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Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


Those stats and the way Sydney play are hardly a secret.

42 touches, a defender.

Lets just think about that for a bit.



that guy had more touches than our whole team had tackles... think about that for a minute... :lol:

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BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.

Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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club29 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.




Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..




Why is it so difficult for people to accept that we were just beaten by a better team? You can analyse and dissect things to the degree that you want but it doesn't change the fact that we were never going to be good enough to compete with the top 4 teams in finals.

No excuses necessary, just not good enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:34 am 
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Gab wrote:
club29 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.




Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..




Why is it so difficult for people to accept that we were just beaten by a better team? You can analyse and dissect things to the degree that you want but it doesn't change the fact that we were never going to be good enough to compete with the top 4 teams in finals.

No excuses necessary, just not good enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:49 am 
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Gab wrote:
club29 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.




Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..




Why is it so difficult for people to accept that we were just beaten by a better team? You can analyse and dissect things to the degree that you want but it doesn't change the fact that we were never going to be good enough to compete with the top 4 teams in finals.

No excuses necessary, just not good enough.


If accepting we got beaten by a better team is so hard to accept our coach got outcoached by a better coach ?

I argued the whole "got beaten by a better team " thing for a few years. Kept getting shot down. Buck stops with the coach i was told.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:53 am 
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Gab wrote:
club29 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.




Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..




Why is it so difficult for people to accept that we were just beaten by a better team? You can analyse and dissect things to the degree that you want but it doesn't change the fact that we were never going to be good enough to compete with the top 4 teams in finals.

No excuses necessary, just not good enough.


Couldnt agree more. We weren't good enough.

But that doesnt mean you shouldn't analyse and dissect why. Yes our players were inferior. We should analyse how we fix that. How we restructure the list.
Were our coaches inferior on the night?
Did we play a gamestyle that was conducive to beating the particular opposition? Surely that needs to be analysed and scrutinised as well?

You have to take a holistic approach. Not just say we weren't good enough and forget it.
Everyone should be open to scrutiny. Players, board, coaches, if we want to improve.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:56 am 
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club29 wrote:
Gab wrote:
club29 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.







Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..




Why is it so difficult for people to accept that we were just beaten by a better team? You can analyse and dissect things to the degree that you want but it doesn't change the fact that we were never going to be good enough to compete with the top 4 teams in finals.

No excuses necessary, just not good enough.


If accepting we got beaten by a better team is so hard to accept our coach got outcoached by a better coach ?

I argued the whole "got beaten by a better team " thing for a few years. Kept getting shot down. Buck stops with the coach i was told.





I don't accept that Longmire is a better coach than Malthouse, nor that he was outcoached but that isn't relevant to my argument.

I am not talking about years gone by and haven't been part of this board long enough to know what happened in the past here.


I am only talking about last Saturday night and to me it was as simple as beaten by a better team.


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Blue Vain wrote:
Gab wrote:
club29 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


So many excuses.




Just admit it. Mick had the Blues under prepared for what was to come, not drilled well enough compared to his opposition coach, used the rubbish long kicking gameplan that hasnt worked with us all season and picked Casboult. Mick had a shocker and was outcoached by Horse who had his team playing like a well oiled machine even with injuries to key players and playing on an ice skating rink..




Why is it so difficult for people to accept that we were just beaten by a better team? You can analyse and dissect things to the degree that you want but it doesn't change the fact that we were never going to be good enough to compete with the top 4 teams in finals.

No excuses necessary, just not good enough.


Couldnt agree more. We weren't good enough.

But that doesnt mean you shouldn't analyse and dissect why. Yes our players were inferior. We should analyse how we fix that. How we restructure the list.
Were our coaches inferior on the night?
Did we play a gamestyle that was conducive to beating the particular opposition? Surely that needs to be analysed and scrutinised as well?

You have to take a holistic approach. Not just say we weren't good enough and forget it.
Everyone should be open to scrutiny. Players, board, coaches, if we want to improve.



Of course everyone is open for scrutiny and i am sure that will happen over the off season.

As far as Saturday goes we went into the game as the inferior team and whilst we may have hoped that we could win if everything went our way nobody could have gone into the game with the expectation that we were going to win. This wasn't a shock result, it pretty much went to script.

What we need to do is look at our list and make some changes no doubt, i am sure there will be a lot of dissecting and analysis take place within the club in the months ahead, all i am saying is that the result of Saturday's game didn't make that any more or less necessary, we were where we are before that point. I don't agree with people calling the performance a disgrace etc, they were just not up to it, simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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how can a coach, coach a player who slips over in a foot race and allows an easy goal?? This happened far too many times to allow for easy goals ...

Carlton was simply outplayed in this game. Forget the last quarter .... yeah if we kicked straight we might have won, but if we did I have no doubt Sydney would have shut us down before we got even close to a 2 goal deficit. The swans are not Richmond/Port Adelaide.

We had an opportunity to win it in the 3rd quarter ... we had everything going our way ... but instead of taking our opportunity we didn't score a single point and they kicked 5 goals ... end of game, end of season, end of a few careers ...

Malthouse is a quality coach. The statements he is making is exactly what I want to hear. There comes a time that players need to stand up (literally) and if they cant, they are moved on and we look for other alternatives. I look forward to the trade period and the draft with great optiomisum as I rate Malthouse, and I think what he is trying to do is what is needed to be done for us to have a sustained period of success but the window is pretty much shut. GWS and GCS will in a few years will have the finals sown up IMO, once they develop they are going to be elite teams (if they can keep their squads together)

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ScottSaunders wrote:

Carlton was simply outplayed in this game. Forget the last quarter .... yeah if we kicked straight we might have won, but if we did I have no doubt Sydney would have shut us down before we got even close to a 2 goal deficit. The swans are not Richmond/Port Adelaide.

