Time will tell. Ratts had the players onside after Pagan. Its pretty common thing with a new coach.

Don't think I will ever like the bloke at Carlton but admit he is decent enough coach. I just want him to get the same irrational treatment coaches before him did. Same stupid arguments about how looks like a dumbo when things start to go against us. How he hasn't got the moves to stop momentum.
Funny how the ones who made them calls last year are the same calling them silly calls this year.

Anyway I have apologized to a few on here via pm about going a bit over the top in an attempt to prove that point and while I have any others attention here I would like to say sorry for pushing it pretty hard to the point I a wasn't sure if I believed my own arguments. Good fun but started getting a few offside.

As for being a weirdo Synbad, we are all a bunch of grown men arguing about footy on a fansite. I think that makes us all a pack of sad wierdos !

For me it's not that I like Ratts it's more I really don't like Malthouse. Would be happy if he retired tomorrow.[/quote]
lol ..... lol

mate u crack me up......

u wanna stick the TV week centre page poster of our coach up on your wall ya????

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I think we're all passionate about the club and just want us to be successful again like years gone by. We all have our opinions and they will differ from time to time. Pretty boring if we all agreed. I don't think I would read the forum let alone post on it.

lol ..... lol

mate u crack me up......

u wanna stick the TV week centre page poster of our coach up on your wall ya????[/quote]

Nothing to do with Ratts. Could have been anyone copping that treatment last year and I would be still hoping for equal treatment.
I am sure you will come around to wanting Mick gone at some point. This time I got in first. That will probably take the fun out of it for you so maybe I shouldn't be so sure.

i might want mick gone... but right now im happy.. compared to the amateur we had beforehand...

how people thin he was hard done by is beyond me....

this might come as a surprise.. but his mates necked him... his own mates thought he was shit...the same mates that hired him over more legit guys...

then he couldnt get the port job.... and he wont coach senior footy again....

malthouse would have been given another gig even at his age...

and the mess he has been left to deal with... phewwww!!!

and yeah if malthouse cant do it he goes too....!!!... but really sticks and co should go anyway!!!

call me a hater..!!!.. i dont care...!!!...

but i dont hate cos i dont like the personaity... like u and malthouse.. cos it cant be achievement driven...

i hate then cos theyre dumb and shit !!!.. and keeping the cub mediocre.

right now.. malthouse is one of the few who has achieved in his current position .. around our club...


same cant be said about president .. and administrators

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[quote="club29"]I just want him to get the same irrational treatment coaches before him did. Same stupid arguments about how looks like a dumbo when things start to go against us. How he hasn't got the moves to stop momentum.

Funny how the ones who made them calls last year are the same calling them silly calls this year. [quote]

Don't worry club Carltonians will skin him alive if he fails our team.

Just remember Ratten didnt cop anything in his first 3 years.

We was commended when he took over the reigns from Pagan....because anything was better than that, plus similarly to Neeld Pagan lost the players. In his 5th year Ratts lost the players. If and when MM stuffs up he's not going to get off lightly. You should know that.

I dont even understand how you could comprehend that MM would get off. Carltonians go on and off players coaches boardmen recruiters retail assistants employees and presidents at the drop of a hat. Youre jumping at shadows, its really embarrassing looking at a former respected pro Carlton poster from the outside.

Just wait for there to be an issue first rather than getting in first of nothing. A big nothing.

MM misred where the team was at in the first 3 weeks. He had to find out in the real thing. They lost games in the preseason and won against Freo Crows just and GWS just. How you could expect him to know our bunch of intraverts from an Arizona trip and from other coaches interpretations....baffles me. Thats why you calls are seen as silly right now. You cant see it.

The Saints loss is the one, despie being only 9 points and missing Waite through suspension was the players' fault because they had to do the business, but surely MM should've had them chomping at the bit for revenge after what they did to Ratts' career last time we played them, let alone to our clubs reputation. Since then I dont blame much on MM. I truly believe the players are a bit soft and havent been condidioned to apply themslves for the full 100 minutes, but thats the personnel he's inmherited.

Its only 12 weeks into a 3 year contract. Ratts had 5. Coaches wear out by the end of that period without success.

Guarantee you MM will be working for his $ and we'll be asking for the pound of flesh when Judd Scotto Carrazzo and Simmo are gone in his 3rd and final year of his contract...and maybe Waite too.....but I bet we'll be a better team then than we are in 2011,12 or 13.

