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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:58 pm 
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Thank God he didn't re-enact 'that' singing/drinking moment when they handed him a beer. Was half expecting him to do so.


yeah, but he had to use the wife as an excuse not to do so !!

Should've used synbad ???

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:15 am 
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Couldn't stand it when they were saying that in 10 years nobody has not said a bad thing about him. Obviously hairy Gary and two faced Brayshaw haven't been on TC :wink: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:50 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:22 am 
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keogh wrote:
Couldn't stand it when they were saying that in 10 years nobody has not said a bad thing about him. Obviously hairy Gary and two faced Brayshaw haven't been on TC :wink: :lol:


Fits in nicely with the thread title...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:28 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Couldn't stand it when they were saying that in 10 years nobody has not said a bad thing about him. Obviously hairy Gary and two faced Brayshaw haven't been on TC :wink: :lol:


Speaking of Brayshaw, see your team next year mate.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:25 am 
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We should be thankful Sticks appeared on TFS and not On the Couch, where he might have actually been asked something complicated

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:54 pm 
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...meanwhile, Richmond goes past us


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Harold Mitchell was invited to the President's Function on Saturday night. Didn't spend a great deal of time watching the game, but was in the ear of a number of board members.

I would have found that reason to celebrate a number of years ago, but the suits have us in a holding pattern. They're in their own bubble. I have to wonder what many of them are doing there. The funding model is a combination of Visy monies, Pokie money and TV rights. I've come to accept that - though no doubt it's a dangerous one based on recent equalization strategy discussions - and Carlton should have a plan B. Meanwhile, we're one or two sponsors short - but I keep being assured that there is a nice one waiting in the wings for Season 150.

I intend to come to this years AGM with a friendly disposition, but I have many questions I want answered - and they'll get a heads-up from me well beforehand so there'll be little excuse not to answer them.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:14 pm 
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Well great insight Doc and good to hear that maybe we do actually have 1 person willing to put their hand up and go for it.
We have not seen or heard anyone willing to even discuss the president position of late.
It's up to the individual however to get the numbers and challange correctly. I have no issue with Mitchell or anyone else going for the presidency as long as the process is right and it's done in a diplomatic manner.
No blood spill, no in fighting just a good change over for the good of the club.
I'm sure Sticks and the current board wouldn't have an issue with that.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:23 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
It's up to the individual however to get the numbers and challange correctly. I have no issue with Mitchell or anyone else going for the presidency as long as the process is right and it's done in a diplomatic manner.
No blood spill, no in fighting just a good change over for the good of the club.
I'm sure Sticks and the current board wouldn't have an issue with that.

Yeah, right. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:43 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
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It's up to the individual however to get the numbers and challange correctly. I have no issue with Mitchell or anyone else going for the presidency as long as the process is right and it's done in a diplomatic manner.
No blood spill, no in fighting just a good change over for the good of the club.
I'm sure Sticks and the current board wouldn't have an issue with that.

Yeah, right. :roll:


I agree. Maybe the guys challenging aren't the right people for the job. :razz:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:27 pm 
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Caroline Wilson, pretty strong tonight stating that Kernahan will step away if we continue to lose.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:28 pm 
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Caroline Wilson, pretty strong tonight stating that Kernahan will step away if we continue to lose.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:47 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Well great insight Doc and good to hear that maybe we do actually have 1 person willing to put their hand up and go for it.
We have not seen or heard anyone willing to even discuss the president position of late.
It's up to the individual however to get the numbers and challange correctly. I have no issue with Mitchell or anyone else going for the presidency as long as the process is right and it's done in a diplomatic manner.
No blood spill, no in fighting just a good change over for the good of the club.
I'm sure Sticks and the current board wouldn't have an issue with that.


Surrey - I should qualify...in no way do I expect a man such as Harold Mitchell to 'assume' the Presidency. The time has long passed for anything like that to occur. It's a little sad - because there is no one waiting in the wings. No one. Richard Newton and Greg Lee would disagree with me, but what can they bring to the table that differentiates them from Kernahan? Nothing. The president of a football, in my eyes - is more than a figurehead. Much more.

