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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:28 am 
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html

tough assessment on Walks. was ravaged by injury for years, but since he's got his body right, he has been pretty good for us, in a number of positions. hard to find fault with the rest of Lyon's article.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:10 am 
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Blue Revival wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html

tough assessment on Walks. was ravaged by injury for years, but since he's got his body right, he has been pretty good for us, in a number of positions. hard to find fault with the rest of Lyon's article.

I guess he isn't a superstar and u hope to get one with top 2 pick

That said in a crap draft he's a good pick


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:25 am 
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he is our best player... so im not sure what more you can ask for with any pick in any draft....

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:38 am 
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he is our best player... so im not sure what more you can ask for with any pick in any draft....


I'd say he is one of our best for sure, exactly what every club would want in a footballer. Fitness, endurance, hard at the contest, versatile, skilful and 100% committed in keeping his fitness and body in shape.

And to think we nearly traded him a few years back, could you imagine who we would have traded/recruited in the draft for his selection??? Who ever it was would more than likely be playing at Preston.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:31 am 
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Blue Revival wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html

tough assessment on Walks. was ravaged by injury for years, but since he's got his body right, he has been pretty good for us, in a number of positions. hard to find fault with the rest of Lyon's article.


I'm with :thumbsup: you

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:35 am 
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O agree what Lyon has to say about Kreuzer.

We all know he's super competitive...but that makes up for his shortfalls? Nup.

For Big Kahuna it does...Kreuzer needs to break the mould he's in.

He needs to start marking like ruckmen do.
He needs to kick more goals than he does, so his kicking needs to straighten up and hold his marks to give himself an opportunity.

I have a good feeling about Kreuzer's future, but atm I'm pretty disappointed in him, but because Warnock and Hampson have turned out to be duds we have no other ruckman to turn to other than Kreuzer, hence why he's "untouchable"?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:18 am 
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Effes wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-blues-and-tigers-face-dangerous-weeks-after-shocking-round-15-losses/story-fni5f5nx-1226678649171


Damning stats...
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In the past four games, the Blues have punished just 16 per cent of opposition turnovers with a score, the second-lowest percentage of any team.

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The Blues have trailed at three-quarter time on six occasions this season and have failed to finish in front in any of these games.

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Carlton has the second-worst kicking efficiency in the defensive 50 this season, again, a worrying trend.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:51 am 
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I'd like to see a thread devoted to people letting the rest of us know what Mick Malthouse thinks/does/what they think he does.

What does Mick think about the DRS system?
Where would Mick take this season of Offspring?
How would Mick reform the ALP?

I've never known someone so prominent and successful to be so predictable.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:07 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
Synbad wrote:
he is our best player... so im not sure what more you can ask for with any pick in any draft....


I'd say he is one of our best for sure, exactly what every club would want in a footballer. Fitness, endurance, hard at the contest, versatile, skilful and 100% committed in keeping his fitness and body in shape.

And to think we nearly traded him a few years back, could you imagine who we would have traded/recruited in the draft for his selection??? Who ever it was would more than likely be playing at Preston.


Hardly the point. It may have been the wrong call on Walker but it's our responsibility to pick well in the draft. You win some and you lose some but the idea is to win more than you lose. For every Walker there is a Whitnall, Thornton, etc that we should have traded when we had the chance.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:40 pm 
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Hardly the point. It may have been the wrong call on Walker but it's our responsibility to pick well in the draft. You win some and you lose some but the idea is to win more than you lose. For every Walker there is a Whitnall, Thornton, etc that we should have traded when we had the chance.



Great point you make.

I'd be hopeless at letting them go as have been Carlton in the past.

Hopefully MM doesn't find the exercise difficult.

I'd love to have some luck go our way for a change....we've paid our penance

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:41 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html


This is a good article from Lyon that sums up Carlton's situation accurately.

Gibbs needs to be given some lee-way though as has been placed as a half-back flanker for most of his career.

If Walker can get an All-Australian/top 3 in the B&F you could almost give him a pass mark as well. Almost.


Lyon's comparison of Kreuzer with Melbourne's Jack Fitzpatrick was damning. The stats for Kreuzer were 12, 3 & 8. 12- Average for Kreuzer of 12 possessions, best return 3 goals and 8 marks. Fitzpatrick has already kicked 4 and had 8 marks. Ouch.

Corey McKernan (a champion of the game no doubt but at the end of his career when at Carlton) his stats are far better than Kreuzer's..but at least Kreuzer's stats are better than Mark Porter's and Barnaby French's.


