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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:47 am 
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Graham certainly seems like a popular fella

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:53 am 
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BS you might not understand that a lot of midfielders prefer the ruck drop it at their feet.

SOme rucks like NN hit it beyond the inner circle...allowing their teammate to push their opponent IN towards the contest.

There are so many centre square nuances you lot don't seem to understand.

Whether the ruck can hit it at certain points on the clock, whether the midfielder likes it in space or dropped at the rucks feet.


Didn't matter where he tapped it, he tapped it to richmond players most of the time, even when he did punch it clear it went straight to Richmond players.

He gets plenty of taps, but he has negative control, it always goes where our players aren't!


Yet we won the clearances 45 to 35, centre square 14-12, around the ground/throw in 31 to 23

Strange that!

How many were his, how many were roved to Maric and how many were Casboult's?
I can think of three of the Richmond centre clearances that were the direct result of a Warnock tap to the chest of an opponent, one of whom was Maric himself. There were how many centre bounces? Let's see. 4 to start the quarters plus 30 after goals. We won 14 of 34, less than half. They won 12, about a third, if which we gifted them 3 and yet we still just scraped home. Brock got tackled three times before he took a step. Twice he got pinged. That's two more for Richmond, five in all. So we gave them 3 from hitouts and two frees because the tap went to an oppponent or to someone who was not in a position to do anything with it when we got it.
Don't hold that up as an example of good rucking.
There are many nuances of centre square work that you think you know about but obviously don't. There is more to it than quoting raw stats with no breaking them down.
I haven't even started on the other stoppages.
Watch it again. He's a useless giraffe and there is a reason he played all his footy in the WAFL and now the VFL. Successive coaches have worked him out. Harvey, Ratten and now MM have all played him in the seconds. When Kreuzer is fit, Warnock will go straight back to the VFL where he belongs. Better we trade him than pay him to play there. He's a waste of salary cap space. And I don't recall his taking one contested mark yesterday. He's 206cm, has hands the size of dinner plates and he can't catch a ball that would be like a tennis ball to a normal sized person.
For all his faults, Hampson is a better prospect.


Totally agree with thus

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:32 am 
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Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
Very confused by the Holding the Ball rule in this game..... a few instances of players being grabbed straight away & not pretending well enough to try to handball it v. a few who were given a full 360degree spin / tackle and still no call...


100% agree, sooooo frustrating.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:35 am 
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It has to mentioned that the tigers have probably lifted their training over the last few weeks to prepare for the finals. Would explain their inconsistent effort today.

Not saying we didn't play good but we should take into account our oppositions position.


How about being blanketed where it mattered? Players actually standing up when the game was on the line. Robbo actually thinking when he had the ball. 5 goals down and then the training load kicked in. Please. Ellis decided not to go near the ball. Riewoldt gave up. Cotchin decided to keep his best until the last 2 minutes. It's why our stars have been so shite this year.
Take your anti MM views into your other threads...enjoy the win


Hi BIRDTOWN,

So you think the Tigers are not thinking about Sept. Not training up for it. Just going through the motions thinking their pre season is enough to get them through.

They are locked in. Foolish to think they wouldn't be preparing. Look through the results of teams in the finals in years gone by. Look for upsets. You will see plenty. Collingwood , Hawthorn and Essendon* have been a lock for a while and look at their results over the last month. The tigers come out flying yesterday and then had concrete legs for 3 quarters.

We played well but we shouldn't get too carried away. Our problems still exist.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:27 am 
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club29 wrote:
BIRDTOWN wrote:
club29 wrote:
It has to mentioned that the tigers have probably lifted their training over the last few weeks to prepare for the finals. Would explain their inconsistent effort today.

Not saying we didn't play good but we should take into account our oppositions position.


How about being blanketed where it mattered? Players actually standing up when the game was on the line. Robbo actually thinking when he had the ball. 5 goals down and then the training load kicked in. Please. Ellis decided not to go near the ball. Riewoldt gave up. Cotchin decided to keep his best until the last 2 minutes. It's why our stars have been so shite this year.
Take your anti MM views into your other threads...enjoy the win


Hi BIRDTOWN,

So you think the Tigers are not thinking about Sept. Not training up for it. Just going through the motions thinking their pre season is enough to get them through.

They are locked in. Foolish to think they wouldn't be preparing. Look through the results of teams in the finals in years gone by. Look for upsets. You will see plenty. Collingwood , Hawthorn and Essendon** have been a lock for a while and look at their results over the last month. The tigers come out flying yesterday and then had concrete legs for 3 quarters.

We played well but we shouldn't get too carried away. Our problems still exist.


I'm not so sure. If we had kept the same players in the same positions, it would've been a day out for the tiges, an easy 10 goal win or more. Shifting Waite to the backline and Jamo onto Reiwoldt was the game changer for mine. It brought Waite into the game rather than leading into the forward pocket and seeing the ball fly over his head. Casboult in the goal square is a no brainer; hands like glue and even he can kick a goal from 10m out. He's stacked on a bit of weight though, whether that's a good or bad thing I don't know, but at least it provides some bulk around the ground. Hendo as a lead out forward is great as well as he has a pretty safe kick for goal from around the 30-50m mark.

One of best games we've played this year I reckon.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:40 am 
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club29 wrote:
BIRDTOWN wrote:
club29 wrote:
It has to mentioned that the tigers have probably lifted their training over the last few weeks to prepare for the finals. Would explain their inconsistent effort today.

Not saying we didn't play good but we should take into account our oppositions position.


How about being blanketed where it mattered? Players actually standing up when the game was on the line. Robbo actually thinking when he had the ball. 5 goals down and then the training load kicked in. Please. Ellis decided not to go near the ball. Riewoldt gave up. Cotchin decided to keep his best until the last 2 minutes. It's why our stars have been so shite this year.
Take your anti MM views into your other threads...enjoy the win


Hi BIRDTOWN,

So you think the Tigers are not thinking about Sept. Not training up for it. Just going through the motions thinking their pre season is enough to get them through.

They are locked in. Foolish to think they wouldn't be preparing. Look through the results of teams in the finals in years gone by. Look for upsets. You will see plenty. Collingwood , Hawthorn and Essendon** have been a lock for a while and look at their results over the last month. The tigers come out flying yesterday and then had concrete legs for 3 quarters.

We played well but we shouldn't get too carried away. Our problems still exist.

I think you're paying the tiggies way too much credit

With the Swans' tough run home, they were a chance for a top 4 finish... and we took that away from them :lol:

Yes we still have our issues but let's not take that away from what was a clinical performance after qtr time

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:42 am 
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verbs wrote:
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Our season is still alive and our players are good enough!! I can't say that enough.


Good enough for what? Making sponge cakes for the Girl Guides, beating the sixth placed side on a good day or winning a premiership? :confused:


Playing finals.
As for beating Richmond, well Richmond did beat Hawthorn just last week and were expecting too punish us this week. Also we did just beat them without Judd, Kruezer, Carrazzo and Garlett who are in our best 18.
Why do we need to continuously be so negative about our playing list. I'm not saying we will win the premiership but we are good enough to play finals and compete with the top teams. We have seen it this year. Problem is we don't do it consistently.


Measured response to a wildly bizarre line of questioning.


Oh - thanks Verbs. If you have been following Surrey's line of thinking in the past few days or so, you'll know why it's bizarre. :roll: Every little inch of success we have is greeted by an about-face on this forum and you choose to feed it. :confused:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:08 am 
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club29 wrote:
BIRDTOWN wrote:
club29 wrote:
Hi BIRDTOWN,

So you think the Tigers are not thinking about Sept. Not training up for it. Just going through the motions thinking their pre season is enough to get them through.

They are locked in. Foolish to think they wouldn't be preparing. Look through the results of teams in the finals in years gone by. Look for upsets. You will see plenty. Collingwood , Hawthorn and Essendon** have been a lock for a while and look at their results over the last month. The tigers come out flying yesterday and then had concrete legs for 3 quarters.

We played well but we shouldn't get too carried away. Our problems still exist.


I'll give you the September vision but clearly it was not about that yesterday (their top 4 aspirations aside). We could have easily been dismantled by Richmond, and it was on the cards just like Geelong toyed with WCE last night. We stood up, a little credit to the boys yesterday.
We still have our problems, namely disposal, fitness & lack of thought process at times but the lads cracked in & had a dip. Smothering and some attacks on the man were highlights.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:28 am 
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club29 wrote:
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So, what you are sort of saying is that Richmond's performance was affected negatively by an alleged tougher training regime.

Sorry, I don't buy it, and thats putting it politely


Pretty much. You see these sort of results towards the end of every season. Why wouldn't the tigers be doing everything they can training wise to make sure they are prepared for Sept. Hardwick knows what's going on. Hints at it in his presser.

I reckon you will see a different Essendon*** next week as they come off their little training booster. Hopefully they are " geared "
to " peak " the weak after next.

Port are not in a position to mess around with their training loads. They need every win.

Hope we don't get too ahead of ourselves after today. Enjoy it but realize our problems still exist.


Training loads??? Rd 1 gave them a 6 goal break and practically reeled them in if not for Yarran misses. Rd 21 gave up a 5 goal start and reeled them in. Two extremes in the H&A season but similar scenarios.

Respectively disagree.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:30 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
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There is a lot of wallpaper in that win. :wink:


If you're getting at what I think you are getting at, I agree.


