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MM on SEN this morning specifically mentioned Ellard - must be a strong chance to take Josephs place.


Good, i think Ellard is really well suited to MM's hard running game style.


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Is betts right to play this week?


He's been training and I'm told is keen to play. It's four weeks so must be close. We''l find out tomorrow night as I assume he will come straight back in.

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bondiblue wrote:
I'm from the school of having to bonafide 2 mobile ruckmen.

I'm not keen on pseudo ruckmen against bonafide ruckmen (I thought we saw the end of them with Ackland, Cloke, McLean gone....then we had 4 200cm ruckmen).

I don't like the idea of our No 1 ruckman getting injured and having to rely on a KPF to do the ruckwork normally expected of a ruckman...may as well hand over the keys to the oppositions midfield when that happens.

You can't have 2 tall KP in backline and 2 KP tall in forwardline and one ruckman. Suicide imo.

I'm not in love with Hampson, but having seen the replay a coupla times I was most impressed with his effort to get to a contest when the ball didn't carrry to where he was stationed.

You've got to look at those situations and ask if any of our KPF's or ruckmen would have got to those contests and seriously couldn't see our other ruckmen attack the opportunities Hampson did. I just wish he didn' have such hard hands and kicked straight.

Hence no to Betts for Hampson for me.


Understand BB but it would be Warnock v Jacobs and Rowe v Jenkins. Where's the harm? You also can't pick a side "in case of injury". We need to be effective across our entire 22.

The game is also now having less and less stoppages caused by the sliding rule and the umpires throwing the ball up quickly around the ground. In some cases we are having as few as 3-4 ball ups a qtr.

The key point for me is carrying a player that has little effect. There can be a huge advantage having another midfielder. More rotations which is vital.

If we had Cox & NicNat I would totally agree with you but we don't.

When Kruezer comes back I can see he and Warnock being given a fair run together. My main concern is Hampson being made into a forward. Will never happen and I believe his ruckwork is suffering because of it.

With Waite back it complicates it further. A fwd line of Waite, Rowe/Casboult & Kruezer surrounded by Judd, Yarran, Betts, Garlett and the mids is very dangerous. I think that's how we will end up looking. Hampson would get in the way.

IMO we are so much better having a fit Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork. Rowe has shown he can handle the back up work and has been impressive when he has.


I generally agree with what you write, Pysch, but on this occassion I have a different view. IMO Warnock and Kruezer shouldn't play in the same team. And that means when Krueze is fit, 206 goes back to the magoos. Krueze is wasted anywhere but as #1 ruck, (he's not a very good key forward), and Warnock is just not capable of any other role.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:49 pm 
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Brad Crouch for Adelaide has done his hammy at Training. Will miss this week. Not that it matters much, but he is becoming a dynamic player for them.


Oh it matters.

I have him in my supercoach team

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i have been telling mates since christopher arrived at carlton, just wait until he plays in the forward line he will be most damaging player in the afl , every talks about buddy, soon they will realise how good this bloke is


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:08 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I'm from the school of having to bonafide 2 mobile ruckmen.

I'm not keen on pseudo ruckmen against bonafide ruckmen (I thought we saw the end of them with Ackland, Cloke, McLean gone....then we had 4 200cm ruckmen).

I don't like the idea of our No 1 ruckman getting injured and having to rely on a KPF to do the ruckwork normally expected of a ruckman...may as well hand over the keys to the oppositions midfield when that happens.

You can't have 2 tall KP in backline and 2 KP tall in forwardline and one ruckman. Suicide imo.

I'm not in love with Hampson, but having seen the replay a coupla times I was most impressed with his effort to get to a contest when the ball didn't carrry to where he was stationed.

You've got to look at those situations and ask if any of our KPF's or ruckmen would have got to those contests and seriously couldn't see our other ruckmen attack the opportunities Hampson did. I just wish he didn' have such hard hands and kicked straight.

Hence no to Betts for Hampson for me.


Understand BB but it would be Warnock v Jacobs and Rowe v Jenkins. Where's the harm? You also can't pick a side "in case of injury". We need to be effective across our entire 22.

The game is also now having less and less stoppages caused by the sliding rule and the umpires throwing the ball up quickly around the ground. In some cases we are having as few as 3-4 ball ups a qtr.

