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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:31 am 
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Why are people calling for Eddie to come in this week?
From all accounts he's still 2 weeks off at least.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:38 am 
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Why are people calling for Eddie to come in this week?
From all accounts he's still 2 weeks off at least.


here you go

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-16/s ... r-big-blue


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:01 am 
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Adelaide last year and Richmond this year (first half) keep pulsing out mi into the contest at any bounce/ball up. They then invariably get it out to outside players . Just need to be aware of it and account for it STRAIGHT AWAY not after two or three quarters. Warnock will also help as his tap work is excellent, thus can place it in space

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:33 am 
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Find it hard to blame Ratts for Lucas' development. Ratts really liked Lucas but Lucas' development went off the rails with injury and then just plain bad form. Couldnt kick a drop punt for a season. He is giving it a nudge this year but still on the edge of our best team. Looks a little lost at times and seems confused as to what he is meant to be doing out there. Perhaps clearer instructions will help there. Needs to go harder too.
Collins hasn't had a good run of games also due to injury and bad form.

I am sure everyone agreed Ratts had had enough time to get results and it was time to move him on but some of the reasons people give to put him through the ringer seem a little off to me.



Worst coach since Ian Stewart...... don t worry about defending that guy.
Terrible.. terrible coach..!!!!. and over 5 seasons of his cluelesness....
Noone went forward to any great heights under that Ratts... nobody!!!..... the human glass ceiling
You really dont want that guy in charge of your players and team....its why he is finished as an AFL head coach...

Please... enough of revising history... it makes me feel ill to know some people actually think he was a goodd coach and unlucky.
If his name was Knights he would be getting totally slagged off after a season...


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Sorry mate.. noone else hired him as an AFL and wont.. but we ept him for over 5 years...
So lets not pretend right??... nothing worse than pretending Ratten is a desirable coach.. and Sticks is a desirable president...
They wouldnt have those possies for any other well run club.

I find it hard enough to get rid of the bitter taste of him being allowed to be custodian of our team for over 5 years... by another guy who gave him a contract and remains unaccountable in the payout!!!!...

So please dont bring him up like some kind of Carlton martyr.. its sooo wrong!!!!...

hes a good ex player... who got had mates running the club ....and got lucky... !!!!
Thats it!!!


You go on a rant whenever his name is brought up. Noone has said he is a gun coach. Most said it was time to move him on. He copped some crap along the way for tactics that the master coach Malthouse is still using today. The taggers, Gibbs back and shootout footy with poor defending.

I was defending him against the suggestion he stalled Lucas' development. I am not sure Lucas not being able to stick a tackle has to do with Ratts not playing him when he couldn't nail a drop punt a year ago. The Whistler and I use to watch him for the Bullants and were always suprised when one came of the boot properly. A result of his bad hammy and new running gait maybe.

Ratts is gone. Be happy if you think he robbed you of enjoyment of football and get on with enjoying Malthouse for your own sanity. I will get on with things another way.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:43 am 
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Can't really see the link between Ratts and our game against Adelaide this week, myself...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:44 am 
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Adelaide last year and Richmond this year (first half) keep pulsing out mi into the contest at any bounce/ball up. They then invariably get it out to outside players . Just need to be aware of it and account for it STRAIGHT AWAY not after two or three quarters. Warnock will also help as his tap work is excellent, thus can place it in space


Bell may come back into contention This week.


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As per Mick's horses for courses policy - it might be worthwhile bringing in Bell to fulfil a role of a big bodied midfielder to negate, Dangerfield, Thompson, Sloane etc at centre bounces, as Adelaide have killed us in there the past couple of times.


I like this idea as well.


Yeah that's a great idea imo. Last year we really got bullied around the packs and pushed off the ball too easily. Bell would be a good inclusion for this one

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:58 am 
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Part of the reason Bell was dropped was his lack of defensive pressure. Last time we played, Thompson, Dangerfield and Thompson carved us up with their spread. We need to reward players that can run both ways.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:59 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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As per Mick's horses for courses policy - it might be worthwhile bringing in Bell to fulfil a role of a big bodied midfielder to negate, Dangerfield, Thompson, Sloane etc at centre bounces, as Adelaide have killed us in there the past couple of times.


I like this idea as well.


Yeah that's a great idea imo. Last year we really got bullied around the packs and pushed off the ball too easily. Bell would be a good inclusion for this one


Will be interesting to see how Bell gets used this season if at all. This week would suit him and the team one would think but we would have to lose a player from last week where we looked to get the mix closer to right than it has been all season.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:04 am 
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Saw Ellard had another big game in the VFL. Is he worth an upgrade this week?

In: Betts, Ellard, Casboult
Out: Joseph, White, Hampson

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:09 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
Part of the reason Bell was dropped was his lack of defensive pressure. Last time we played, Thompson, Dangerfield and Thompson carved us up with their spread. We need to reward players that can run both ways.



