal problem in it's constitution.

Allowing directors four(4)terms of 3 years promotes stagnation, atrophy and clubs within clubs.

Members need greater rights to spill the board and administration.

If Carlton is ever going to have a successful future we need a new constitution


It's something that will be continued to be looked at, but it's not the biggest problem. Members actually need better transparency to make a more informed choice. I recently sat on a sub-committee to make some changes to an organisations' constitution and you virtually need to do a swot analysis on all your rules. What we did do was have members vote on proposed changes but laid out the pro's and con's of what it would all mean well before the AGM.

Hawthorn, to their credit, have a 'Plebiscite to approve merger' guideline in their constitution, so a merge can only occur with 75% membership approval. It might seem like a big deal to Hawthorn people, but the club have done that merely to appease their supporters who are still a little worried a repeat of 1996 might happen.

But the reality is that the AFL is the major factor in this decision making process, as its constitution states that a merger requires AFL approval. A merger would also require approval from greater than one-third of the other clubs, as they maintained a veto right over mergers when handing administrative power over the independent AFL Commission back in the mid-eighties.

So not everything is as it seems with a constitution.

My change to our own constitution would be to have the clubs' board compromise of nine directors with each director serving a 3-year term before their position is put up for re-election at an AGM. Only one-third of the board would contest at each AGM due to the rolling structure of the terms of the directors. This structure safeguards the entire board from being ousted at a single AGM which I realise Mosquito Fleet might like - but it doesn't do anyone any good.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:31 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
After much prodding and nagging - the Board page of the website now looks something that resembles a professional outfit.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

The next step is some short Q&A's and perhaps some short video interviews about the various sub-committees and what they're working on. Without this level of transparency, supporters have no idea who is doing what and for what purpose. In today's society where newspapers are as guilty of creating stories from thin air as much as internet forums and twitter, it's important that the club continue to change the way they deliver content and more importantly, the type of content they deliver. After all - this is more than a football club. This is a business...


About time!

I fired off a complaint about this a while back too. The Q&A idea is good too. Greater engagement between punter and board would be welcomed by me.


And me...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:57 pm 
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I know for a few years some of you have had great expectations about Carlton under Sticks and Ratts etc...












































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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:48 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Carlton's problem is a legal problem in it's constitution.

Allowing directors four(4)terms of 3 years promotes stagnation, atrophy and clubs within clubs.

Members need greater rights to spill the board and administration.

If Carlton is ever going to have a successful future we need a new constitution


It's something that will be continued to be looked at, but it's not the biggest problem. Members actually need better transparency to make a more informed choice. I recently sat on a sub-committee to make some changes to an organisations' constitution and you virtually need to do a swot analysis on all your rules. What we did do was have members vote on proposed changes but laid out the pro's and con's of what it would all mean well before the AGM.

Hawthorn, to their credit, have a 'Plebiscite to approve merger' guideline in their constitution, so a merge can only occur with 75% membership approval. It might seem like a big deal to Hawthorn people, but the club have done that merely to appease their supporters who are still a little worried a repeat of 1996 might happen.

But the reality is that the AFL is the major factor in this decision making process, as its constitution states that a merger requires AFL approval. A merger would also require approval from greater than one-third of the other clubs, as they maintained a veto right over mergers when handing administrative power over the independent AFL Commission back in the mid-eighties.

So not everything is as it seems with a constitution.

My change to our own constitution would be to have the clubs' board compromise of nine directors with each director serving a 3-year term before their position is put up for re-election at an AGM. Only one-third of the board would contest at each AGM due to the rolling structure of the terms of the directors. This structure safeguards the entire board from being ousted at a single AGM which I realise Mosquito Fleet might like - but it doesn't do anyone any good.


There are an infinite number of ways to structure a Club Constitution. The recent amendments to the Carlton Constitution were just window dressing without dealing with the core problems of the Club. In fact, from my recollection of the reading of the amended Constitution has resulted in lesser rights for Members. The Constitution objectives does not consider or even acknowledge the existence of its Members and in fact is silent as to benefiting its Members. One possible option (of a plurality of options) is to fix the Board to 7 Directors at all times. Further, each Director could have specific functions and powers: Say for example, Football Director, AFL Stakeholder Director, Media Director, Finance Director, Membership Director, Coterie/Sponsor Director and Administration Director (for example). This provides clarity of function and responsibility to the Board and no interference by one Director over another Director on one issue for example. There has to be a power for Members to clean the entire Board in one sweep as this provides accountability to its Members. Carving off parts of the Board through a small number of annual director elections, when other parts stay like the half Senate elections in the Commonwealth Parliament is not really helpful. In fact, there can be a full Senate election, so why not a full Carlton Board election? The Club cannot have it both ways: if Members do not have rights to remove the Board, don't make them liable to pay $50 upon dissolution of the Club, but let the Directors who made the financial decisions in the first place to be personally responsible for that cost..


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:07 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs




An accurate summary of the Carlton board


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:37 am 
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keogh wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs




An accurate summary of the Carlton board

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:59 pm 
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Sam Edmund tweet:

Kernahan to get 1 more year as @CarltonFC president. Successor to be one of Ryan Trainor or Mark LoGuidice - both appointed VP's tonight.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:09 pm 
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Jeanne will also retain her Vice-Presidency but won't seek the Presidency. Good news re: Ryan Trainor - a very good operator. He'd be a good choice to take this club into the 21st century. Less excited by Mark LoGuidice.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:13 pm 
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Read the Facebook comments.

Wow.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:17 pm 
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Ryan Trainor is 40 and very successful. Ideal for the next generation.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:25 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Sam Edmund tweet:

Kernahan to get 1 more year as @CarltonFC president. Successor to be one of Ryan Trainor or Mark LoGuidice - both appointed VP's tonight.


Both outstanding and astute business men. Either would be a very good replacement as President.

Doc, why the doubts re loguidice? From what I know he's a good operator.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:29 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Read the Facebook comments.

Wow.


The great unwashed...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:34 pm 
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not much to get excited about....

those two arent taking the club anywhere special

the man that would....isnt on the board....

dont ask me who it is.. i wouldnt know.. but definitely not them

but good to see sticks stuck around as president of the birthday party

hes a man who has his priotities

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Given that the members are not aware of any succession plan or the criteria for board appointments, these results are a mystery.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:43 pm 
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So does Sticks stay on the Board after the 150th or is he stepping down altogether?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:49 pm 
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More than a little ironic that the same club that left Brad Fisher stranded on 99 games is giving its lame duck president another 12 months at the helm simply because it's a year long birthday bash.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:52 pm 
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I don't know either of the VP's personally so i can't judge their capabilities and i won't try to.
Their business records are impressive.
Trainor made his money in the training sector and is regarded as an expert in people management.
Surely that is the key criteria for the president.
Maybe i'm just glass half full.

I would hope these two take a leading hand in overseeing the operations of the club this year and leave Kernahan to oversee the 150th celebrations and fund raising.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:54 pm 
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a substantial downer from what was a respectable trade period outcome

deflated...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:56 pm 
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I would think the opportunity to raise money during the 150th celebrations would be enormous.
The "great unwashed" love him and hopefully that will assist in garnering funds from the rank and file.
The other board members can harass the corporates.

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