We had an opportunity to win it in the 3rd quarter ... we had everything going our way ... but instead of taking our opportunity we didn't score a single point and they kicked 5 goals ... end of game, end of season, end of a few careers ...




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how can a coach, coach a player who slips over in a foot race and allows an easy goal?? This happened far too many times to allow for easy goals ...

Carlton was simply outplayed in this game. Forget the last quarter .... yeah if we kicked straight we might have won, but if we did I have no doubt Sydney would have shut us down before we got even close to a 2 goal deficit. The swans are not Richmond/Port Adelaide.

We had an opportunity to win it in the 3rd quarter ... we had everything going our way ... but instead of taking our opportunity we didn't score a single point and they kicked 5 goals ... end of game, end of season, end of a few careers ...

Malthouse is a quality coach. The statements he is making is exactly what I want to hear. There comes a time that players need to stand up (literally) and if they cant, they are moved on and we look for other alternatives. I look forward to the trade period and the draft with great optiomisum as I rate Malthouse, and I think what he is trying to do is what is needed to be done for us to have a sustained period of success but the window is pretty much shut. GWS and GCS will in a few years will have the finals sown up IMO, once they develop they are going to be elite teams (if they can keep their squads together)


I agree with your sentiments 100%.
This is no excuse but how can the equal third most important AFL game of the year be played on a surface like that?
Lets put to one side the teams that were playing but that ground is an absolute farce.
AFL should not be played at that ground again, the AFL need to negotiate with the SCG and have that ground available for September.


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I am only talking about last Saturday night and to me it was as simple as beaten by a better team.


They are a better team because they are better coached. Horse had us covered even with his guns out and a man down.

Other than those with rose coloured glasses would choose Malthouse ahead of Horse if we had a free hit at who could coach us for the next 3 years.


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horse didn't build that list ...


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club29 wrote:
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I am only talking about last Saturday night and to me it was as simple as beaten by a better team.


They are a better team because they are better coached. Horse had us covered even with his guns out and a man down.

Other than those with rose coloured glasses would choose Malthouse ahead of Horse if we had a free hit at who could coach us for the next 3 years.



They are a better team because they have more talent in the side than we do.


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2011 or 2013... are people really arguing which average season was better?

Have we really fallen that low? Absofooknlooty we have... sad times

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cimm1979 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


Those stats and the way Sydney play are hardly a secret.

42 touches, a defender.

Lets just think about that for a bit.


Mcveigh's touches in the first half were not as a defender.
He was on the ball and ripping us apart. I recall him getting a centre square clearance than running on
and kicking the goal himself in the second quarter.
His opponent for most of that quarter was Brock. Brock couldnt go with him.
Curnow was tagging Jack before he got injured. At the match i was hoping Dennis moved to Mcveigh.
MM cant win. If he went into the match with another tagger such as Cachia we would be all over him for being negative.
Fact is their cattle is bigger and stronger and faster and more disciplined than ours.


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Disciplined is the key Daggs001.

We were a dogs breakfast. No system, no effort and no hunger for the win.

Horse had his team playing like a well oiled machine.


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Disciplined is the key Daggs001.

We were a dogs breakfast. No system, no effort and no hunger for the win.

Horse had his team playing like a well oiled machine.



Absolutely. :clap:

Would take Longmire in a heartbeat over Malthouse. He actually thinks on the job and makes sound tactical decisions.

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daggs001 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
BM123 wrote:
Dan Hannebury 33 touches
Kieran Jack 30 touches
Heath Grundy 32 touches
O'keefe 30 touches
Mcveigh 42 touches

They had five guys who got over 30 touches and we had one ( Walker) Hard to stop Mcveigh when you have 4 other guys tearing to shreds. You could put Gibbs on Mcveigh but then Kennedy would get loose and the ball wouldn't even get in our forward line. Front running forwards who don't like the hard stuff and don't apply pressure is what Ratten has left us. Despite what the stats say we got completely smashed on the outside and the inside except for the last quarter where Sydney stopped. People comparing our game against WC in 2011 need to get a grip. We play Paterson's 10 times better then ANZ and WC weren't as good as Sydney are now. Oooo the shame of losing a semi final against the fourth team when we finished ninth......


Those stats and the way Sydney play are hardly a secret.

42 touches, a defender.

Lets just think about that for a bit.


Mcveigh's touches in the first half were not as a defender.
He was on the ball and ripping us apart. I recall him getting a centre square clearance than running on
and kicking the goal himself in the second quarter.
His opponent for most of that quarter was Brock. Brock couldnt go with him.
Curnow was tagging Jack before he got injured. At the match i was hoping Dennis moved to Mcveigh.
MM cant win. If he went into the match with another tagger such as Cachia we would be all over him for being negative.
Fact is their cattle is bigger and stronger and faster and more disciplined than ours.



you mean that big Ted Richards that kept Waite away from the ball
And Grundy who out body Casboult
And even Jetta managed to push Walker off the ball

they dropped a bloke back and had a lose man behind the stoppage and we never maned them up
We had three blokes trying to get the cheap goal over the back but there happened to be someone there waiting for them - no one was presenting up to the half forward line to create the link

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BigBlueWave wrote:
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Disciplined is the key Daggs001.

We were a dogs breakfast. No system, no effort and no hunger for the win.

Horse had his team playing like a well oiled machine.



Absolutely. :clap:

Would take Longmire in a heartbeat over Malthouse. He actually thinks on the job and makes sound tactical decisions.


Ratts, is that you???

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