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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:39 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Yes, great stuff.
Just go out there and win.
I dont know why we didn't think about that before?

melb thinking the same thing for 50 years
richmond for 30

JUST go out there and win... :yikes:

thats real sticks talk...

the team is a reflection of the club

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:23 pm 
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Just go out there and win...

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:38 am 
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over the years ive pointed out what i believe.. but what do YOU people believe needs happening for this club to turn itself around from being the next Melbourne Footy Club?

What needs to be done starting right now!!???

Does this mean you will confine your get rid of the board and have an outside review etc etc rants to one thread or will we see you doing it everywhere as usual?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:58 am 
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If anyone needs convincing the board needs changing and that the Pratts and Sticks have to go look at this
they have been part of
sacking coaches with at least 3 years to go on their contracts
are in debt in millions
one final win in 12 years

if those 3 things don't convince you the top at working then what does
shambolic


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:44 am 
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keogh wrote:
If anyone needs convincing the board needs changing and that the Pratts and Sticks have to go look at this
they have been part of
sacking coaches with at least 3 years to go on their contracts
are in debt in millions
one final win in 12 years

if those 3 things don't convince you the top at working then what does
shambolic


Hang on a minute Keogh...

- Pagan and Ratten were both given marching orders with one year remaining on their contract.
- 'Getting rid of' the Pratts means losing $1.7 million per year in sponsorship alone. Not a wise move.

- You're right...the debt is of great concern, but they've undertaken to adopt a model (albeit a risky model) to relieve that debt and that's a decision they've got to live with. That debt was inherited debt mind you...let's not blame the current board for inherited debt.

If you want a reduction in the board (which I do), then Sticks needs to convince current board members like Gleeson, Clarke, Geminder, Fried and LoGiudice to stand down. They've run their race and I think each of these aforementioned gentlemen know it. This would leave 8 board members. Kernahan, Pratt, Newton, Fahour, Lee, Mathieson, Trainor and Sayers.

Then you ask Harold Mitchell (very nicely) if he'd consider coming on as a Director with a key role to Chair an 'Advisory' board. A group of Carlton supporting professionals viewed as incumbent board members who get a feel for the club at board level, don't have to put in the hours of a normal Director but meet quarterly and can hit the ground running when they do step up to be board members.

Andy Penn (CFO Telstra), Ian Herman (Managing Partner, Grant Thornton), Stephen Kerr (Vice President, State Library of Victoria; Owner/CEO, Public Relations Exchange), Mark Kerr (Director, Berkeley Consultants), Grant O'Brien (CEO, Woolworths) are such people.

I think this is a no-brainer. But I sense the current board wouldn't go for it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:16 am 
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Getting rid of the Pratts is not 1.7 mill per season ... no way.... closer to maybe 450k... including the "philanthropy is fun memberships"

but in all seriousness are they sponsoring us (which is a very nice tax deduction actually)... for 2 seats on the board alone?
Why didnt Mars have their kids on the board also??.. and a child from one of the honchos from optus???

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:19 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Synbad wrote:
over the years ive pointed out what i believe.. but what do YOU people believe needs happening for this club to turn itself around from being the next Melbourne Footy Club?

What needs to be done starting right now!!???

Does this mean you will confine your get rid of the board and have an outside review etc etc rants to one thread or will we see you doing it everywhere as usual?
:confused:



Will you call me a liar and then backtrack your lil legs as fast as they go.....because you dont know what youre talking about again???

if yes... i shall!!!... just to giggle at you ... :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:02 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
keogh wrote:
If anyone needs convincing the board needs changing and that the Pratts and Sticks have to go look at this
they have been part of
sacking coaches with at least 3 years to go on their contracts
are in debt in millions
one final win in 12 years

if those 3 things don't convince you the top at working then what does
shambolic


Hang on a minute Keogh...

- Pagan and Ratten were both given marching orders with one year remaining on their contract.
- 'Getting rid of' the Pratts means losing $1.7 million per year in sponsorship alone. Not a wise move.