An entire rebuild isn't necessary though. There are lots of building blocks there as long as the development is done correctly, as long as Rogers continues on from 2012, as long as we don't trade the earth for a star to settle the nuffy fans, as long as MM is surrounded with better assistants, as long as the board got a clue.

Harley has shit for brains but he made a good point which seems to get lost so often by Carlton supporters - clubs are able to replenish their list and still challenge for the premiership AT THE SAME TIME.


Look at Geelong and Sydney.


I have always said that but you have to start from a reasonably solid base and not all clubs have that. For us, it depends on what you define as a (complete) rebuild. We most likely won't be winning a GF with Judd and Waite so you might as well refer to whatever transpires as a rebuild. No one is suggesting tanking so I don't know what point some posters are trying to make.

I also wouldn't give Rogers' 2012 the stamp of approval just yet and so far it's just an influx of two players. Even Hughes has probably had a year in which two first year players debuted. It's hardly earth shattering list building. You also have to work out where your priorities are. Are you in it for success or for show?



Maybe we have gotten used to failures so we have low standards...
But I'm prepared to give menzel a big tick. Worth the risk
Nick graham has only played a quarter, but already looks promising.
Temay... Not sure . I've only seen him a couple of times and still undecided.

Overall a good showing by the young blues, bar bootsma's learning experience.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:35 am 
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Nice to see another blonde haired player. We don't seem to have many. They look good in the dark navy blue.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:52 am 
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mjs wrote:
where do these young men get their tonsorial advice?

Gibbs looks like he is wearing a doormat on his head

Graham not much better

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:14 pm 
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I loved watching Scotto expressing passion and joy over the win.
Feels like we haven't seen that or the spontaneous group hugs for awhile.
a very reassuring sign.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:32 pm 
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Good win but makes last week even more frustrating/annoying -makes a number of performances for the season bewildering

I don't know why rowe plays in front of casboult - need games into casboult much better mark - better at crashing packs - kicking obviously wasn't the best but has a lot more upside -graham a good start - menzel will be good like his goal kicking -a full pre-season will be good -bell good without the ball pressure - needs a bit more composure when he has the ball
Tuohy Henderson walker mclean and simpson all have had good seasons
Gibbs was excellent yesterday
A good win without judd garlett kreuzer


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:37 pm 
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Yesterday was a good win, but let's not get too carried away. They had a much younger side in than we did. So we should have won, but normally we should have been expecting to win that game by 6 goals plus.

If we play to the level we should expect, we'll beat Essendon* by 10 goals then Port by 3.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:21 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
Yesterday was a good win, but let's not get too carried away. They had a much younger side in than we did. So we should have won, but normally we should have been expecting to win that game by 6 goals plus.

If we play to the level we should expect, we'll beat Essendon** by 10 goals then Port by 3.

Expecting to beat a team fighting for top 4 who just thrashed hawthorn by 10 goals and u think we should be budgeting for a 6 goal win

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:23 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
Yesterday was a good win, but let's not get too carried away. They had a much younger side in than we did. So we should have won, but normally we should have been expecting to win that game by 6 goals plus.

If we play to the level we should expect, we'll beat Essendon** by 10 goals then Port by 3.


You can only beat what's in front of you and we didn't have Judd, Kruezer, Carrazzo & Garlett.

Personally, I thought we played a better quality of football than we had in a long while and put most of it down to a better structure.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:52 pm 
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My favourite bit was when they were peeing themselves in delight after kicking their 3 goal in the 1st. It was at this point I knew my money was safe.

It was as if they had just won the grandfinal.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:58 pm 
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Was at a wedding, missed the game. Bloody wife's friends :banghead: :banghead:


Thanks to bluehammer for the running commentary texts through the second half :grin:

I share your frustration. I also had a wedding, i went to the game and left at half time. It was my friend though.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:04 pm 
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Yesterday was a good win, but let's not get too carried away. They had a much younger side in than we did. So we should have won, but normally we should have been expecting to win that game by 6 goals plus.

If we play to the level we should expect, we'll beat Essendon*** by 10 goals then Port by 3.

Expecting to beat a team fighting for top 4 who just thrashed hawthorn by 10 goals and u think we should be budgeting for a 6 goal win

Lol


It wasn't the same side that beat Hawthorn 3 weeks earlier. the average age of that team was 25y 5m & 88 games ave compared to 24y 4m and 74 games. Makes a massive difference.

IMO Judd hasn't given us anything like the return this year that he has in his past 10 seasons. He was of little loss yesterday. Kreuzer was compensated by Warnock, who, when he works hard enough, is among the top 6 ruckman in the comp.

I was so confident yesterday I put my money on the win. Had we played the same team that beat hawthorn, we wouldn't have had a hope.

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