We're entering our 150th year and the board will tell you that the club is 'working hard' and are in 'pretty good shape'. The same lines get trotted out by the same people. They've told themselves so often that they actually believe it. In reality - they have to deliver those lines for sponsors and supporters sake - but I'd much rather the waters not be muddied and they didn't speak in 'half-truths'. "We've chosen a path - we believe it's the right one, but there's a ways to go before we find out whether it is or not" is far more apt.

There isn't anything new coming out of Carlton. It's a stale football club. It breathes off of the fumes of past success. Those fumes only last so long before Carlton people disappear and only return with success. We now have woodwork supporters. Plenty of them. Like Richmond used to have.

And there's a real danger Carlton's risky funding model will soon be intrinsically linked to the Presidency. Regardless of Sticks staying another year or not, Craig Mathieson - nephew of Bruce - is on the Board and there's nothing to suggest he wouldn't have the numbers next time around...whenever that might be. One only has to look at other league Presidents to know that it's probably a good idea that they're successful in business (along with other good attributes). We can criticize Paul Little and David Evans all we like - but they're good businessmen. I wouldn't class Craig Mathieson as a good businessman. Would I invest in his company? No! The debt ratio is woeful!

Then again...float Carlton FC and I wouldn't recommend investment just yet. Speculative stock. Board of Directors doesn't fill me with confidence. Risky model in which to pay off debt. Needs to capatilize on its greatest asset which are it's supporters, but hasn't quite figured out how. And when it comes to Carlton, no one - whether they're involved at the top or not - can't agree on 'how' to make Carlton great again.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:16 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Caroline Wilson, pretty strong tonight stating that Kernahan will step away if we continue to lose.


Should step away even if we were winning. Results are irrelevant. Time to move on Sticks.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:36 pm 
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Pickle wrote:
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Caroline Wilson, pretty strong tonight stating that Kernahan will step away if we continue to lose.


Should step away even if we were winning. Results are irrelevant. Time to move on Sticks.


It's all very well Sticks stepping away - but surely they have a succession plan for an interim President....surely??! :? And surely it's not a board member with a struggling business whose tenure has been less than a year whose benevolent uncle is the sole reason he sits on that board?? Surely...? :? :banghead:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:19 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Pickle wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Caroline Wilson, pretty strong tonight stating that Kernahan will step away if we continue to lose.


Should step away even if we were winning. Results are irrelevant. Time to move on Sticks.


It's all very well Sticks stepping away - but surely they have a succession plan for an interim President....surely??! :? And surely it's not a board member with a struggling business whose tenure has been less than a year whose benevolent uncle is the sole reason he sits on that board?? Surely...? :? :banghead:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:22 pm 
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Pickle wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Caroline Wilson, pretty strong tonight stating that Kernahan will step away if we continue to lose.


Should step away even if we were winning. Results are irrelevant. Time to move on Sticks.



Exactly right - it should have nothing to do with winning a few games - it's the long term direction and leadership that we are lacking and must get right now - or else we'll be sitting here in 3 years time and Melbourne will have gone past us too !!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:36 pm 
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Exactly right - it should have nothing to do with winning a few games - it's the long term direction and leadership that we are lacking and must get right now - or else we'll be sitting here in 3 years time and Melbourne will have gone past us too !!!!


Ok...but what's the next step? You can't :clap: Sticks' removal as President if there's no one stepping in providing 'long term direction and leadership'...doesn't exist on the current board. Newton and Lee would continue the status quo.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:16 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Andyblue wrote:
Exactly right - it should have nothing to do with winning a few games - it's the long term direction and leadership that we are lacking and must get right now - or else we'll be sitting here in 3 years time and Melbourne will have gone past us too !!!!


Ok...but what's the next step? You can't :clap: Sticks' removal as President if there's no one stepping in providing 'long term direction and leadership'...doesn't exist on the current board. Newton and Lee would continue the status quo.



You are right - Newton would. Not that sure that Lee would be.


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