Just finished watching the replay.

The injuries cruelled us but Kruezer had no idea, Hampson had no idea and Warnock cannot mark above his head. To play all three is baffling to say the least

Love Armfield, Garlett, Lachie and Walker, never say die and gave their all. Simmo is horrible, teams know what do do with him, ignore, doesn't hurt them any more.

Juddy has lost his zip and just a player now and his kicking deficiencies are now exaggerated as he cannot compensate with his dash.

Lucas was awful, heart wise and skill wise. Some of his handballs were woeful for an AFL player.

The drop off in skill is alarming with Curnow and Robinson chief offenders. Robbo has no class at all, crash and bash and that is it. That miss in the third quarter was a shocker. No composure at all.

Jarrod Waite is a joke. Dumb footballer and cannot be relied on. Can he change his spots? Nah, he will do something stupid again, just a matter of when.
Need a huge turn around to even bother Port this week at home, let alone win.

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The boys on afl 360 summed it up

Name a team that has ever won a gf playing 3 rucks

I love mm but wtf was he doing

From all reports, Zach Mountbuller is really quite highly regarded amongst the Young MCC crowd though.

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He was being ridiculously arrogant and irresponsible!

I was praying that the three ruck team sheet was going to be more a mind-game thing by MM and that Kreuzer would be a late withdrawal (or one of the rucks at least!). But when it was confirmed they would all be playing I chalked us in for a loss.

And I am glad too. Hope to never see that sh!t again! Hope the lesson has been finally learnt

AFAIC, this is MM's first black mark for me. Not exactly a round 7, 2005 for Pagan or round 4, 2012 for Ratten but a fuck-up nonetheless. I was livid Monday night!!!

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C'mon Blueboys!

Still livid - crap selection - crap performance - crap attitude - crap mental sterngth -crap -leadership - crap -venue - crap - match day
CRAP

Agree with everything, Frank, except the venue. Cold Monday night, rather be indoors at the Dome than caught in the grey icy mists at the MCG

07: King, Ottens, Mooney
08: Campbell, Renouf, Roughead
09: Ottens, Blake, Mooney/Hawkins
10: Jolly, Brown, Dawes
11: West, Ottens, Hawkins
12: Mumford, Pyke, LRT (Goodes)

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I think you're confusing blokes who can play a #2 ruck role with blokes who can only play #1 ruck, (which I think is what BigRed meant).

Half those players are just as (or more) useful as KPP's than ruckmen.

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#GUILTY

Three rucks isn't the best move Malthouse has made but it wasn't the reason for the loss. That can be attributed to lack of heart and composure. Carlton looked flat from the first bounce, trailed their opponents to the ball by 10m and simply refused to pay St Kilda any respect.

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Also the changes to interchange/sub

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So effectively the same crap we've always seen.

Agree Wojee could see it from first 5 minutes flat uninterested and at that stage I was thinking why did I even bother coming out to watch -same old same old heartless bullshit from an overhyped team that has as much spine as jelly - reminiscent of gold coast match last year - different coach same tragi-comedy
forget 3 ruckmen and injuries lack of spirit lack of contest lack of any semblance of composure were the primary reasons for the loss and those reasons alone the team should be roundly condemned

Point being is that they've played the extra tall, whether they're a traditional ruckman or not. Remember the dilemma as to whether to pick Stephen King or not? Since then we've seen Hawkins, Roughead and Dawes become more than just KP talls. To a lesser extent, Mike Pyke's development both as a dangerous forward and as a player in the past 18 months has been phenomenal.

I don't see why Hampson can't continue down that route. I agree that this set of 3 ruckmen isn't going to work, but there's no reason to suggest that it can't be done in general.

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..i think the other examples work better cos you've got [usually] a KPF that can also pinch-hit in the ruck.. ..they play their natural role for the majority of gametime, and then play stints in the ruck.. ..in the case of hammer, he's a ruckman, having to play a kpf role that is not natural for him, for the majority of his gametime, before having a stint in the ruck that is his natural game..

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Hammer may be able to continue down that route but he has to learn the craft in the Magoos - we cannot afford him the luxury of learning on the job in the Ones if he can't make a halfway decent contribution

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Just like against GC and Port last year the players looked like they just expected to turn up and have a bruise-free cruise to victory.

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Can't say I subscribe to that one.

Look how many scrubs are kicking bags at VFL level that aren't even given a second look at AFL level. Or how many kick a bag one week, and then don't get a kick the week after, as a result of playing on mudslicks or their AFL team has called up half their midfield?

Such notable former members of our playing list to be kicking bags in the twos on a regular basis are Cain Ackland and Brad Fisher. Hardly a glowing endorsement. If they drop Hampson this week, and he goes and kicks 10 against whatever VFL line up, are you more or less convinced to his credentials?

For whatever reasons - whether its MM seeing something in Hampson, whether its a lack of confidence in the other options, or lacking in that middle tier of players as a result of our drafting being completely shite, they've decided to persevere with him. Same with Lucas. I have no qualms about it.

Until it's clear that Hampson offers far less both currently and long term than Casboult, Rowe or Mitchell, I reckon it's a no brainer he stays in the side.

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As far as I can see this is already blindingly clear with Casboult and Rowe.

Shaun needs to dominate as a key forward for 4-5 matches in the vfl before we let him back in the seniors as a key forward. He has to learn when and where to run as a key forward and he has to learn to take a contested mark.

If he plays in the seniors right now it should only be as a first ruck.

But Rhino, I think that is the point. IMO Kruezer and Warnock should never play in the same team because they are both ruckmen and ruckmen only. For mine the best setup is one key ruckmen and two specialist forwards, one of whom is capable of relieving in the ruck.

For Hampson to play with either Kruezer or Warnock he has to primarily fill the role of a specialist forward. My problem with him is that he drops too many. Whether that's a matter of technique, and therefore can be fixed, or it's a permanent deficiency I guess time will tell. He's had four consecutive games now to demonstrate where he's at with this skill and I'm not seeing any improvement. If it were up to me, I'd now replace him with the best performing tall forward from two's. I wouldn't play Hampson again, (barring injuries etc), until there was some definite improvement in his ability to take contested marks. If he is not able to improve this deficiency then I'd move him on and try the next kid. We're not going to win a flag with a tall forward who drops so many marks.

I'd be giving Kruezer a spell in the two's too. Warnock's the better ruckman at the moment. When that changes, swap them around.