Instead of delisting or trading half the list at the end of the year not that I disagree with most of the list you have up there how about we start
dropping some of our precious ones
play fit players
give players a extended and regular time in the seniors
play direct and attacking football
take responsibility for the pathetic performances

If we assume Essendon* are barred from the first two rounds of the draft, and I use a ladder order based on the AFL ladder predictor, this is what the first round of the draft will look like, bearing in mind GWS activated their compensation pick to come in at the end of the non-finalists' first round pick, and Gold Coast activated theirs at the end of the first round.

1> GWS
2> Melbourne
3> Bulldogs
4> St Kilda
5> Gold Coast
6> Carlton
7> Lions
8> West Coast
9> GWS
10> Port Adelaide
11> North Melbourne
12> Richmond
13> Collingwood
14> Fremantle
15> Geelong
16> Sydney
17> Hawthorn
18> Gold Coast

This would give clubs the following picks in the first 3 rounds:

Adelaide: 43
Brisbane: 7, 25, 41
Carlton: 6, 24, 40
Collingwood: 13, 30, 47
Essendon*: 48
Fremantle, 14, 31, 49
Geelong: 15, 32, 50
Gold Coast: 5, 18, 23, 39
GWS: 1, 9, 19, 35
Hawthorn: 17, 34, 52
Melbourne: 2, 20, 36
North Melbourne: 11, 28, 45
Port Adelaide: 10, 27, 44
Richmond: 12, 29, 46
St Kilda: 4, 22, 38
Sydney: 16, 33, 51
West Coast: 8, 26, 42
Western Bulldogs: 3, 21, 37

My targets in that draft are Gardiner, Hourigan and Salem. Going by that draft order, I think Gardiner could last till 12, depending on what happens with pick 9. I think Hourigan would go to Fremantle with their first pick, Salem could go anywhere from 11-22.

Ergo, I'd trade pick 6 and 24 to GWS for pick 9, 19 and a fringe player (lets say Golds). 9 takes care of Gardiner, 19 may not get Salem, but would still net us a quality mid (Cal Twomey and a few other phantom drafts have Dunstan being the slider).

Chris Yarran to Fremantle for pick 14 would be sufficient for me also, (hell, throw in pick 40 for pick 49 if need be).

Hampson or Warnock to whoever for something 35 onwards would net us Matt Honeychurch.

Looking at that, for the loss of Yarran and one of the back up rucks, we'd net 3 of the best talents in the draft (a key forward, key defender and a quality mid) as well as a very good speculative pick in Honeychurch.

_________________
BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Yarran and Warnock for Patton.

What is a 'complete rebuild', then? Let's not be scared of the term like Elliott was.

_________________
Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Sold

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

at least 19 on the table...

Whether its a "rebuild" or whatever changes and some very tough decisions need to be made.


The CORE Players I would keep would be:

Gibbs Murphy Judd Simpson Henderson McInnes Graham Menzel Tuohy Walker Bootsma Carrazzo Kruezer.


As far as I am concerned the rest are all up for discussion.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I'd want to keep Garlett too - the three amigos are too much for one forward line, but this kid has a nice reading of the game and the kind of skill level you can't teach. If we had a proper KPF to feed off he could be brilliant.

x 1 million

my Celtics this off season have totally blown their team to pieces for the rebuild

and i personally cant wait until next season to watch it all unfold

1 thing the AFL should consider is the ability to trade future draft picks

_________________
*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

How many Premierships have been won with these types of players in the last 10 years?

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I'm sold too....don't think it'll work though.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I don't mind having the 3 Amigos on board, but I don't want them all in the forward line at the same time.

Didn't mind Yarran as a HBF.
Don't mind Betts and Garlett in the forwardline.
Need 2 strong KPF's to crumb from and who will send the fear of god into the opposition and 2 strong bodied marking forwards along with them...Menzel should be one..he shows aggression and willingness for the contest and has class.

We need hard bodies with no fear but must have class to do something with the nut when they get it.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I'm not.

Same people bemoaning the quick fix scenario are the same advocating trading two senior players for a highly touted kid who's had two serious knee injuries before turning 20, and yet to really show anything.

Get as many picks in the top 20, maybe even 30 as we can. This drafting gig looks bloody easy when you've got a decent sample of data to play hit and miss with, rather than the standard formula of "3 picks a year, one we use on a mature rookie, or 4 if we want to draft a speculatively shit 17 year old late"

_________________
BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

With a forward who reads the game well and scores bagloads of goals by crumbing at speed, gathering clean possession and nailing a quick shot? I'd say all of them.

Are you only willing to entertain the idea of 22 complete players? Good luck with that.

For players that have such a say in how we perform as a team, the collective trade value of Garlett and Betts is next to nothing.

Betts being a free agent can leave for nothing. Teams don't pay overs for one trick small forwards either.

_________________
BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

That's what other clubs do and until we get it into our thick heads that near enough is not good enough we will not challenge for a flag.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

i want players with a bit of you-know-what in them. i think the polite term would be to call them "extroverted"

_________________
i don't wanna spend my life explaining myself. Either you get it, or you don't- Frank Zappa

While reluctant to sell the farm I cannot help but think we have to get pick one and Boyd.

Jamison was exposed last as being weak against the power Forwards and his skill or lack thereof was also exposed

Reality is Hendo is the only top quality key tall we have which is an indictment on the club

Simply out we must get more top end KPp talent and doing that is tricky bec they are so hit and miss

Pick 1 isn't even a guarantee when picking KpP - Kreuzer and Watts are examples

But they seem to think Boyd is the real deal so IMo we simply have to get him

Then try and share a good mid with whatever good last pick we have

Now in saying this I don't know anything about the draft this year so it might be we can get a good KpP without selling the farm and if that is so then Id go that route

But geez, you can build a team around a champion FF...

On BigFooty I suggested we needed to use Betts or Yarran as trade bait since I didn't think all three should be playing forward at the same time and was absolutely smashed for it.

Now the commentators said exactly the same thing last night lol

Definitely time for an offload of plenty. Choose the core group who we want to take forward, get the 'spine' right with some trades (i.e. Trading for one of Patton, Cameron or pick #1 to get Boyd) and then build a team around that through the draft. This is what needs to happen. I have confidence that Mick Malthouse would be a great coach to have for the rebuild phase of the club's list.

Of the current regular players I would be keeping:

Walker
Murphy
Gibbs
Judd
Kreuzer
Henderson
McInness
Garlett
Jamison
Casboult
Carrazzo

That list doesn't include rookies and those who haven't really played for us yet (Menzel and Graham etc) and some of those should be kept too.

Throw in a big KPF like Patton or Boyd, and there is your spine of players. Two really good defenders and a young one coming through, Some experienced and skillful midfielders and a big KPF, Casboult and Garlett up forward. The likes of Graham and Menzel are players who can also fit into this group as brand new guys to continue developing. Everyone else has their spot up for grabs by a brand new player if they haven't performed.

_________________
"Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman