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Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


Training wheels every week - I think Essendon* and COllingwood losses are from coaching errors. But I'm told it's because I hated Malthouse before he started. Big test this week - Ratten failed miserably against Hawthorn by being unable to cover any run from defence - fair bet Malthouse will be in to that.


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Yarran is still a chance anyway.

Playing 3 taggers and a defensive forward seems a a bit OTT.



If there is a late in I reckon it will be Rowe.

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eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

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cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.


Perhaps Mick suspected Yarran was a petulant sook and wanted confirmation

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:46 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.


Perhaps Mick suspected Yarran was a petulant sook and wanted confirmation


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cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:50 pm 
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eric pascoe wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


I'm thinking Yaz didn't work hard enough when injured (again) and being the sub and him sulking were a culmination of events.

These punishments are rarely in isolation.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:55 pm 
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eric pascoe wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


Unfortunately eric I'm not sure MM is big on explanations. I reckon we knew that when we signed him, so we can hardly expect him to change now.

I think most people were surprised at the decision, the fact they have moved on and now have focused on Yarrans non-performance probably reflects what most people expect from a professional athlete.

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Great selection and show of faith for Boots.

Reckon he'll do well on Gunston.

Some of the comments about Malthouse and the justified dropping of Yarran border on non-sensical, no matter how many exclamation points you add to your bleating.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:05 pm 
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eric pascoe wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


Not asking for much Eric...just reason.

I too want to know.

mM said we have a good list. One first rounder he seemed keen on might be a dud (Watson) and the other first rounder is dropped to the whole footy worlds surprise.

I want to know...do we write off the year now. Give up hope on 2013? tell me MC

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:12 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Two weeks ago we were average
One week ago there were Blue Skies ahead
This week we've swung back the other way

:lol:

Anyone else noticed that in addition to Armfield being named at CHB each week, Walker is named at CHF?


Betts should be named at CHF :smile:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:19 pm 
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I'd sacrifice Walker on Franklin this week as our second tall in defence, with Jamison back. Have Hendo CHF for the whole game (except if Hale gets too big for someone).


I actually think it's not a bad match up. Franklin isn't a big contested mark anyway, and Walker has played tall in the past. Certainly has the engine to go with Franklin.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:29 pm 
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I know I read it somewhere or heard it on T.V. that against GWS Yarran had 20 pressure acts that day ... the most of any Carlton player. It makes you wonder why he would be the sub the following week against Essendon*.

I was hoping he would play to try and redeem the situation. I might have MM all wrong ... I thought he was the type of coach that would allow a player to redeem himself for his known error ... rather than dropping the player to prove the point.

Anyway, most of us don't know what has really happened behind closed doors.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:33 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
MIL wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
CARLTON

FB: Mitch Robinson - Michael Jamison - Lachie Henderson
HB: Zach Tuohy - Dennis Armfield - Josh Bootsma
C: Andrew Carrazzo - Chris Judd - Kade Simpson
HF: Ed Curnow - Andrew Walker - Jeff Garlett
FF: Brock McLean - Jarrad Waite - Matthew Kreuzer
R: Levi Casboult - Marc Murphy - Heath Scotland

INTERCHANGE
Bryce Gibbs - Kane Lucas - Eddie Betts - Jaryd Cachia

EMERGENCIES
Chris Yarran - Sam Rowe - Simon White


interesting. So Ed Curnow gets a game ahead of Chris Yarran. Has Yarran peed on a shop window, hung out with criminals, rocked up pissed to training or comitted a crime ?

Last week's decision to play him as the sub was I thought the worst selection decision I've seen since I started following Carlton in 1969 (as a 6yo) and probably cost us the game. I can only guess that Yazz did something during last week to upset MM, and now he's dropped for sooking.

Thumping guaranteed now, but for Yazz I suppose an even bigger lesson learned, something akin to the message that Waite got when he cost us the game when he was suspended.


In Mick we must trust - there's no alternative.


How in the flower would you know what Mick's decision was in playing Yarran sub last week?
His behaviour afterwards only confirms what a soft primadonna he is. I actually hope the baby spends some time in the 2s and comes back a man.


Don't pretend to know - but am only having a guess why one of our best was the SUB in a 50/50 game that had a big say if we made the 8 or not. And I reckon the move backfired big time.

Yazz isn't ever going to be a hard nut, and sure he's attitude might need some tweaking, but I'd have him over a Robbo type any day of the week.


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bondiblue wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


Not asking for much Eric...just reason.

I too want to know.

mM said we have a good list. One first rounder he seemed keen on might be a dud (Watson) and the other first rounder is dropped to the whole footy worlds surprise.

