R23: Port Adelaide v Carlton (Post match discussion)

AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:17 am

camelboy wrote:

Can't understand why we're consistently so inconsistent during games.

The first 2 1/2 quarters were close to the least competitive football we've played all year. To start the way we did with what was at stake is inexcusbale really.

And somewhow we flicked a switch in the last quarter and played some brilliant football.

To 3/4 time we had kicked 7.12.

In the last quarter we kicked 8.2.

It just doesn't make sense, haha, but I'll take it. :thumbsup:

Including last weeks game up until 3/4 time we had kicked 16 goals, 34 behinds.

:roll:

Race horses have been put down for less severe form reversals.

I have only just come down to earth to be in a position to post even semi remotely rationally.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:22 am

at one stage in todays game from set shots we had 1.5 and 3 OOFs

BIRDTOWN · **Joined:** Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1378

Blues2005 wrote:

I never felt like we were out of the game today. We seem to be play much better when chasing the game than we do when leading it. It's as if we need some kind of stimulus - i.e., the feeling that the game is slipping away - to stir us into action. Conversely, we seem a bit unsure of ourselves when ahead comfortably and the game becomes more about management and control. The team plays a lot better when it feels like the shackles are off and there is "nothing to lose".

And that's an indictment on the group. Mental fragility. Need to learn to confidently come out & destroy teams, physically and on the scoreboard. Make the game style and lock away the opposition.

BIRDTOWN · **Joined:** Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1378

Great shepherd by Menzel with about 3.5mins to go that freed up the centre clearance for Waite's goal. 11 - 3 in clearances as well our favour in the 2nd half.

GWS · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:49 am

Last year I played tennis for the first time in 25 years. I used to play a bit and a mate asked me to come out for a hit so I thought why not?

To put it bluntly I was completely retarded. Everything I thought I should be able to do (and once could) I couldn't. But I had a good enough time socially that I agreed to play again the following week. Same result but a couple of times something I tried came off and I felt a bit better about it so I decided it my be worth keeping up for a bit longer.

The third time we played I'd got worse. I kept thinking through all the things I knew I needed to do and yet nothing was working. I was very close to giving up but instead I said bugger it I'm just going to belt the crap out of everything as if I was 16 again.

My first return of serve went straight down the line at 100kms an hour. My mate just looked at me with a "Where the @#$%&! did that come from?" stare. Next one went cross court same result. I'd stopped thinking and started hitting. The muscle memory was still there and the key to unlocking it was to shut down the mental memory. The rest of the game was similar.

Over the last 12 months I've been playing every week and I'm now getting coaching (which I never did as a kid). My tennis is a reasonable standard again but each time my coach tries to refine a part of my game or teach me a new way of doing something I struggle for a while. I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

That last quarter looked like "Okay I'm going to belt the crap out of everything now". It's built into those guys from before they were teenagers. They're pretty good at it too! The problem is if they want to be truly great players in a truly great team they're going to have to able to do that AND think their way strategically through a game and be flexibale enough to adapt to different game plans. And that means learning knew ways of doing things.

And I don't think it's just the players going through this.

At the moment it seems that most of them are struggling with Mick's game plan but Mick's also struggling with them. Both the team and Mick appear to be floundering a lot of the time because they're over thinking his instructions and he's not familiar with the group he's in charge of. It's got to be easier to coach a group you've been in charge of for five years than a group you've just taken on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mick's doing a lot more second guessing of himself at the moment than he would have been at Collingwood a few years back.

Reprogramming is really bloody hard.

The good news is that my backhand is now about 80% as good as my forehand compared to the 50% it once was. It's not as completely instinctual as my forehand but it's getting closer than it ever has been and I'm a better player for having worked through the learning process.

I reckon the players will get better over time too but maybe we sometimes underestimate the full extent of the effects of the second guessing that comes with a structural change like a new coach.

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:14 am

Blueboy74 wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

What about AK43 and his nine-year-old kid going to the game! Their one game for the year. That kid is a CFC supporter for life.

That was actually us BS.

Was amazing. Even the daughter was pumped.

That first 2 and a half quarters was a train wreck, but we'll worry about that in the morning.....

Tonight we party.

I knew it had forty something in it. I knew who it was , just couldn't remember your handle. Glad you enjoyed it.

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:30 am

GWS wrote:

Last year I played tennis for the first time in 25 years. I used to play a bit and a mate asked me to come out for a hit so I thought why not?