The key point for me is carrying a player that has little effect. There can be a huge advantage having another midfielder. More rotations which is vital.

If we had Cox & NicNat I would totally agree with you but we don't.

When Kruezer comes back I can see he and Warnock being given a fair run together. My main concern is Hampson being made into a forward. Will never happen and I believe his ruckwork is suffering because of it.

With Waite back it complicates it further. A fwd line of Waite, Rowe/Casboult & Kruezer surrounded by Judd, Yarran, Betts, Garlett and the mids is very dangerous. I think that's how we will end up looking. Hampson would get in the way.

IMO we are so much better having a fit Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork. Rowe has shown he can handle the back up work and has been impressive when he has.


I generally agree with what you write, Pysch, but on this occassion I have a different view. IMO Warnock and Kruezer shouldn't play in the same team. And that means when Krueze is fit, 206 goes back to the magoos. Krueze is wasted anywhere but as #1 ruck, (he's not a very good key forward), and Warnock is just not capable of any other role.


BigKev, I agree totally. Both Kruezer & Warnock are ruckman full stop! I am not a fan of playing two ruckman at any stage. I just see that as being our structure going forward in the next few weeks.

Personally, my preference is Waite, Henderson & Rowe/Casboult as tall forwards surrounded by smalls. This would be supported by McCarthy, Jamison & White as tall defenders. These surrounded by runners.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:15 pm 
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i have been telling mates since christopher arrived at carlton, just wait until he plays in the forward line he will be most damaging player in the afl , every talks about buddy, soon they will realise how good this bloke is


Not many overhead marks between those two :wink:

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When was the last time Kruezer was played forward for half a game, let alone a full game or 2 or even 3?
The misconception that he is purely a ruckman and not a forward is just that. It's nearly as bad as Kruezer being a midfielder!
For whatever reason we have refused to play him as a dedicated forward for a period of time and this to me is the biggest travesty in the AFL currently. Hopefully Warnock will hold his place and excel in the ruck and maybe, just maybe force our hand to play Humphrey forward and maybe even convince him he is a good forward!
If we can give Hampson 2 years as a forward, surely it's time to give Kruezer 2 months. Even if he himself doesn't like it.


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stubba wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I'm heading to the Anzac memorial in Canberra tonights so my kids can have a serious Anzac Day at the march and followed by the War Museum..

I'm a fan of the ACT and always find plenty to do, so I will be there over the next few days and that's when we play Corws at the G.

I don't know if the hotel I'm staying at Foxtel but my wife tells me its the only hotel with a heated in door swimming pool. That's strange?

What are the options to watch Carlton vz Crows in Canberra on Foxtel?
I'd like to take the kids along too, but don't have to, hence options.

Help?


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I suspect the hotel you are staying at will have Foxtel - most do. Otherwise you can go to the Eastlakes AFL Footy club which is pretty central in Canberra where they have Foxtel on widescreen TVs. As an interstate visitor I am sure you will get in no probs. The Weston Club in Weston Creek also has Foxtel on widescreen TVs. I can get you in there. PM me if you need any help.


hi Bondi the Canberra supporters group meets at the Eastlakes footy club in Kingston - just behind maunka oval. ill be meeting up there with fellow TC'er BluesRockMyWorld Saturday, as stubba mentioned.

ill be watching the suns v giants game across the road before making my way over.

if you want to catch up PM me and ill shoot you my details.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:19 pm 
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When was the last time Kruezer was played forward for half a game, let alone a full game or 2 or even 3?
The misconception that he is purely a ruckman and not a forward is just that. It's nearly as bad as Kruezer being a midfielder!
For whatever reason we have refused to play him as a dedicated forward for a period of time and this to me is the biggest travesty in the AFL currently. Hopefully Warnock will hold his place and excel in the ruck and maybe, just maybe force our hand to play Humphrey forward and maybe even convince him he is a good forward!
If we can give Hampson 2 years as a forward, surely it's time to give Kruezer 2 months. Even if he himself doesn't like it.



Paul Salmon the big tall lanky ruckman was turned into a deadly weapon as a FF.

I don't daoubt for a minute that Kreuzer can surpass that benchmark.