I want to know...do we write off the year now. Give up hope on 2013? tell me MC


I'd actually prefer to have a match committee that kept their mouths shut and kept you guessing if that's okay!

We've spent the last few years as a club being pretty dumb. At least if we're being dumb now there's a possibility that we're being smart and strategic and giving ourselves a chance of confusing the opposition.

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I'd actually prefer to have a match committee that kept their mouths shut and kept you guessing if that's okay!

We've spent the last few years as a club being pretty dumb. At least if we're being dumb now there's a possibility that we're being smart and strategic and giving ourselves a chance of confusing the opposition.


This.
The only problem is that it puts TC posters' knickers in a knot.


I think coming off the bye they are vulnerable.
If we plan our forward entries to some degree instead of just bombing it to Gibson and lake then we are in with a real shot.
Yarran or no Yarran.

One day we will beat these c@#$munchers, and I want to be there when we do.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:29 pm 
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I was at the GWS game and I thought it was the most aggressive I've seen Yazz. He was pretty good that day. I think it was a costly error making him the sub last week and I don't believe the bullshit about team balance. Irrespective of that his lack of effort when subbed on was poor and not at all team orientated. Every time I watch him play I want him to do more because he is so so talented. Make no mistake this is a test for him. I think MM will get the best out of him. Mind you I still have a gut feeling he will play.


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Yaz is a bloody good player, but he sometimes takes the easy option. It won't be the end of the world if Mick makes him realise he's not that shit hot. And if Yaz continues to sook about it well I dare say Mick won't have too much time for him. This is a great opportunity for Chris to become a much better player. I hope he realises that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Maybe I've been on Mars, as I was sitting in the AFL Members last Friday, and didn't see any of this Yaz stuff.
As I understand it, he has apologised for his body language ( Wow, Richo dodged a few bullets there)
I love Mick but seriously why was he the sub in the first place?
Eddie, who got rubbed out for three weeks and was not fined by the club, ought to have been the sub.
Team balance? Yaz can go forward, back and midfield. Eddie can do two of those.
Complete howler by the coaching panel and it cost us 4 points against the lab rats.
I think the coaching panel should apologise.


We don't know why he was made sub.

Fitness, internal issue, not meeting kpi's that have been set and it may have just been a tactic. If it was a tactic its a curious one but it had no chance to succeed because the player didn't do his part.

Makes no difference really, he didn't do enough when he got his chance.

Fair point but we really have not heard any logical justification as to why he was made the sub in the first place. Eddie ( and I love him ) hadn't played for weeks. It just beggars belief that Yaz was made the sub and I want to know why other than "team balance". If it were for something other than that, please, coaching panel, tell us. Otherwise, it's a howler and has somehow flown under the attention of all and sundry. It was just a staggering decision and I want to know why it was made. No one on this site seems to want to address this and they keep trotting out the line about some statement needs to be made. FFS we are playing Hawthorn tomorrow. It's pretty serious.


Not asking for much Eric...just reason.

I too want to know.

mM said we have a good list. One first rounder he seemed keen on might be a dud (Watson) and the other first rounder is dropped to the whole footy worlds surprise.

I want to know...do we write off the year now. Give up hope on 2013? tell me MC


MM doesn't need to justify team selections to anyone bar those playing and those dropped. If we extend this argument, we'll be asking him to explain the exact reasons why players get called up to the seniors and why players get dropped each week. Get real people FFS.
Yarran's behaviour last week was disgraceful. Serves the sook right.

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Carrots shouldn't play. Five or six weeks or whatever with a leg injury means he will be lacking fitness. He was supposedly only a 50% chance of getting up this week so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a ducks and drakes thing and Carrazo doesn't play and someone else does. Maybe Yarran. If you were going to spring a surprise at the final selection, Yarran would be ideal as he has had a week's worth of press to mask the double bluff.

Hawthorn to me is the example of why we should play all our talls. I would have put Hampson in this week as well. Leave him in the square. That way we have Waite, Kreuzer, Hampson Casboult to man up.
We will see by this time tomorrow why it is almost impossible to defend a setup with so many talls.

Franklin, Roughead, Gunson, Hale, Bailey. We (and probably no other team) has the tall defenders to cover them. It's all very well saying that if the ball hits the ground we'll run them off their feet but we don't play that sort of break out footy from half back, only occasionally when Touhy or Walker decides to go for a trot through the guts.

Anyway, I am expecting a shellacking. We are nowhere near them yet and it will be a little while before we are.

I do like the idea of Walker on Franklin but only if he stands off him and runs off him. Buddy will kick 10 goals 15 behinds on him if he were to try and stand shoulder to shoulder.

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