To put it bluntly I was completely retarded. Everything I thought I should be able to do (and once could) I couldn't. But I had a good enough time socially that I agreed to play again the following week. Same result but a couple of times something I tried came off and I felt a bit better about it so I decided it my be worth keeping up for a bit longer.

The third time we played I'd got worse. I kept thinking through all the things I knew I needed to do and yet nothing was working. I was very close to giving up but instead I said bugger it I'm just going to belt the crap out of everything as if I was 16 again.

My first return of serve went straight down the line at 100kms an hour. My mate just looked at me with a "Where the @#$%&! did that come from?" stare. Next one went cross court same result. I'd stopped thinking and started hitting. The muscle memory was still there and the key to unlocking it was to shut down the mental memory. The rest of the game was similar.

Over the last 12 months I've been playing every week and I'm now getting coaching (which I never did as a kid). My tennis is a reasonable standard again but each time my coach tries to refine a part of my game or teach me a new way of doing something I struggle for a while. I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

That last quarter looked like "Okay I'm going to belt the crap out of everything now". It's built into those guys from before they were teenagers. They're pretty good at it too! The problem is if they want to be truly great players in a truly great team they're going to have to able to do that AND think their way strategically through a game and be flexibale enough to adapt to different game plans. And that means learning knew ways of doing things.

And I don't think it's just the players going through this.

At the moment it seems that most of them are struggling with Mick's game plan but Mick's also struggling with them. Both the team and Mick appear to be floundering a lot of the time because they're over thinking his instructions and he's not familiar with the group he's in charge of. It's got to be easier to coach a group you've been in charge of for five years than a group you've just taken on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mick's doing a lot more second guessing of himself at the moment than he would have been at Collingwood a few years back.

Reprogramming is really bloody hard.

The good news is that my backhand is now about 80% as good as my forehand compared to the 50% it once was. It's not as completely instinctual as my forehand but it's getting closer than it ever has been and I'm a better player for having worked through the learning process.

I reckon the players will get better over time too but maybe we sometimes underestimate the full extent of the effects of the second guessing that comes with a structural change like a new coach.

Wrong thread.
:lol:

GWS · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:51 am

Blue Sombrero wrote:

GWS wrote:

Last year I played tennis for the first time in 25 years. I used to play a bit and a mate asked me to come out for a hit so I thought why not?

To put it bluntly I was completely retarded. Everything I thought I should be able to do (and once could) I couldn't. But I had a good enough time socially that I agreed to play again the following week. Same result but a couple of times something I tried came off and I felt a bit better about it so I decided it my be worth keeping up for a bit longer.

The third time we played I'd got worse. I kept thinking through all the things I knew I needed to do and yet nothing was working. I was very close to giving up but instead I said bugger it I'm just going to belt the crap out of everything as if I was 16 again.

My first return of serve went straight down the line at 100kms an hour. My mate just looked at me with a "Where the @#$%&! did that come from?" stare. Next one went cross court same result. I'd stopped thinking and started hitting. The muscle memory was still there and the key to unlocking it was to shut down the mental memory. The rest of the game was similar.

Over the last 12 months I've been playing every week and I'm now getting coaching (which I never did as a kid). My tennis is a reasonable standard again but each time my coach tries to refine a part of my game or teach me a new way of doing something I struggle for a while. I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

That last quarter looked like "Okay I'm going to belt the crap out of everything now". It's built into those guys from before they were teenagers. They're pretty good at it too! The problem is if they want to be truly great players in a truly great team they're going to have to able to do that AND think their way strategically through a game and be flexibale enough to adapt to different game plans. And that means learning knew ways of doing things.

And I don't think it's just the players going through this.

At the moment it seems that most of them are struggling with Mick's game plan but Mick's also struggling with them. Both the team and Mick appear to be floundering a lot of the time because they're over thinking his instructions and he's not familiar with the group he's in charge of. It's got to be easier to coach a group you've been in charge of for five years than a group you've just taken on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mick's doing a lot more second guessing of himself at the moment than he would have been at Collingwood a few years back.

Reprogramming is really bloody hard.

The good news is that my backhand is now about 80% as good as my forehand compared to the 50% it once was. It's not as completely instinctual as my forehand but it's getting closer than it ever has been and I'm a better player for having worked through the learning process.

I reckon the players will get better over time too but maybe we sometimes underestimate the full extent of the effects of the second guessing that comes with a structural change like a new coach.

Wrong thread.
:lol:

Maybe but it was during this particular last quarter that I made the connection.

Might be a bit slow.

Or it might be the beers in Berlin... :beer:

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

GWS wrote:

I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

Phew! For a minute there I thought you were Jana Novotna!