..and..?.. ..Fev never kicked more than 9 goals in a match, tom lynch has kicked 10, does that make him even close to fev's ability..?.. ..in regards to avg stats over a career, and then using avg's as opposed to a player's high stats in a single game.. ..it's ludicrous.. ..it's not damning, it's selective.. ..krooz's 3 goals kicked were match winning hauls.. ..even a hack will have a day where he's kicked to well.. ..bentick had 40 touches vs the pies once, we've seen plenty of top mids never get 40 touches, how does that even remotely compare..?..

..the thing with krooz, is [like judd] he's busting his gut cos he's surrounded by slackers.. ..he's not racking up the high mark numbers that ppl seem to expect from him, cos he's doing the grunt inside work to cover for soft mids.. ..and, as i've said before, ruckmen don't rack up huge numbers of marks.. ..rucks being used as fwds ought not to then be compared to ruckmen that are actually rucking, which is another point..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:27 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
O agree what Lyon has to say about Kreuzer.

We all know he's super competitive...but that makes up for his shortfalls? Nup.

For Big Kahuna it does...Kreuzer needs to break the mould he's in.

He needs to start marking like ruckmen do.
He needs to kick more goals than he does, so his kicking needs to straighten up and hold his marks to give himself an opportunity.

I have a good feeling about Kreuzer's future, but atm I'm pretty disappointed in him, but because Warnock and Hampson have turned out to be duds we have no other ruckman to turn to other than Kreuzer, hence why he's "untouchable"?


..i'll grade everyone fairly, and objectively.. ..let's take a look at what you call Krooz's shortcomings, and see how they actually measure up.. ..and remember with Krooz's avg's this year there's the cats game where he got injured very early that will skew the avgs a little, so his avg stats are a fraction better than listed..

..you think he needs to start marking like ruckmen do.. ..this i'm especially interested in.. ..in regards to marks per game, the best for avg marks this season is Cox with 5.1, the worst is Giles with 1.2.. ..Krooz avg's 3.6, others allegedly better than him are Minson 1.6, Goldy 3.2, Jacobs 3.3, Pike 3, Leuey 3.3, Jamar 2.3, Mummy 2.5 and NicNat 2.7..

..supposedly Krooz isn't a good enough contested mark.. ..again, let's take a look at him and some of the others talked up as being stronger in their marking ability.. ..Krooz avg's 1.3 contested marks per game.. ..Minson 0.8, Goldy 0.9, Jacobs 0.7.. ..Leuey 0.8, Jamar 1.1, Mummy 1.1, Maric 0.8, Ryder 1.1, Jolly 1..

..isn't as dangerous as other rucks up fwd.. ..ok, we'll again look at his marking inside 50, and also his goal kicking ability.. ..Krooz avg's 1.4 marks inside 50.. ..the only peers that are around the same are Bellchambers with 1.7 and Hale with 1.5.. ..his peers avg's for marks inside 50 are Minson 0.2, Goldy 0.2, Jacobs 0.2, Cox 0.9.. ..Pike 1.1, Leuey 0.4, Giles 0.1, Jamar 0.2, McEvoy 0.3, Mummy 0.5.. ..Maric 0.5, Ryder 0.5, NicNat 0.8, Jolly 0.6..

..his goal kicking ability is avg across the peer group, but he can do better as the high behinds attest to [in regards to him having the opportunity, but not converting], with his marking fwd and crumbing ability he gets plenty of shots on goal, it's just he went thru a few games where he had the yips, not something that is usual with him.. ..we know he can do better in this regard, all players go thru periods where they may be a bit off their game in some aspect, it's not a case of him not being capable however..

..the thing is, i seriously believe everyone either expects far too much of Krooz, or they think other rucks are doing it a lot better.. ..i belie e Krooz can still get better, i think ppl dont realise the setback of that ACL, and the fact that he's still quite young for a ruck, not long 24 with a blown knee during that period.. ..he's 22/23 in ruck years due to the setback, he's doing very well.. ..100 games already for a ruckman so young that's blown a knee out [badly].. ..it's actually a very good return, but ppl see the number 1 tag and gods only know what they expect so quickly for a tall..

..seriously, look at other rucks and kpps, and show me who's done better than krooz by his age and keep in mind the blown knee.. ..even without the blown knee he's in very good company..

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Donstuie wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-blues-and-tigers-face-dangerous-weeks-after-shocking-round-15-losses/story-fni5f5nx-1226678649171


Damning stats...
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In the past four games, the Blues have punished just 16 per cent of opposition turnovers with a score, the second-lowest percentage of any team.

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The Blues have trailed at three-quarter time on six occasions this season and have failed to finish in front in any of these games.

*******

Carlton has the second-worst kicking efficiency in the defensive 50 this season, again, a worrying trend.