I know what I've seen from both.
I just happen to have spent a fair bit of time with Fish down the Peninsula and seen him and other mates playing for the Bombers. Kreuzer would eat him.

Kreuser is big hard and fast...and he's going to get stronger in 2 years time (same age Cox hit his straps having come through the ranks as a rookie...late bloomer really),

Kreuzer is a freak/ He can play a role anywhere...he's even capable of it now.
Play him as a FF and he'll eat that after the team learns to play to him...as is the case with all multiple goal goalkickers...if the team plan is to use the FF as a decoy then dont ex[ect big numbers from him.

..its not about being the best in the universe at that position its more about playing a role and Im sure Kreuzer the pure footballer is capable of comprehending and putting his orders into action.

Kreuzer isnt expected to kick Fevola type of figures, nor a bag, but if he can be connected to a dozen goals or more then thats a team win if they are all goals

In Kreuzer I believe. In 2-3 years time he'll be kicking bags week in week out. Capable.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:20 pm 
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thegezman wrote:
stubba wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I'm heading to the Anzac memorial in Canberra tonights so my kids can have a serious Anzac Day at the march and followed by the War Museum..

I'm a fan of the ACT and always find plenty to do, so I will be there over the next few days and that's when we play Corws at the G.

I don't know if the hotel I'm staying at Foxtel but my wife tells me its the only hotel with a heated in door swimming pool. That's strange?

What are the options to watch Carlton vz Crows in Canberra on Foxtel?
I'd like to take the kids along too, but don't have to, hence options.

Help?


Bondi

I suspect the hotel you are staying at will have Foxtel - most do. Otherwise you can go to the Eastlakes AFL Footy club which is pretty central in Canberra where they have Foxtel on widescreen TVs. As an interstate visitor I am sure you will get in no probs. The Weston Club in Weston Creek also has Foxtel on widescreen TVs. I can get you in there. PM me if you need any help.


hi Bondi the Canberra supporters group meets at the Eastlakes footy club in Kingston - just behind maunka oval. ill be meeting up there with fellow TC'er BluesRockMyWorld Saturday, as stubba mentioned.

ill be watching the suns v giants game across the road before making my way over.

if you want to catch up PM me and ill shoot you my details.

cheers
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That sounds like the ticket.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:34 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I'm from the school of having to bonafide 2 mobile ruckmen.

I'm not keen on pseudo ruckmen against bonafide ruckmen (I thought we saw the end of them with Ackland, Cloke, McLean gone....then we had 4 200cm ruckmen).

I don't like the idea of our No 1 ruckman getting injured and having to rely on a KPF to do the ruckwork normally expected of a ruckman...may as well hand over the keys to the oppositions midfield when that happens.

You can't have 2 tall KP in backline and 2 KP tall in forwardline and one ruckman. Suicide imo.

I'm not in love with Hampson, but having seen the replay a coupla times I was most impressed with his effort to get to a contest when the ball didn't carrry to where he was stationed.

You've got to look at those situations and ask if any of our KPF's or ruckmen would have got to those contests and seriously couldn't see our other ruckmen attack the opportunities Hampson did. I just wish he didn' have such hard hands and kicked straight.

Hence no to Betts for Hampson for me.


Understand BB but it would be Warnock v Jacobs and Rowe v Jenkins. Where's the harm? You also can't pick a side "in case of injury". We need to be effective across our entire 22.

The game is also now having less and less stoppages caused by the sliding rule and the umpires throwing the ball up quickly around the ground. In some cases we are having as few as 3-4 ball ups a qtr.

The key point for me is carrying a player that has little effect. There can be a huge advantage having another midfielder. More rotations which is vital.

If we had Cox & NicNat I would totally agree with you but we don't.

When Kruezer comes back I can see he and Warnock being given a fair run together. My main concern is Hampson being made into a forward. Will never happen and I believe his ruckwork is suffering because of it.

With Waite back it complicates it further. A fwd line of Waite, Rowe/Casboult & Kruezer surrounded by Judd, Yarran, Betts, Garlett and the mids is very dangerous. I think that's how we will end up looking. Hampson would get in the way.

IMO we are so much better having a fit Warnock doing 80% of the ruckwork. Rowe has shown he can handle the back up work and has been impressive when he has.


