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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:09 am 
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This is a momentous time for our club. Finally a coach that doesn't care about reputation and that won't except players who decide when they want to tackle, chase etc. The expectations have been set, you either meet them or you don't play. There are no favourites and no whipping boys like before.

This is long overdue. Refer to Daisy Thomas spending 4 weeks in the VFL when he was dropped by Mick.....he came back a changed player. Let's hope Yaz does the same.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:20 am 
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Jeez.... the arm chair coaching brigade is out in numbers today...... ;-)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:17 am 
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Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


Maybe it's so serious Eric that Mick is backing attitude and team versus self absorption as our best chance of success.

Ps it ain't that serious... Just a game of footy :idea:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:25 am 
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Can Eater wrote:
This is a momentous time for our club. Finally a coach that doesn't care about reputation and that won't except players who decide when they want to tackle, chase etc. The expectations have been set, you either meet them or you don't play. There are no favourites and no whipping boys like before.

This is long overdue. Refer to Daisy Thomas spending 4 weeks in the VFL when he was dropped by Mick.....he came back a changed player. Let's hope Yaz does the same.


I remember Pagan dropping Fevola because of bad body language.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:46 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:37 am 
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The Hawks have a very tall forward line: Roughhead, Franklin, Hale, Gunston.
I hope our midfield can put some pressure on otherwise the Hawks will kick over 20 goals.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:02 am 
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eric pascoe wrote:
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Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


I felt the same way EP, and as some mentioned a niggle, I hoped that was why.
I am keeping an open mind with Mick. I don't like him didn't want him, but I'm going with it, because I support Carlton. I was worried that MMwould dig in on this, and he has. Is it his pride, or is it an unresolved issue? I have to believe that it's for the best, as many here do. Really, we are in the dark about it.
I dislike strongly, the repeated use of 'lazy' when some describe Yaz. It makes me uncomfortable. Maybe Yaz is a burst player, like Waitey.
I was disappointed that he's not in, and feel sick about facing Hawks.
I'm worried about Bootsma, when we could have Yaz, and now some say we might get Rowe to replace Carrots. Geez. I'm close to putting up a page of headbangs, but...
I hold out hope that the coaching staff have a clue, and want to smash these smug pric*s and their smug supporters as much as I do.
I can't even go to the game after last week. Everything hurts..the TV is in grave danger for it's life tonite.
For the record, I reckon Yaz would have played his guts out tonite, lesson learned.
After all, Waitey improved after a blast and a fine. Yaz already had the blast, the humiliation, and has apologised.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:15 am 
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Yarran was sub last week over concerns over his workrate and ability to play 4 quarters.

His attitude last week made it worse. Has been spoken to by leadership group and a positive performance this week should see him back.

A bit of tough love and short term pain now to hopefully benefit in the future.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:29 am 
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Yarran was sub last week over concerns over his workrate and ability to play 4 quarters.

His attitude last week made it worse. Has been spoken to by leadership group and a positive performance this week should see him back.

A bit of tough love and short term pain now to hopefully benefit in the future.


If he only picks and chooses when he goes whilst in a navy blue jumper, he can GAGF. That last play last week let down his teammates and fans alike, it was disgraceful.

Yes, let's hope it's the kick in the butt he needs. If it's not, I'm sure we'll land a nice DESPERATELY NEEDED key forward somewhere when he finds himself on the trade table at year end. Last time we had the cajones to trade out a complex gun we got Hendo and Lucas in return, I like the omen.

A reformed Daisy via free agency to replace Yazz? What an irony.

A hope a 100% fully committed Blues outfit can do us proud tonight - win, lose or draw.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:42 am 
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oh yeah, another thing EP mentioned, and I heard last week, and posted on.
A coaching staff member said on radio, that Yaz had been identified as a forward, and there was no place for him in that role against Bombers. That it was unfotunate.
I couldn't believe it. Yaz is great forward, back, wing and middle.
MM already did the reverse thing with Hendo, and yet Golden Boy gets all the cudos for flipping Hurley and Carlisle.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:58 am 
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Yarran was squeezed out due to our forward structure on the night. Separating the Essendon* defenders, preventing Fletcher dropping back to assist their key backs and containing Hibberd. They didnt have faith in him to play the role required.
Unfortunately the tactic didnt work as we unexpectedly dominated the first quarter and couldnt capitalise with a defensive, dysfunctional forward line. I dont understand why the coaches dont just come out and say they made a mistake and move on. They're more than happy to highlight the players when they underperform.
They tried something, it didnt work early. So be it, move on.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:16 am 
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Imagine I'm like others here who have love-hate attitude to Yarran. His best is sublime but his worst is abysmal. One of the softest players I've seen for awhile. And attitude has always been an issue. Classic downhill skier.
No problem with Mick putting it out there. He needs a kick up the arse and how good would it be to see him have a real crack with Preston?
We can't afford to have players with his class out of the side but hopefully he comes to realise the footy world has labelled him as a sook and one good week in the magoos ain't gunna change that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:16 am 
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Yarran was squeezed out due to our forward structure on the night. Separating the Essendon* defenders, preventing Fletcher dropping back to assist their key backs and containing Hibberd. They didnt have faith in him to play the role required.
Unfortunately the tactic didnt work as we unexpectedly dominated the first quarter and couldnt capitalise with a defensive, dysfunctional forward line. I dont understand why the coaches dont just come out and say they made a mistake and move on. They're more than happy to highlight the players when they underperform.
They tried something, it didnt work early. So be it, move on.