Not exactly correct - they carved us up out of the middle where these blokes ragged dolled us - then they waltzed it out of the middle at there leisure whist our blokes were on the the ground dazed and bruised.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:10 am 
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Like the way MM has been mixing up our game plan to suit the opposition and adjust as he learns more about the group.

A big body with a very good engine that lays into Dangerfield at every option would be pleasant - that won't be carrotts, curnow or joseph.....maybe armfield? Would like to see Bell given the chance


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:28 am 
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Like the way MM has been mixing up our game plan to suit the opposition and adjust as he learns more about the group.

A big body with a very good engine that lays into Dangerfield at every option would be pleasant - that won't be carrotts, curnow or joseph.....maybe armfield? Would like to see Bell given the chance



Might be a combination of Bell at the stoppages - with Armfield catching him around the ground.

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AGRO wrote:
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Like the way MM has been mixing up our game plan to suit the opposition and adjust as he learns more about the group.

A big body with a very good engine that lays into Dangerfield at every option would be pleasant - that won't be carrotts, curnow or joseph.....maybe armfield? Would like to see Bell given the chance



Might be a combination of Bell at the stoppages - with Armfield catching him around the ground.

:wink:


normally that would rob you of pace and defensive pressure upforward as was supplied in abundance by Army last week, but if, as some suggest, Betts returns then that should make up for it.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:48 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
Part of the reason Bell was dropped was his lack of defensive pressure. Last time we played, Thompson, Dangerfield and Thompson carved us up with their spread. We need to reward players that can run both ways.


Dangerfield managed to run through a pack of our players without a single one able to bring him down. At least Bell might be able to provide some sort of resistance to this ever happening again.


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AGRO wrote:
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Part of the reason Bell was dropped was his lack of defensive pressure. Last time we played, Thompson, Dangerfield and Thompson carved us up with their spread. We need to reward players that can run both ways.



Not exactt correct - they carved us up out of the middle where these blokes ragged dolled us - then they waltzed it out of the middle at there leisure whist our blokes were on the the ground dazed and bruised.


Yeah I think you're spot on Argo, I don't think it was spread that got us. From memory, (it was a year ago) they crowded numbers around the ball and made it really congested, then basically beat up on our mids who could find any space or clean possession. I think they took a leaf out of Essendon*'s book who used similar tactics a couple of weeks earlier. I think bell and Robbo around the ball will help big time.

I'd love to see bell come in purely for a matchup on dangerfield. He will get done for pace which the rest of the team will have to be aware of, but he has the engine to go with him, and the physicality. MM should throw the challenge to him, with a focus of crunching him as hard as possible at every opportunity. Bell hits harder than anyone on our list and I think dangerfield is a bit vulnerable to physical attention. Essendon* really targeted him and he went missing

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:21 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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Part of the reason Bell was dropped was his lack of defensive pressure. Last time we played, Thompson, Dangerfield and Thompson carved us up with their spread. We need to reward players that can run both ways.



Not exactt correct - they carved us up out of the middle where these blokes ragged dolled us - then they waltzed it out of the middle at there leisure whist our blokes were on the the ground dazed and bruised.


Yeah I think you're spot on Argo, I don't think it was spread that got us. From memory, (it was a year ago) they crowded numbers around the ball and made it really congested, then basically beat up on our mids who could find any space or clean possession. I think they took a leaf out of Essendon*'s book who used similar tactics a couple of weeks earlier. I think bell and Robbo around the ball will help big time.

I'd love to see bell come in purely for a matchup on dangerfield. He will get done for pace which the rest of the team will have to be aware of, but he has the engine to go with him, and the physicality. MM should throw the challenge to him, with a focus of crunching him as hard as possible at every opportunity. Bell hits harder than anyone on our list and I think dangerfield is a bit vulnerable to physical attention. Essendon* really targeted him and he went missing


good observation/s Jake, I also reckon Bell resting forward gives you a bit of physicality when the ball is in congested pack of players, liked his goal in similar circumstances against the pies where he burst through congestion in that forward pocket with his bulk and ran into goal


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Cachia would be an option but then that will hurt us pace wise.

Unfortunately our big bodied types like Robinson, Bell & Cachia are not overly quick, whereas Dangerfield, Sloane, Thompson, Vince etc are not only big bodied they are quick as well.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:23 am 
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Curnow played a great game on the weekend. Dont know why people are calling for him to be dropped.
Simmo has been putrid this year, but dont know if Mick will drop him. Get the feeling Lucas will be targeted by the hard bodied Crows mids due to his lack of knackers. Maybe have his as the sub to be used as an impact player when the sing has gone out of the game.

For me IN: Betts, Ellard OUT: Joseph, White

Do people reckon Thompson will go for his hit yesterday ?

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