Really, I'm only going to be assertive about the need for 2 ruckmen in a Grand Final...the rest of the time imo is experimenting and looking for a good mix. Problem is a good mix one week is not neceassrily a good mix another week and thats not good result for supporters

...so youve got to get a good mix. Kreuzer has to learn to play KPF imo...for the team and without losing anything ...he already knows how to play ruck and ruck rover....if we need him there if Warnock needs a rest or is injured.

We have to develop him to work for us when he is at FF...its going to happen. and he has to improve that aspect of his game like we saw when he first started.

2 ruckmen when the stakes are high. Thats all.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:35 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
When was the last time Kruezer was played forward for half a game, let alone a full game or 2 or even 3?
The misconception that he is purely a ruckman and not a forward is just that. It's nearly as bad as Kruezer being a midfielder!
For whatever reason we have refused to play him as a dedicated forward for a period of time and this to me is the biggest travesty in the AFL currently. Hopefully Warnock will hold his place and excel in the ruck and maybe, just maybe force our hand to play Humphrey forward and maybe even convince him he is a good forward!
If we can give Hampson 2 years as a forward, surely it's time to give Kruezer 2 months. Even if he himself doesn't like it.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:31 am 
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Would entertain the idea of Hampson for Betts. Would be uncharacteristic of MM to do so though.

Why not, a CHF for a full forward

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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
When was the last time Kruezer was played forward for half a game, let alone a full game or 2 or even 3?
The misconception that he is purely a ruckman and not a forward is just that. It's nearly as bad as Kruezer being a midfielder!
For whatever reason we have refused to play him as a dedicated forward for a period of time and this to me is the biggest travesty in the AFL currently. Hopefully Warnock will hold his place and excel in the ruck and maybe, just maybe force our hand to play Humphrey forward and maybe even convince him he is a good forward!
If we can give Hampson 2 years as a forward, surely it's time to give Kruezer 2 months. Even if he himself doesn't like it.



Paul Salmon the big tall lanky ruckman was turned into a deadly weapon as a FF.

I don't daoubt for a minute that Kreuzer can surpass that benchmark.

I know what I've seen from both.
I just happen to have spent a fair bit of time with Fish down the Peninsula and seen him and other mates playing for the Bombers. Kreuzer would eat him.

Kreuser is big hard and fast...and he's going to get stronger in 2 years time (same age Cox hit his straps having come through the ranks as a rookie...late bloomer really),

Kreuzer is a freak/ He can play a role anywhere...he's even capable of it now.
Play him as a FF and he'll eat that after the team learns to play to him...as is the case with all multiple goal goalkickers...if the team plan is to use the FF as a decoy then dont ex[ect big numbers from him.

..its not about being the best in the universe at that position its more about playing a role and Im sure Kreuzer the pure footballer is capable of comprehending and putting his orders into action.

Kreuzer isnt expected to kick Fevola type of figures, nor a bag, but if he can be connected to a dozen goals or more then thats a team win if they are all goals

In Kreuzer I believe. In 2-3 years time he'll be kicking bags week in week out. Capable.



I'm with Bondi.

Kruezer has all the tools to be the powerful forward we are all craving for.....Warnock is the key.

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When was the last time Kruezer was played forward for half a game, let alone a full game or 2 or even 3?
The misconception that he is purely a ruckman and not a forward is just that. It's nearly as bad as Kruezer being a midfielder!
For whatever reason we have refused to play him as a dedicated forward for a period of time and this to me is the biggest travesty in the AFL currently. Hopefully Warnock will hold his place and excel in the ruck and maybe, just maybe force our hand to play Humphrey forward and maybe even convince him he is a good forward!
If we can give Hampson 2 years as a forward, surely it's time to give Kruezer 2 months. Even if he himself doesn't like it.

Yep, agree with this.

Kreuz has all the tools to be our best key forward. He has mobility, a strong body, good hands (sometimes) and is a good kick. Would think he would be a better prospect than Hammer at least.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:57 am 
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I'm with Bondi.

Kruezer has all the tools to be the powerful forward we are all craving for.....Warnock is the key.


I used to think that too.

The sum of the parts seem to fit but the end result just doesn't seem to work.

We want a key forward for next year, we'll have to buy one.


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