Roos lost me with "if they had traded some early picks, might have won a premiership by now".
Which year(s) Paul? What players are you thinking of?
What a piece of unaccountable nonsense.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:56 pm 
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And those slagging off the selection of Walker :

Priority 1 Adam Cooney West Adelaide Football Club Western Bulldogs
Priority 2 Andrew Walker Bendigo Diggers Carlton
Priority 3 Colin Sylvia Bendigo Diggers Melbourne
1 4 Farren Ray Peel Thunder Football Club Western Bulldogs
1 5 Brock McLean Calder Cannons Melbourne
1 6 Kepler Bradley West Perth Football Club Essendon*
1 7 Kane Tenace Murray Bushrangers Geelong
1 8 Raphael Clarke St. Mary's Football Club St. Kilda
1 9 David Trotter Calder Cannons Kangaroos
1 10 Ryley Dunn Murray Bushrangers Fremantle
1 11 Beau Waters West Adelaide Football Club West Coast Eagles
1 12 Ryan Murphy Gippsland Power Fremantle
1 13 Brent Stanton Northern Knights Essendon*
1 14 Fergus Watts Sandringham Dragons Adelaide Crows
1 15 Troy Chaplin North Ballarat Rebels Port Adelaide
1 16 Josh Willoughby Glenelg Football Club Sydney Swans
1 17 Billy Morrison Tassie Mariners Collingwood
1 18 Llane Spaanderman East Perth Football Club Brisbane Lions
2 19 David Mundy Murray Bushrangers Fremantle
2 20 Sam Butler Central District Bulldogs West Coast Eagles

Lot of names I've never even heard of.
Think we did ok with that pick.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:22 pm 
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And those slagging off the selection of Walker :

Priority 1 Adam Cooney West Adelaide Football Club Western Bulldogs
Priority 2 Andrew Walker Bendigo Diggers Carlton
Priority 3 Colin Sylvia Bendigo Diggers Melbourne
1 4 Farren Ray Peel Thunder Football Club Western Bulldogs
1 5 Brock McLean Calder Cannons Melbourne
1 6 Kepler Bradley West Perth Football Club Essendon*
1 7 Kane Tenace Murray Bushrangers Geelong
1 8 Raphael Clarke St. Mary's Football Club St. Kilda
1 9 David Trotter Calder Cannons Kangaroos
1 10 Ryley Dunn Murray Bushrangers Fremantle
1 11 Beau Waters West Adelaide Football Club West Coast Eagles
1 12 Ryan Murphy Gippsland Power Fremantle
1 13 Brent Stanton Northern Knights Essendon*
1 14 Fergus Watts Sandringham Dragons Adelaide Crows
1 15 Troy Chaplin North Ballarat Rebels Port Adelaide
1 16 Josh Willoughby Glenelg Football Club Sydney Swans
1 17 Billy Morrison Tassie Mariners Collingwood
1 18 Llane Spaanderman East Perth Football Club Brisbane Lions
2 19 David Mundy Murray Bushrangers Fremantle
2 20 Sam Butler Central District Bulldogs West Coast Eagles

Lot of names I've never even heard of.
Think we did ok with that pick.


Great work.

Proves everything. Our Tex is the real Tex. The real good one.

Machine.

Only like Mundy in that list.

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And those slagging off the selection of Walker :

Priority 1 Adam Cooney West Adelaide Football Club Western Bulldogs
Priority 2 Andrew Walker Bendigo Diggers Carlton
Priority 3 Colin Sylvia Bendigo Diggers Melbourne
1 4 Farren Ray Peel Thunder Football Club Western Bulldogs
1 5 Brock McLean Calder Cannons Melbourne
1 6 Kepler Bradley West Perth Football Club Essendon*
1 7 Kane Tenace Murray Bushrangers Geelong
1 8 Raphael Clarke St. Mary's Football Club St. Kilda
1 9 David Trotter Calder Cannons Kangaroos
1 10 Ryley Dunn Murray Bushrangers Fremantle
1 11 Beau Waters West Adelaide Football Club West Coast Eagles
1 12 Ryan Murphy Gippsland Power Fremantle
1 13 Brent Stanton Northern Knights Essendon*
1 14 Fergus Watts Sandringham Dragons Adelaide Crows
1 15 Troy Chaplin North Ballarat Rebels Port Adelaide
1 16 Josh Willoughby Glenelg Football Club Sydney Swans
1 17 Billy Morrison Tassie Mariners Collingwood
1 18 Llane Spaanderman East Perth Football Club Brisbane Lions
2 19 David Mundy Murray Bushrangers Fremantle
2 20 Sam Butler Central District Bulldogs West Coast Eagles

Lot of names I've never even heard of.
Think we did ok with that pick.

That is a putrid draft. Is spanderman the big ruckman who went down the angwin development path?

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Yep. Pretty sure he was well known for getting slammed into lockers by J.Brown on more than the odd occassion.

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