- You're right...the debt is of great concern, but they've undertaken to adopt a model (albeit a risky model) to relieve that debt and that's a decision they've got to live with. That debt was inherited debt mind you...let's not blame the current board for inherited debt.

If you want a reduction in the board (which I do), then Sticks needs to convince current board members like Gleeson, Clarke, Geminder, Fried and LoGiudice to stand down. They've run their race and I think each of these aforementioned gentlemen know it. This would leave 8 board members. Kernahan, Pratt, Newton, Fahour, Lee, Mathieson, Trainor and Sayers.

Then you ask Harold Mitchell (very nicely) if he'd consider coming on as a Director with a key role to Chair an 'Advisory' board. A group of Carlton supporting professionals viewed as incumbent board members who get a feel for the club at board level, don't have to put in the hours of a normal Director but meet quarterly and can hit the ground running when they do step up to be board members.

Andy Penn (CFO Telstra), Ian Herman (Managing Partner, Grant Thornton), Stephen Kerr (Vice President, State Library of Victoria; Owner/CEO, Public Relations Exchange), Mark Kerr (Director, Berkeley Consultants), Grant O'Brien (CEO, Woolworths) are such people.

I think this is a no-brainer. But I sense the current board wouldn't go for it.



Facts are facts Getting Ratten and Pagan was wrong in the first place
I hate seeing my club [REDACTED] up
Don't care about the other points of view
I am past that
Just @#$%&! off sticks and pratts
Both are now parasites to the CFC


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:47 pm 
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Rocco Iguana wrote:
After the next election KRudd will be available, anyone who looks like a character from South Park has got my vote !


He does, doesn't he, and Julia was straight out of Dr. Seuss. Having said that, Abbott looks like Pinocchio possessed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:48 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Facts are facts Getting Ratten and Pagan was wrong in the first place
I hate seeing my club !@#$%& up
Don't care about the other points of view
I am past that
Just !@#$%& off sticks and pratts
Both are now parasites to the CFC


You want them to leave, but you've no Plan B. Carlton must have a Plan B. And if that Plan B is Sticks departing at the end of 2014 (leaving little if any legacy), Richard Newton assuming the Presidency in 2015 and then Bruce Mathieson running the club through his nephew assuming the Presidency - then I really don't see how this club gets any better...

Alas...we might be here in 2018 saying the same thing. I'll be advocating an 'Advisory Board' to the 9-person Board and a strategic plan that focuses on delivery on opportunity rather than fantasy - and you'll be advocating that the Pratts and Mathiesons @#$%&! off!

I can only speak for me - but if we go down the Sticks, Newton, Craig Mathieson path...I'll be done.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:54 pm 
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We need them to take the acid test and see if they can survive it.

I dont expect our season to be great in any real hurry... so we need to put the club in a situation where it must agree to take an in dependent assesment from top to bottom

the more they disagree .. the more we should insist... taking it to the media... and putting them in a pressure cooker situation.

the AFL is under the pump on Essendon*.. they would love to divert some attention away from one of their premier licencees on the brink and focus abit on Carlton.

Personally i believe as this season continues to go pear shaped pressure is brought upon the club to check in for a medical.

Sticks loves flying under the radar.. because he knows in the spotlight hes [REDACTED]!!!

id love H Mitchell to be approached.. and as things stand he wont be...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:20 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Hang on a minute Keogh...

- Pagan and Ratten were both given marching orders with one year remaining on their contract.
- 'Getting rid of' the Pratts means losing $1.7 million per year in sponsorship alone. Not a wise move.

- You're right...the debt is of great concern, but they've undertaken to adopt a model (albeit a risky model) to relieve that debt and that's a decision they've got to live with. That debt was inherited debt mind you...let's not blame the current board for inherited debt.

If you want a reduction in the board (which I do), then Sticks needs to convince current board members like Gleeson, Clarke, Geminder, Fried and LoGiudice to stand down. They've run their race and I think each of these aforementioned gentlemen know it. This would leave 8 board members. Kernahan, Pratt, Newton, Fahour, Lee, Mathieson, Trainor and Sayers.