Mistake?

We were winning whilst Yarran was sub. Not saying he's at fault for the loss, but he made a big mistake that lost us the lead and had minimal impact apart from two early kicks in the final quarter.

That doesn't support your argument for starting him.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:18 am 
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Lucas again selected HOW, he has let us down in a lot of areas which MM hasn't mentioned ever in in his post match interviews but mentions others
He needs a break in the two's to get his head banged.

What is Yarran going to gain playing in the 2's. discipline I doubt it. just should have copped a fined.


Agree re Lucas, disagree re Yarran, a fine for players on the money these guys are on is like a slap on the wrist, Malthouse's dropping of Yarran isn't just for Yarran, it is a message that no one is a certainty in the side and that crap and failure to commit 100% is not acceptable, ie: poor attitude = play seconds to get your mind right.

Hopefully this is the start of addressing the mental laziness that the players sometimes show.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:18 am 
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MM wants the three amigos all having the ability to push through the middle and making short impacts on the ball. They are looking at getting some more leg speed around the ball on the outside of McLean, Cachia, Curnow, Ellard, Carrazzo etc. This will also assist in allowing Lucas, Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Robbo to spend time up forward and give us numerous options on ball and up forward.

Unfortunately last week we had Eddie coming back from a break and Yarran's workrate is simply nowhere need good enough yet.

IMO the decision was correct and had nothing to do with our lose last week.

It's about developing a long term top 4 side not just one week.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:29 am 
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just dont be surprised when carrots doesnt get up for tonight and yarran gets a reprieve.....

...as sub

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:31 am 
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MIL wrote:
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CARLTON

FB: Mitch Robinson - Michael Jamison - Lachie Henderson
HB: Zach Tuohy - Dennis Armfield - Josh Bootsma
C: Andrew Carrazzo - Chris Judd - Kade Simpson
HF: Ed Curnow - Andrew Walker - Jeff Garlett
FF: Brock McLean - Jarrad Waite - Matthew Kreuzer
R: Levi Casboult - Marc Murphy - Heath Scotland

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Bryce Gibbs - Kane Lucas - Eddie Betts - Jaryd Cachia

EMERGENCIES
Chris Yarran - Sam Rowe - Simon White


interesting. So Ed Curnow gets a game ahead of Chris Yarran. Has Yarran peed on a shop window, hung out with criminals, rocked up pissed to training or comitted a crime ?

Last week's decision to play him as the sub was I thought the worst selection decision I've seen since I started following Carlton in 1969 (as a 6yo) and probably cost us the game. I can only guess that Yazz did something during last week to upset MM, and now he's dropped for sooking.

Thumping guaranteed now, but for Yazz I suppose an even bigger lesson learned, something akin to the message that Waite got when he cost us the game when he was suspended.


In Mick we must trust - there's no alternative.


Mil, you are the same age as me and we have been watching Carlton for a lot of years, I can remember when players were dropped when they didn't perform and it didn't matter who they were, this is something that has been missing from the game for a long long time, it's called earn your spot.

With the money in footy these days and the game being more entertainment than sport the "earn your spot" criteria seems to have gone the way of the dodo, same as come back from injury through the reserves, this hasn't been a good thing for clubs or players, we live in an age of instant everything and kids these days expect every thing to happen instantly it is the curse of the Y generation, by allowing these things to happen we are doing these kids a disservice and affecting their development into responsible human beings, which in turn perpetuates the types of behaviors that Yarran has been dropped for, it is about time that these guys were taught that with privilege comes responsibility and that every action has a consequence.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:38 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
just dont be surprised when carrots doesnt get up for tonight and yarran gets a reprieve.....

...as sub


and he'll be thrilled!! the best darn sub the world has seen. :grin:

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