No, for practical purposes, we finished 6th. Intuition has NOTHING to do with it. It's all empirical and arithmetic. You look at the ladder, and you count the teams that finished above us. Hmmm, let's see, that's one, two, three, four, five...... oops, that's all...... there's Carlton. Woohoo, we finished sixth.

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I don't think he's counting how many games we won
Yes was a good result in the end.

We beat our bitches and got smashed by a broken down side who are finals made

What that tells me is what you can do if you're a good side.
We've never been finals made material.

It's been over a decade.

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We didn't win enough games during the season to make finals on merit.

So, when discussing list management, which is what we are doing, we should include the team disqualification wild-card factor in our evaluations - good luck with that.

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I assume we're getting the draft pick equivalent of finishing ninth then?

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Waite's situation reminds me too much of the Whitnall situation. Big and long contracts offered for little output.

At least Lance made All-Australian one year on the back of kicking 8 goals in 2000 against Brisbane (a quality team) and the like.

Waite has been given long and big contracts for what type of output?

He once got a 3rd placing in the best and fairest back in 2007 when Carlton's team was far worse than what it is now.

No doubt he is talented, no doubt he is skilled etc, no doubt he kicked a couple of good goals against Richmond in the final - but does that add up to a 1.3 million dollar contract? I agree with Synbad - a better understanding of how to negotiate contracts is needed otherwise Carlton will be hampered when they want to recruit good players in trades.

I hope Waite has a big year next year- that would be fantastic, but based on his output to date Carlton (as with the Whitnall situation...again another key forward) have been done over pretty comprehensively.

So Waite got a $1.3m contract?
That's approx 433k a year, and about 217k included in the salary cap. Don't know what world you're living in, but in AFL in this decade, that's not a big or long contract.

Especially for a player of Waite's position and ability.

Well, you can't have it both ways. Either Essendon* didn't cheat, is a better team than us and we finished ninth..... OR they're a bunch of cheating bottom feeding scumsters, and their "finishing sixth" or whatever it was, is completely wrong, corrupt, flawed. If it's the second, then they ABSOLUTELY did NOT finish in the top eight, and we did! In that case, after we beat Richmond, and lost to Sydney, we finished sixth.

I agree with you that it doesn't work to overestimate our list. I do agree that it's completely unbalanced, doesn't contain enough great players, and is full of the results of 5-10-15 years of bad decision making.

HOWEVER..... it also doesn't work to UNDERestimate it. Underestimating a list leads you to make equally flawed decisions. As they say in the classics..... it is what it is - neither better nor worse. Start from there, and make decisions accordingly.

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Lions want pick 28 (hampson pick) for docherty.
Blues want to give them pick 29 our second rounder.
Rapt to get him for pick 28.

I reckon next time we're looking for new recruiting staff Chris Pelchin would be worth ago. His media persona whilst at Hawthorn gave me the impression of a total a-hole that no one wants to deal with, however ...

I like the way he obviously tries to build a list aimed at peaking for a specific premiership window. He did it at Port and Hawthorn and has started doing it at St Kilda. (the ruckmen for Savage and a first rounder will benefit the Saints in 4-5 years which is their best hope for being good again). I'd like to see Carlton more obviously adopt this approach.

Incidentally, so I reckon we're doing very well with our trades so far this year, but geez I would have retracted that opinion if we had of picked up Chapman, Pods .. etc.

An extension given for 3 years at the time when he was out with an injured knee...quality list management I say...

You build a list that can be AFL finals ready.
A list that can break into the top four and give it a shake.

We haven't
So our football dept has failed is task.
There are no excuses
It's the only measure.

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EFA.

If he's still there.

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You do realise the trade period is still going?

Also trades? We have done one trade.

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Blues have agreed with Bootsma to part ways if a suitable trade can be arranged to West Coast. If not, he'll stay - AFL.com

I would love to know what the story with him is. Really strange that he re-signed only a couple of months ago.

You do realise the trade period is still going?
... urr ... that's why I said "so far".

Also trades? We have done one trade

Yep - fair criticism. I was really thinking of the overall list changes rather than specifically trades.

Mick has made it clear that he thinks small forwards who can't rotate through the midfield are old news, so paying overs for Eddie would've been a fail.
Maintaining three #1 ruckmen was wasting a place on our list. #28 for Hampson is a win.
Thomas ... if fit will be a good acquisition. Juries out 'till he plays I reckon.
I'm not one who likes to see us trade away our draft picks, so not much activity is a win in my book.

Stop Press : Bootsma!! WFT?? So much for trying to instill a bit of club passion into the young man. The way it reads is that we don't have anyone specific we want, he's just being shopped around.

Adelaide's the anti-Carlton.

They only trade for players who didn't play one good game against them.

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You've been watching Carlton play over the last five years and you still don't understand why a decent key forward is more important to the structure of a team than a great small forward?

Seriously??

P.S: I'm not saying that Casboult or Rowe are decent key forwards at the minute.

28 or 29, who cares? Small price to pay for a kid who has "Triple Brownlow Medallist" written all over him

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