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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:57 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Just an update with the ever changing environment.

2014 could look like??

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Walker Watson Simpson

Foll: Kruezer Gibbs Murphy
C: Tuohy McLean Thomas

HF: Menzel Henderson Graham
F: Judd Waite Staker

Int from: Warnock Carrazzo Pick 12 Cross Bootsma Bell

Maybe Hallahan, Lambert?

It's okay but some real class and depth is required.


I'm curious. What have you seen in Temay so far that makes you think he's going to be in our best side next year?


My reasoning for it is that he fills a spot we struggle with. I also spoke with his U/18 coach during the year who was adamant that if he is to make it in the AFL that is his spot. Doesn't see him as a pure midfielder unless locking down on someone.

Am I sure he's in our best side? No, but if he can fill that spot it will be very helpful.


Second round pick on a small, one-paced back pocket / tagger who isn't a ball magnet and lacks any exceptional skills other than endurance?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:21 pm 
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aramari wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Just an update with the ever changing environment.

2014 could look like??

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Walker Watson Simpson

Foll: Kruezer Gibbs Murphy
C: Tuohy McLean Thomas

HF: Menzel Henderson Graham
F: Judd Waite Staker

Int from: Warnock Carrazzo Pick 12 Cross Bootsma Bell

Maybe Hallahan, Lambert?

It's okay but some real class and depth is required.


I'm curious. What have you seen in Temay so far that makes you think he's going to be in our best side next year?


My reasoning for it is that he fills a spot we struggle with. I also spoke with his U/18 coach during the year who was adamant that if he is to make it in the AFL that is his spot. Doesn't see him as a pure midfielder unless locking down on someone.

Am I sure he's in our best side? No, but if he can fill that spot it will be very helpful.


Second round pick on a small, one-paced back pocket / tagger who isn't a ball magnet and lacks any exceptional skills other than endurance?


I know. When you think of the names selected after, including Nick Graham you have to wonder.

Coach I talked to said they had hoped he would go late or as a rookie.

Just another example of how inadequate and pathetic our recruiting department is.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:52 am 
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aramari wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Just an update with the ever changing environment.

2014 could look like??

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Walker Watson Simpson

Foll: Kruezer Gibbs Murphy
C: Tuohy McLean Thomas

HF: Menzel Henderson Graham
F: Judd Waite Staker

Int from: Warnock Carrazzo Pick 12 Cross Bootsma Bell

Maybe Hallahan, Lambert?

It's okay but some real class and depth is required.


I'm curious. What have you seen in Temay so far that makes you think he's going to be in our best side next year?


My reasoning for it is that he fills a spot we struggle with. I also spoke with his U/18 coach during the year who was adamant that if he is to make it in the AFL that is his spot. Doesn't see him as a pure midfielder unless locking down on someone.

Am I sure he's in our best side? No, but if he can fill that spot it will be very helpful.


Second round pick on a small, one-paced back pocket / tagger who isn't a ball magnet and lacks any exceptional skills other than endurance?

Hopefully Temay proves us wrong....


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:33 am 
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Andain wrote:
aramari wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Just an update with the ever changing environment.

2014 could look like??

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Walker Watson Simpson

Foll: Kruezer Gibbs Murphy
C: Tuohy McLean Thomas

HF: Menzel Henderson Graham
F: Judd Waite Staker

Int from: Warnock Carrazzo Pick 12 Cross Bootsma Bell

Maybe Hallahan, Lambert?

It's okay but some real class and depth is required.


I'm curious. What have you seen in Temay so far that makes you think he's going to be in our best side next year?


My reasoning for it is that he fills a spot we struggle with. I also spoke with his U/18 coach during the year who was adamant that if he is to make it in the AFL that is his spot. Doesn't see him as a pure midfielder unless locking down on someone.

Am I sure he's in our best side? No, but if he can fill that spot it will be very helpful.


Second round pick on a small, one-paced back pocket / tagger who isn't a ball magnet and lacks any exceptional skills other than endurance?

Hopefully Temay proves us wrong....


History will probably tell us otherwise
We don't learn from the past

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:42 pm 
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Assuming we have Betts out and Thomas in:

McInnes Jamison Tuohy
Simpson Watson Yarran
Thomas Judd Walker
Murphy Waite Menzel
Casboult Henderson Garlett
Kreuzer Gibbs Bell
Robinson Curnow McLean Carrazzo

Would like to see Graham, Temay, pick 12, Bootsma all bashing the door down as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:41 pm 
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Couldn't help myself. :wink:

Carlton 2014.