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

GWS wrote:

Last year I played tennis for the first time in 25 years. I used to play a bit and a mate asked me to come out for a hit so I thought why not?

To put it bluntly I was completely retarded. Everything I thought I should be able to do (and once could) I couldn't. But I had a good enough time socially that I agreed to play again the following week. Same result but a couple of times something I tried came off and I felt a bit better about it so I decided it my be worth keeping up for a bit longer.

The third time we played I'd got worse. I kept thinking through all the things I knew I needed to do and yet nothing was working. I was very close to giving up but instead I said bugger it I'm just going to belt the crap out of everything as if I was 16 again.

My first return of serve went straight down the line at 100kms an hour. My mate just looked at me with a "Where the @#$%&! did that come from?" stare. Next one went cross court same result. I'd stopped thinking and started hitting. The muscle memory was still there and the key to unlocking it was to shut down the mental memory. The rest of the game was similar.

Over the last 12 months I've been playing every week and I'm now getting coaching (which I never did as a kid). My tennis is a reasonable standard again but each time my coach tries to refine a part of my game or teach me a new way of doing something I struggle for a while. I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

That last quarter looked like "Okay I'm going to belt the crap out of everything now". It's built into those guys from before they were teenagers. They're pretty good at it too! The problem is if they want to be truly great players in a truly great team they're going to have to able to do that AND think their way strategically through a game and be flexibale enough to adapt to different game plans. And that means learning knew ways of doing things.

And I don't think it's just the players going through this.

At the moment it seems that most of them are struggling with Mick's game plan but Mick's also struggling with them. Both the team and Mick appear to be floundering a lot of the time because they're over thinking his instructions and he's not familiar with the group he's in charge of. It's got to be easier to coach a group you've been in charge of for five years than a group you've just taken on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mick's doing a lot more second guessing of himself at the moment than he would have been at Collingwood a few years back.

Reprogramming is really bloody hard.

The good news is that my backhand is now about 80% as good as my forehand compared to the 50% it once was. It's not as completely instinctual as my forehand but it's getting closer than it ever has been and I'm a better player for having worked through the learning process.

I reckon the players will get better over time too but maybe we sometimes underestimate the full extent of the effects of the second guessing that comes with a structural change like a new coach.

great post. :clap:

unfortunately, it sounds like a lot of our players won't get the chance to fully reprogram and shine.
also, should we be concerned that not all the re programming might be for the best.
point in case..sometimes, it is surely ok to take the ball down the guts!! :thumbsup:

camel · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:04 am

Just watching the replay and it was during the 3rd quarter that Westhoff strolled past Trengove to score a goal, while Walks was scratching the ground.

That was as poor a team passage of play as I've seen from us all year. No pressure anywhere on the ground. The goal gave them a 39 point lead, there was 9 minutes left on the clock for the 3rd quarter.

How on earth did we come back from that?!

:lol:

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:09 am

Those are the really disappointing parts of our play. We switch off at times and just don't look interested.

There was at least one other instance in the last few weeks where even the commentators could see an opposition player was going to hand off for a teammate to have a shot from outside 50 and we weren't switched on to see it happening.

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4746

Unbelievable. Why can't they play like that for 4 quarters?

It shows you that it's about mental attitude and not ability with these guys..

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13684

Two of ports goals in the last quarter were set shot bananas where we didn't have a player mind the space near the mark. It may have cost us the two goals. Compare that with last week when the bombers had players very tight and close in that area (I think too close) and we couldn't score.

We still have discipline issues. It's about getting the basics right. No amount of thymosin beta 4 / aod9604 can make you do those things.

Still what a @#$%&! good win!

camel · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:33 am

Walker's left foot pass drilled to Garlett in the last was sesnsational! :thumbsup:

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

bluechucky wrote:

Two of ports goals in the last quarter were set shot bananas where we didn't have a player mind the space near the mark.

I was screaming at Walker to get closer! The footy basics for a lot of players went out the window...no excuses when you learn these things in the under-13's.

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:38 am

Murphy's handball to Duigan superb.

SA Blue · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:40 am

JackWorrall wrote:

Nice bookend result.

We won our first game at Football Park (the first non-South Australian side to do so in the AFL), and now we've won the last AFL game at the venue.

Sorry if I'm stealing The Blueseum's thunder.

I was at both games too!

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:41 am

Has Duigan booked himself a final?

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

verbs wrote:

Has Duigan booked himself a final?

Depends on how Heath Scotland trains this week.

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