Then you ask Harold Mitchell (very nicely) if he'd consider coming on as a Director with a key role to Chair an 'Advisory' board. A group of Carlton supporting professionals viewed as incumbent board members who get a feel for the club at board level, don't have to put in the hours of a normal Director but meet quarterly and can hit the ground running when they do step up to be board members.

Andy Penn (CFO Telstra), Ian Herman (Managing Partner, Grant Thornton), Stephen Kerr (Vice President, State Library of Victoria; Owner/CEO, Public Relations Exchange), Mark Kerr (Director, Berkeley Consultants), Grant O'Brien (CEO, Woolworths) are such people.

I think this is a no-brainer. But I sense the current board wouldn't go for it.


Finally some sense and logical method of processes. :clap:
No ranting or raving about coups or challanges, etc..... :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:31 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Hang on a minute Keogh...

- Pagan and Ratten were both given marching orders with one year remaining on their contract.
- 'Getting rid of' the Pratts means losing $1.7 million per year in sponsorship alone. Not a wise move.

- You're right...the debt is of great concern, but they've undertaken to adopt a model (albeit a risky model) to relieve that debt and that's a decision they've got to live with. That debt was inherited debt mind you...let's not blame the current board for inherited debt.

If you want a reduction in the board (which I do), then Sticks needs to convince current board members like Gleeson, Clarke, Geminder, Fried and LoGiudice to stand down. They've run their race and I think each of these aforementioned gentlemen know it. This would leave 8 board members. Kernahan, Pratt, Newton, Fahour, Lee, Mathieson, Trainor and Sayers.

Then you ask Harold Mitchell (very nicely) if he'd consider coming on as a Director with a key role to Chair an 'Advisory' board. A group of Carlton supporting professionals viewed as incumbent board members who get a feel for the club at board level, don't have to put in the hours of a normal Director but meet quarterly and can hit the ground running when they do step up to be board members.

Andy Penn (CFO Telstra), Ian Herman (Managing Partner, Grant Thornton), Stephen Kerr (Vice President, State Library of Victoria; Owner/CEO, Public Relations Exchange), Mark Kerr (Director, Berkeley Consultants), Grant O'Brien (CEO, Woolworths) are such people.

I think this is a no-brainer. But I sense the current board wouldn't go for it.


Finally some sense and logical method of processes. :clap:
No ranting or raving about coups or challanges, etc..... :thumbsup:



So Surrey.... you think its logical to bring in a board to keep watch on whats left of the existing board..and harold will come in and keep an eye on the remnants of the old board.....???.. and thats good cos we dont have a board thats functional....

and all that makes good sense to you does it?? :lol:

Trim the numbers down and then have a parallel board with another 6 guys running concurrently... 2 boards.

Why would you need two boards if the priginal board was doing a grand job???

Cant see a clash here?.....

Really were bringing up all this nonsense because the board is crapola!!!.... and we cant move them on easily...

As if H Mitchell is going to be involved in supervising a board with an ex player .. 2 VPS one of wich is the widow of the former president....

I think you blokes better wake up!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:51 am 
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you dont need a good prez

if youre really crap the afl will look after u

let it flow.....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Docsherrin ggod plan. But who will sell it; otherwise it is just a plan gathering dust!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:11 pm 
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Docsherrin ggod plan. But who will sell it; otherwise it is just a plan gathering dust!

The destiny of most plans....that's life....sadly for the great plans.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:14 pm 
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There's nothing wrong about an independent club review.

do the results become public or acted upon within.

Conundrum

Nevertheless have a very deep review and diet on with the plan for 20 by 2020: suits me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:31 pm 
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Why would you want the pratt's to leave, they contribute. They assist and network on the clubs behalf. They are not there for their football nous. They should be represented on a 7 seat board. Sticks should go but there isn't anyone who wants to take over. The club has suffered for lack of a passionate leader and remains in a power vacuum


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