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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:54 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Caro once again saying that Sticks might not last.


Apparently he's pinning all his hopes on our boom recruit Geoff Hayward next year

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:02 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Caro once again saying that Sticks might not last.


Apparently he's pinning all his hopes on our boom recruit Geoff Hayward next year


Funny you say that cos Gibbs reminds me of Geoff Hayward. All the talent in the world but in desperate need of a rocket. Difference is that Hayward eventually came good.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:42 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Caro once again saying that Sticks might not last.


Apparently he's pinning all his hopes on our boom recruit Geoff Hayward next year


Funny you say that cos Gibbs reminds me of Geoff Hayward. All the talent in the world but in desperate need of a rocket. Difference is that Hayward eventually came good.



Except Hayward wasn't played as a lock down defender

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:44 am 
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A little off topic, but I am forever bemused how it came to be that John Elliot was one of the leading forces behind a national competition and the establishment of an independent commission, yet under his watch as President we were one of the most woeful clubs in terms of reforming/adapting to operate under this new model... and we've done nothing since.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:49 pm 
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I think Robert Walls would be an excellent President for us.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:52 pm 
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Blues21 wrote:
I think Robert Walls would be an excellent President for us.


From France? Sure...why not.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:00 am 
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Sticks and Jeanie might as well be in France. Walls would be perfect at Carlton. He would not take any crap & wouldn't be afraid of standing up to the AFL when required. If anybody has a better option other than Sticks I'm happy to hear it.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:19 am 
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NOt sure if Walls is a good idea. But please, spare us any fools who "stand up to the AFL". That's all we need..... another Eliot or a Little.

If you want to see what it looks like when a president stands up to the AFL, check out Essendon* in about 6 months.....

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:45 am 
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When required were the words I used. There are times when you do need to take a firm stance on issues and this can be done in the correct manner. What Essendon* are doing is not an example I would provide. See Eddie Maguire for what I mean.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:54 am 
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Blues21 wrote:
When required were the words I used. There are times when you do need to take a firm stance on issues and this can be done.


This is what I have been thinking about when looking at the main points of criticism towards MM by the so called pro Ratten group....I don't think they're pro Ratten but more so anti MM (for historical reasons), lack of process, because he got rid of Richo, and or anti Board.

I recall Blue Vain sharing the views of personnel who had worked under Malthouse he was privy to. Basically he said Malthouse is autocratic and it's his way or the highway. Others have suggested this is the main reason Eddie got rid of MM.

I like the stern and unwavering leaders who have a clear picture and path of the direction they should take. An organisation cannot go different ways in a splintered approach. That breeds chaos, and Carlton we have been chaotic and ad hoc for long enough.

I don't care too much of Camporeales views of Pagan or any of the other remaining leaders during the Pagan period with regards to his style . The players had obviously taken over the club and the board seemed to be weak and as a result the club wasn't going anywhere. The list was weak and the weak were all we had and therefore we allowed them to continue to be weak

Same as last year when some of the playing group seemed to have lost respect for Ratten and didn't play for him against the GC and Saints. They put in a weak performance which reflected badly on Ratten.

The players are employees and are paid to tow the line and perform at their best every game even when the club is tanking.

You see it doesn't matter whether its Brittain Pagan Ratts or MM if you haven't got the cattle and a deep list to perform a handful of players can bring undone any well intended and designed course a coach plans for their team.

New age, Old age, gen Y....look there's good ways to behave towards each other, but when an employee is not doing their best I believe firm action should be taken by the coach. Some players don't know if they will be on the list next year because of their performance this year. Fair enough. We need high standards.

Prior to the start of the season MM backed all the players to a start fresh and show what they have to give this club in its quest for the 17th flag. We have lost many games from a lull in concentration, a lack of endeavour and failure to play for the jumper as happened for Ratts against Port GC and Saints last year....last weeks first half against the baby Doggies a similar thing happened to MM.

I have a feeling there's a few bad eggs or over rated players on our list and they needed to be weeded out. There should be changes to the list. Those players will stand out in these last 3 rounds.