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Yarran Watson Docherty
C: Thomas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Chapman Henderson Judd
F: Walker Waite Menzel
Foll: Warnock McLean Murphy
Int from: Tuohy Salem Graham Carrazzo Kruezer Cross Curnow

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:25 pm 
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Did we get a good trade for J. Garlett?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:34 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Couldn't help myself. :wink:

Carlton 2014.

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Yarran Watson Docherty
C: Thomas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Chapman Henderson Judd
F: Walker Waite Menzel
Foll: Warnock McLean Murphy
Int from: Tuohy Salem Graham Carrazzo Kruezer Cross Curnow


You love this stuff don't you........................me too. :smile:

Simpson Jamison McInnes
Tuohy Watson Docherty
Thomas Mclean Gibbs
Walker Henderson Judd
Garlett Waite Menzel
Warnock Curnow Murphy
Carrazzo Kreuzer Robinson Graham

Somewhat confident that Menzel & Graham will work themselves into the opening game.
Don't like messing with the backline too much but if Docherty is good to go then Walker goes forward.
No first year players will be in the opening team. CHB is the only post that looks somewhat uncertain to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:22 pm 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Couldn't help myself. :wink:

Carlton 2014.

B: Temay Jamison McInnes
HB: Yarran Watson Docherty
C: Thomas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Chapman Henderson Judd
F: Walker Waite Menzel
Foll: Warnock McLean Murphy
Int from: Tuohy Salem Graham Carrazzo Kruezer Cross Curnow


You love this stuff don't you........................me too. :smile:

Simpson Jamison McInnes
Tuohy Watson Docherty
Thomas Mclean Gibbs
Walker Henderson Judd
Garlett Waite Menzel
Warnock Curnow Murphy
Carrazzo Kreuzer Robinson Graham

Somewhat confident that Menzel & Graham will work themselves into the opening game.
Don't like messing with the backline too much but if Docherty is good to go then Walker goes forward.
No first year players will be in the opening team. CHB is the only post that looks somewhat uncertain to me.


I love it boys.

I notice pick 12 and pick 28 do not make the difference....some posters aren't going to like it.
I like it because it looks like 2014 to me.

Not convinced with Temay.
I expect White to hold the BP ahead of McInnes or take CHB and Watson push McInnes out.

Judd HBF looks like a good way to create run from the bacline and releasing Tex forward

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:26 am 
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We are all fairly similar.

I put Simpson on a wing as I think he will play the Scotland role and drop back as the extra in defence.
I believe Temay can step up in a BP if given the chance.
Yarran will stay because there is no interest and if he is to play I believe it needs to be at HB. If not Walker goes back there or even Judd.
No Garlett unless he can help in the midfield. Rotations are our biggest weakness and we need run. With Menzel in the side we cannot carry anymore pure small forwards.
BB's right. CHB is a worry and I'm not convinced on Watson yet. Maybe White depending upon match up or Hendo back and Kruezer up forward with Walker & Waite?
I believe we will get Chapman and I think its a great move. Professionalism and development will be improved because of it and he is has the big body we need and can kick goals. Short term but helpful.
Pick 12 will either be Salem, Hartung or Bontempelli. I'd be happy with any of those three. GUNS and all different. Bontempelli is my preference for his size and run. Pick 28 or 29* could be good as well. One will go for Docherty.
Tuohy into middle.

Still need more midfield depth.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:45 am 
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harker wrote:
Simpson Jamison McInnes
Tuohy Watson Docherty
Thomas Mclean Gibbs
Walker Henderson Judd
Garlett Waite Menzel
Warnock Curnow Murphy
Carrazzo Kreuzer Robinson Graham

Somewhat confident that Menzel & Graham will work themselves into the opening game.
Don't like messing with the backline too much but if Docherty is good to go then Walker goes forward.
No first year players will be in the opening team. CHB is the only post that looks somewhat uncertain to me.

Nice looking team Harker. I'm reserving judgement on Docherty until 1) he's officially a Carlton player and 2) I've actually seen him play!

I think I could squeeze Yarran in too :wink:

Do you think Scotland will be on our list next year?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:58 am 
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Oh my, what a surprise! Armfield gone!