You'll just have to wait and seen and hope he does well for our team...and we're a powerhouse again....can happen you know.

Take a deep breath.

MM might help us win a flag during his tenure. He has done it before.
We live in hope and have more reasons to live in hope in 2013 than we did in 2012.

Stop jumping at shadows and enjoy the ride, and you brethren.

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Yep. Where they played as juniors FFS !

I said Ratts had had long enough to get a better results than he did last year and was happy for him to be shifted out. So you don't have to convince me of that.

I presume you mean you are embarrassed for me for being a bit pissed off with Malthouse carrying on like a pork chop about the umpires last week. That one we will have to agree to disagree. I think he lacked class and came across as a muttering old fool you think it showed he cared and will fight for the club. We can move on.

Good point that Carlton folk will turn on him soon enough. I will wait it out.

I will pull my head in and be as reasonable as I can from here on. If I do identify something that I think he did or is doing wrong I will have a go. Don't immediately go to Ratts to argue a point with me. Ratts is gone. Its done.

I won't pull things out of thin air like closed training sessions as reasons to dislike the guy but I will get pissed off if he keeps sooking in the media after losses.

You must have failed reading comprehension MJ.

Read the posts again.

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Why should Malthouse be given 5 years?

He's a million dollar coach and Ratten wasn't.
He's a premiership coach and ratten wasn't.
His players respect him and play for him and Rattens don't.
He's a 30 year experience coach and Ratten wasn't.
He's a great tactician and Ratten wasn't.
He didn't take over a wooden spoon side to rebuild Ratten did.

Ross Lyon is a great coach too who hasn't won a premiership either and had the list at their prime then left them with a dilapidated list and nothing to show for it.
Is that the outcome of giving Malthouse 5 years or is it to rebuild the list that is very competitive and have improved by all accounts by Malthouse fans?
If we are so competitive and haven’t lost by more than 17 points to the best teams and Malthouse has only been in charge for 12 games and still learning the players then by the second half of the year we should be pushing top four and a premiership chance without the need of a rebuild.
That’s going by Malthouse's fans assumptions and the graphical improvement of the group over the past 7 rounds.

If we are in the same position this time next year I would understand the frustration but I cannot understand how some supporters can come on here bitching and moaning from just 12 under a new coach, new structures and game plan.

Those thinking we would come close to playing off for a grand final this year delusional.

This year is all about seeing where mick thinks this playing list is at. Which players he thinks are up for it and which he thinks aren't. Mick and the recruiting staff will try fill in the holes with talent

It's about getting the 'process' right. Finding the right personal. Getting the structures right.

And setting up the 'right' team for 2014 and beyond.

I know a couple of players, and if you could hear them describing what life at CFC is like under Malthouse compared to Ratten you would have nothing to be concerned about.

The boys are starting to believe it can happen for them.

No-one is bitching and moaning trublu.
Majority of supporters are just fed up with being told "we need to rebuild" continuously.
Sick of it infact and we just want CFC to get some respect back and be the club we support.

Couldn't agree more RB.
We know we have decent list to challange, we were told that by the club over the past 2 years.
We got a "premiership coach" because we felt we lacked in that area. No problems with that at all.
But don't make excuses now or come talk about taking us 3 years to build again!
Enough of the bullshit and StKilda mentality.

Despite the 6/6 WL ratio, I actualy feel we ve gained more onfield respect this year than last. Granted we re only half way in but they seem to be playing better footy.

Hey, I'm confused, I would have thought that the ability to improve that extra margin was different depending on circumstances. Silly me.

Who cares if it's two years or five years, crap will still smells of crap. If we don't make significant changes at the end of this year then there'll certainly be a horrible stench wafting through the air. If it happens as many of us suspect, it's then up to the coach and others to start delivering, whether that's instant results or the foreshadowing of future success, who knows. I'm not going to set my hopes on some cliched, black and white notion of how to judge success, especially given what I have always thought of our skills at list management.

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It's going to click for us soon Denim. I feel it as well.
We've been very unlucky, although we didn't help ourselves in some of our loses.
I'm just over everyone continuously paying out on Kernahan / Ratten combo.
Sheep mentaility in here has been frustrating to read of late. There I said it.