MM has been given a contract to get us to the top 4 and a chance at a flag within 3 years. He reckons he can. History will tell.

Last years brilliant grand final showed the world how important a good defensive game is in a GF let alone an unwavering commitment to contested footy for the full duration of the game. Looking at our list I think MM is right that many on our list will not give us what we need to win a flag. Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade...and that's why I think MM is the right person to have judging the list and fixing our inherent on field and off field weaknesses.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:12 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
...and that's why I think MM is the right person to have judging the list and fixing our inherent on field and off field weaknesses.


So you're advocating Mick Malthouse be appointed the game's first Coach/President. Interesting bondi... :wink:

Thread needs a little direction here.

Yes, many of us think Sticks should step aside. But if he does so this year or next - then we get Richard Newton. And nothing changes. Same old, same old. Then we get factions occurring within the board and by 2016 we have Craig Mathieson as President. That's the scenario we have in front of us for the next few years.

Will we be run in the same vein as Craig's business interests - Funtastic and Great Western Exploration? Or will he be a mere mouthpiece for Uncle Bruce who can run the show from his $18 million Gold Coast mansion on Nobby's Beach. Either way - it doesn't bode all that well for Carlton. More spinning wheels. More comfort for Greg Swann in his position as an inherently lazy CEO. Remember - there isn't a Laurie Kerr pulling strings in the background.

There needs to be an alternative path than the one the club is on. From the Board I want more transparency, accountability and direction. Unlike the Carlton of the past - it needn't be achieved with in-fighting and warring factions.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:20 pm 
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Less than a week after stepping down as Chairman of Aegis, Harold Mitchell just became Chairman of Free TV. Great coup for FTV. He's intelligent, supremely connected, passionate, respected in the business, arts and sporting communities, energetic, persuasive and attracts people to him.

I'm only saying this to make myself depressed about our situation :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:51 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Less than a week after stepping down as Chairman of Aegis, Harold Mitchell just became Chairman of Free TV. Great coup for FTV. He's intelligent, supremely connected, passionate, respected in the business, arts and sporting communities, energetic, persuasive and attracts people to him.

I'm only saying this to make myself depressed about our situation :lol:

You shoulda asked me. I could have you be depressed about our situation without having to say all that.

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competing factions is good - competition brings out performance

I want this regime cracked !


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:25 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Less than a week after stepping down as Chairman of Aegis, Harold Mitchell just became Chairman of Free TV. Great coup for FTV. He's intelligent, supremely connected, passionate, respected in the business, arts and sporting communities, energetic, persuasive and attracts people to him.

I'm only saying this to make myself depressed about our situation :lol:

You shoulda asked me. I could have you be depressed about our situation without having to say all that.


Even more. I left out the 'even more'.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:35 pm 
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I hope Sticks speaks up at the president meeting tomorrow.
Let them know what he thinks should happen to Essendon* and remind them of our penalties.


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Eddie wrote:
I hope Sticks speaks up at the president meeting tomorrow.
Let them know what he thinks should happen to Essendon** and remind them of our penalties.



No the correct response would for him to be as sanctimonious as Wayne Jackson and Ron Evans were when they reamed us.

No mention should be made about past illegalities and penalties.

It should be all about the equity of he competition, competing on even playing field, pillars of the AFL competition, and maybe he could slip in a "penalising Essendon* will hurt all of us" with a tear in his eye for good measure. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:42 pm 
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Blues21 wrote:
I think Robert Walls would be an excellent President for us.


Yeah I could see him storming into the coaches box asking Mick why he dragged Gibbs

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:42 am 
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Blues21 wrote:
I think Robert Walls would be an excellent President for us.



The last thing we need is another ex-captain as president, we need a president who has some idea of what it means to run a club in the 21st century, preferably an outsider who has no allegiances at all to anyone involved in the place right now, i don't care whether they are a Carlton person or not, i just want the best possible person to take us forward in the position.


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