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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 12:31 pm 
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If 'Mick has a lot of him' I think our best hope is that his influence can lead us to effective club / list management structures and we can catch up on some of the best thinking from recent years. Unfortunately we didn't do that (couldn't afford to?) as we emerged from the dark years but I cant help but feel that the surge from that opportunity is now wasted.


This is worst case IMO, but the most important reason why we had to get Malthouse in.


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:24 pm 
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Mick is doing fine. We have seen him gradually introduce young players at Coll. before you know it there's a whole new generation there. He's doing it now at CFC. He knows the old guys are nearing the end and he needs to bring through the new wave. Let's not kid ourselves, this group never finished better than fifth- they're not world beaters and Mick knows that. Refurbishments are in order.

Judd is playing outside the centre a lot more. Simpson is playing defence. Murphy today played forward a lot (probably due to the foot but even still it means another kid has to go through the middle).

In their place Cachia has come in the last few weeks (and btw doesn't be remind us a bit of Wayne Harmes with that stocky build and 37). Army runs through their more. Lucas has played every game. Bell got his chance today.

Before you know it we will have a new midfield. This is vintage Malthouse. Deftly changing the make up of the team.

We need to remember he inherited this list. Synbad is right - Mick needs to see all the players, and in time he will know what he's got to work with. We are at Mick's Ground Zero in 2013.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:24 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:19 pm 
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He can stick his crap gameplan up his cracker.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:05 pm 
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Thanks missnaut for posting this in the Richmond thread...deserves to be here too

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2rywb.html

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:19 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Thanks missnaut for posting this in the Richmond thread...deserves to be here too

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2rywb.html




Some very good points if we can comprehend them without prejudice.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:21 pm 
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Seems like the old guard is not happy, and nor should they be. Disappointing season.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:34 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Thanks missnaut for posting this in the Richmond thread...deserves to be here too

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2rywb.html


Ratts failed - get over it Wallsy


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:42 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Effes wrote:
Thanks missnaut for posting this in the Richmond thread...deserves to be here too

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2rywb.html


Ratts failed - get over it Wallsy


It's not just about Ratts.

It's also about MM; his performance, and the manner in which he was appointed.

Good on Walls for highlighting the pathetic decision making that has occurred at Carlton, in particular the poor judgment of Kernahan and the rest of the board.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:45 pm 
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he's just shitty on the board for boning Ratts


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:55 pm 
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Each time Walls writes an article/opinion piece... the opposite occurs

Now I'm more confident than ever that we made the right choice :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:34 pm 
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Each time Walls writes an article/opinion piece... the opposite occurs

Now I'm more confident than ever that we made the right choice :thumbsup:



Agreed

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:42 pm 
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Walls has an agenda, has had it all year
Take this article with a grain of salt


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Connolly's put his 2c in now in the big paper
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/car ... 6566467511


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missnaut wrote:
Connolly's put his 2c in now in the big paper
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/car ... 6566467511


All I can say is down hill football is pretty to watch but it's defense and kicking efficiency that wins premierships. If the players mentioned in this article don't want to defend then find another club. Much easier to loosen the leash once you have defensive discipline than tighten the reins on loose attacking game styles


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:34 am 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Walls has an agenda, has had it all year
Take this article with a grain of salt



Yeah, a multiple premiership coach has an agenda.
So has Connolly, so has King, so has everyone.

Lets believe the shit you write instead. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:53 am 
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The board needs to be put under the blowtorch for appointing MM. Ratten was divisive with his approach and not the answer. But, and it's a big but! The board should have let Ratten coach into this season. Whether Walls has an agenda or not, there's a few things he's saying which are valid.

If we'd kept Ratten on, we'd be closer to getting a 1st tier coach like Roos, rather than a 60-year old who's best coaching and list building days are behind him. Based on this season, they look well behind him.

Hinkler has done more with a much worse list over at Port

Malthouse ought to be held accountable over his season and some of the more disturbing ares which have arisen from the season. The loss of confidence in key players under his leadership and guidance. The failure to blood more youth. The thinning of our already thin midfield group to throw them down back.

When Ratten threw Gibbs down back, everyone here were up in arms. Malthouse does it, and we barely discuss it anymore?

Walls was right. There is one rule and matter of logic applied to Ratten, and another entirely on Malthouse.

Malthouse talked about this list he inherited at his intro presser. He talked about watching them intently over the course of last season. In his surmise he declared them finals bound and capable of giving a push for a flag a real go.

If CFC were serious, MM would be put under review. We have the cattle to make the eight. There was no doubt in my mind we were a better team than Richmond when the season started.

I'm not buying our list is so shit we can't make the eight or even the top 6. We have always been inconsistent, we've always taken 2 steps forward and one step back with our bunch of pretty introverts. But when games mattered we turned up and we played with heart.

This season, I can't think of one game where we've played with intensity for four-quarters ... and this imo is the most disappointing aspect of 2013. I hold MM pretty much solely accountable for this.

If MM were the leader we thought he might be when he was appointed, our players as a whole would've not regressed so much and played with so little confidence and heart.

my 2 cents ...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:53 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sugarcane wrote:
Walls has an agenda, has had it all year
Take this article with a grain of salt



Yeah, a multiple premiership coach has an agenda.


Who's the multiple premiership coach????????????

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:21 am 
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Braithy wrote:
The board needs to be put under the blowtorch for appointing MM. Ratten was divisive with his approach and not the answer. But, and it's a big but! The board should have let Ratten coach into this season. Whether Walls has an agenda or not, there's a few things he's saying which are valid.

If we'd kept Ratten on, we'd be closer to getting a 1st tier coach like Roos, rather than a 60-year old who's best coaching and list building days are behind him. Based on this season, they look well behind him.



Malthouse's age has absolutely no bearing upon his ability, there's been plenty of crappy AFL coaches of a younger age. Roos won't coach a club that he doesn't believe is ready to achieve highly, he never has had experience in building a list, Eade did the hard work before he took on the Swans job.

Hinkler has done more with a much worse list over at Port


I'm not doubting Hinkley's ability as a coach but i think people underestimate the effect that the tragic events in the pre-season has had on this group of players. I have no doubt it has brought them closer together and brought a different focus to them, basically they have all grown up very quickly.


Malthouse ought to be held accountable over his season and some of the more disturbing ares which have arisen from the season. The loss of confidence in key players under his leadership and guidance. The failure to blood more youth. The thinning of our already thin midfield group to throw them down back.

When Ratten threw Gibbs down back, everyone here were up in arms. Malthouse does it, and we barely discuss it anymore?

Walls was right. There is one rule and matter of logic applied to Ratten, and another entirely on Malthouse.


Walls has not been an objective commentator on anything that has occurred at Carlton this year, he spat the dummy when Malthouse was appointed taking it to the point of refusing to purchase a Carlton membership this season.


Malthouse talked about this list he inherited at his intro presser. He talked about watching them intently over the course of last season. In his surmise he declared them finals bound and capable of giving a push for a flag a real go.


Maybe the reality of seeing things from the inside was different to the picture that was being painted outwardly.


If CFC were serious, MM would be put under review. We have the cattle to make the eight. There was no doubt in my mind we were a better team than Richmond when the season started.


If CFC is serious it will be waiting to see what the results are at the end of his term not taking knee jerk measurees after less than a year into a coaching appointment

I'm not buying our list is so shit we can't make the eight or even the top 6. We have always been inconsistent, we've always taken 2 steps forward and one step back with our bunch of pretty introverts. But when games mattered we turned up and we played with heart.


We have a very poor record against the better teams going back a few years now, going forward that can't be seen to be acceptable. We need to become more consistent and if that means making changes to the list to achieve this then so be it.


This season, I can't think of one game where we've played with intensity for four-quarters ... and this imo is the most disappointing aspect of 2013. I hold MM pretty much solely accountable for this.


This has been the case for a long time before MM arrived, i blame the players.

If MM were the leader we thought he might be when he was appointed, our players as a whole would've not regressed so much and played with so little confidence and heart.


MM has spent this season having a good look at our playing list and i am sure he has decided who of the playing list is capable of taking us forward, i am looking forward to seeing what develops over the pre-season and into next year.


my 2 cents ...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:42 am 
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Yeah. I don't disagree with any of that.


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