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:41 am 
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verbs wrote:
Oh my, what a surprise! Armfield gone!


Army may not be in the best 22, though he is in mine, but I can guarantee you that he'll be in the 22 pretty much every week he's available for selection.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:51 am 
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harker wrote:
Don't like messing with the backline too much but if Docherty is good to go then Walker goes forward.
No first year players will be in the opening team. CHB is the only post that looks somewhat uncertain to me.


I agree on the backline that MM worked on settling the back 6 but Docherty (**if we get him) in at 1st trial but 1AW needs to be moved onto a wing.
I'm hoping that Watto gained much needed confidence with his stint in the 1's before his foot injury and can make that his own from game 1. He appears to be a better player at the higher level and wasn't afraid to be the general out there. Confidence.
Makes for some decent disposal out of the HB line with Tuohy, Watson & Docherty** and solid contributors in McInnes and Simmo (Jamo strictly no blind bombs or torps, handpasses preferred please).

Would like Yazz on the wing as well and Jeffy & Menz will need to go through the rotations on the wing; Walker, Thomas, Gibbs, Murphy through the fwd line resting would add some match up issues and goal scoring power.

B 26. McInnes 40. Jamison 6. Simpson
HB 42. Tuohy 10. Watson S.Docherty
C 1. Walker 4. Gibbs D.Thomas
Foll 11. Warnock 5. Judd 3. Murphy
HF 13. Yarran 23. Henderson 2. Menzel
F 38. Garlett 30. Waite 8. Kreuzer

Rest 44. Carrazzo 32. Graham 9. Lucas 28. Bell
12. Robinson 14. McLean 35. Curnow 27. Armfield
37. Cachia (r) 43. White 21. Bootsma 17. Rowe
41. Casboult 46. Ellard 18. Temay 7. Buckley
34. Duigan 29. Scotland+
A lot of solid citizens in the rest but mostly average disposal and little X factor.

Will be interesting where the trade period ends up for some others on the list and if we can further transform our list.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:31 pm 
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Other than making necessary changes to improve the list - including midfielders and great disposers of the ball

..........surely a most important key to us having a chance or not in 2014 must depend - dare I say it - on Watson.

Looking at everyone's best 22, he continually gets a mention. Hasn't convinced me yet. However, no doubt a good CHB would be an enormous fillip for us and fixes our cHF dilemma.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:59 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Other than making necessary changes to improve the list - including midfielders and great disposers of the ball

..........surely a most important key to us having a chance or not in 2014 must depend - dare I say it - on Watson.

Looking at everyone's best 22, he continually gets a mention. Hasn't convinced me yet. However, no doubt a good CHB would be an enormous fillip for us and fixes our cHF dilemma.


We could use another KPD and KPF, we would have more options and potentially use Jamo as the loose defender.

If we can't trade for a CHF or Draft draft one we could get pods untill we find one. Would be interesting with Waite Henderson and Jpod, does this mean we play one ruck?.

Casboult would be handy if he could kick.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:08 pm 
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Rocky Henderson wrote:

Casboult would be handy if he could kick.


If he remains? Needs to build the tank as well. Enter Buttifant. He'll have some projects this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:11 pm 
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Rocky Henderson wrote:
london blue wrote:
Other than making necessary changes to improve the list - including midfielders and great disposers of the ball

..........surely a most important key to us having a chance or not in 2014 must depend - dare I say it - on Watson.

Looking at everyone's best 22, he continually gets a mention. Hasn't convinced me yet. However, no doubt a good CHB would be an enormous fillip for us and fixes our cHF dilemma.


We could use another KPD and KPF, we would have more options and potentially use Jamo as the loose defender.

If we can't trade for a CHF or Draft draft one we could get pods untill we find one. Would be interesting with Waite Henderson and Jpod, does this mean we play one ruck?.

Casboult would be handy if he could kick.

And, Unfortunately he can't kick......too late she cried!


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:44 pm 
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Please, mods, rename to "Our erroneous 22"


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:51 pm 
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After some good recruiting. :wink:

B: Temay Tippett McInnes
HB: Walker Henderson Docherty
C: Thomas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Chapman Waite D.Garlett
F: Menzel Boyd Kruezer
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Tuohy Graham Bontempelli Carrazzo Weller Ledger Hallahan Lambert

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