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Bit concerning that Rowe is the only player from the last 3 drafts in the side and you can only add Lucas if you go back 4 drafts.

Extremely concerning and thus explains our lack if depth


damning, Says it all really. No point harping on it though..On a positive note, contract end periods (listed in another thread & pasted below) provide opportunity to accept failures, cut our losses, move on.. that's exciting..

Matthew Watson 2013
Luke Mitchell 2013
Marcus Davies 2013
Nick Duigan 2013
Edward Curnow (R) 2013
Aaron Joseph 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:21 am 
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Matthew Watson 2013. Still young. Possible
Luke Mitchell 2013. Coming from a long way back. Has played minimal footy in career. Needs patience
Marcus Davies 2013. Needs a good run injury free
Nick Duigan 2013. No, waste of pick
Edward Curnow (R) 2013. No
Aaron Joseph 2013, No
David Ellard 2013. Good rookie pick up
Andrew Collins. Like to see him get an injury free run

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:29 am 
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Joseph.

please explain. Oh...that's right.....we need him to play on the small forwards.


Maybe he's at least trying to do what the coach asks.

At least I didn't see his Geelong opponent run off him for three easy goals last week because he was too lazy to close a 10m gap, (ala Captain Unaccountable).

But yeah ... I get sick of his turnovers too.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:36 am 
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..would hope we use White on Darling, and play Hendo as our CHF..

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:38 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Matthew Watson 2013. Still young. Possible
Luke Mitchell 2013. Coming from a long way back. Has played minimal footy in career. Needs patience
Marcus Davies 2013. Needs a good run injury free
Nick Duigan 2013. No, waste of pick
Edward Curnow (R) 2013. No
Aaron Joseph 2013, No
David Ellard 2013. Good rookie pick up
Andrew Collins. Like to see him get an injury free run


Psy I once read an interesting theory from a notable psychologist discussing one the typically recurring barriers to positive change, went something like this --> 'the more time you invest in an idea the harder it is to move past it, the mere notion that you may have to accept loss of investment is painful' How long can you persist Psy? lets be honest, the clubs already invested reasonable effort in exploring their potential, there needs to be reasonable signs of progress which IMO there isn't. better to cut them loose give them a chance elsewhere and give the club a chance to explore other opportunities. enough is enough..


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:55 am 
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was relieved to hear Andy Maher asking the q. I most want to ask.
Why the ???? aren't we playing Laids, and the unpopular around here it seems..Duigan??
Duigs is in the leadership group, and I'd rather be persisting with him than some others who's best seems to be on par with Duigs and Laidler's poorer form.
Don't you guys remember when that pair were playing consistently well?
I do, and we had a really good back line there for awhile.
I just don't get it. Particularly Laidler, and I'm worried that this is going to become an issue of MM's ego, in him trying to make something of a bit player, or..doing the 'if I can't fully control you, you won't be in the team'. Or is it just as some here say, that they are simply too slow now?
I'd rather have the talent at this stage, than the speed with turnovers.

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bluegirl72 wrote:
was relieved to hear Andy Maher asking the q. I most want to ask.
Why the ???? aren't we playing Laids, and the unpopular around here it seems..Duigan??
Duigs is in the leadership group, and I'd rather be persisting with him than some others who's best seems to be on par with Duigs and Laidler's poorer form.
Don't you guys remember when that pair were playing consistently well?
I do, and we had a really good back line there for awhile.
I just don't get it. Particularly Laidler, and I'm worried that this is going to become an issue of MM's ego, in him trying to make something of a bit player, or..doing the 'if I can't fully control you, you won't be in the team'. Or is it just as some here say, that they are simply too slow now?
I'd rather have the talent at this stage, than the speed with turnovers.

Laidler has confidence issues post knee.
Duigs is just pants.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:04 am 
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but synners,
duigs wasn't always pants.he was pretty good..ipso facto..can be again can't he?
Laids,like Simmo, should play himself into confidence and form.
I believe their B game is still better than some other nominee's A game.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:09 am 
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DenimUndies wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Matthew Watson 2013. Still young. Possible
Luke Mitchell 2013. Coming from a long way back. Has played minimal footy in career. Needs patience
Marcus Davies 2013. Needs a good run injury free
Nick Duigan 2013. No, waste of pick
Edward Curnow (R) 2013. No
Aaron Joseph 2013, No
David Ellard 2013. Good rookie pick up
Andrew Collins. Like to see him get an injury free run


Psy I once read an interesting theory from a notable psychologist discussing one the typically recurring barriers to positive change, went something like this --> 'the more time you invest in an idea the harder it is to move past it, the mere notion that you may have to accept loss of investment is painful' How long can you persist Psy? lets be honest, the clubs already invested reasonable effort in exploring their potential, there needs to be reasonable signs of progress which IMO there isn't. better to cut them loose give them a chance elsewhere and give the club a chance to explore other opportunities. enough is enough..


:thumbsup: Agree. The only change to that is we have a new coaching/development regime and they must be given the chance to assess without previous bias.

I have said in other posts that I expect to turn over a minimum of 8-10 players at years end. The point is we cant do it to then. MM will use this year to make his own assessment regarding players.

Guys like Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Collins, OKeefe, Davies, Duigan, Curnow, Dale, Cachia (still dont get it), Hampson need to show a marked improvement and ability to handle AFL football this year or they will be gone.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:13 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
but synners,
duigs wasn't always pants.he was pretty good..ipso facto..can be again can't he?
Laids,like Simmo, should play himself into confidence and form.
I believe their B game is still better than some other nominee's A game.

Laidler was pants last year too.

His problem is he funbles and he has little agility lacks pace and hasnt the best disposal. He is hard but that wont cut it if you get the run around.

Simmo is a runner.
The other two are not

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:42 am 
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2010 draft seems to be an abomination but lets not give up hope on Watson carving out a career.

2011, well aside from this week we've had Boots, Buckley and Bell all play but they're just not holding their spot in the team right now (though I expect all three could become regulars).

I don't think it's the end of the world.

And on Simpson, his previous 170 games (his first seven were ordinary at best) have been outstanding contribution so I'm inclined to give the guy a break and hope that this is a blip in an otherwise quality contribution to the club.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:45 am 
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Synbad wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
but synners,
duigs wasn't always pants.he was pretty good..ipso facto..can be again can't he?
Laids,like Simmo, should play himself into confidence and form.
I believe their B game is still better than some other nominee's A game.

Laidler was pants last year too.

His problem is he funbles and he has little agility lacks pace and hasnt the best disposal. He is hard but that wont cut it if you get the run around.

Simmo is a runner.
The other two are not


Laidler when fit is quality as a lock down defender. He's better than Nick Maxwell in all facets in my opinion. Laidler was pants last year because he had a dysfunctional knee. Maybe it is still dysfunctional. I hope that's not the case.

Duigan has always had some troubles handing the ground level ball which at AFL level gets him torched. He's probably the one out of the lot that you'd suggest might be goners. I don't think we've seen the very last of him though.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:47 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Matthew Watson 2013. Still young. Possible
Luke Mitchell 2013. Coming from a long way back. Has played minimal footy in career. Needs patience
Marcus Davies 2013. Needs a good run injury free
Nick Duigan 2013. No, waste of pick
Edward Curnow (R) 2013. No
Aaron Joseph 2013, No
David Ellard 2013. Good rookie pick up
Andrew Collins. Like to see him get an injury free run


Psy I once read an interesting theory from a notable psychologist discussing one the typically recurring barriers to positive change, went something like this --> 'the more time you invest in an idea the harder it is to move past it, the mere notion that you may have to accept loss of investment is painful' How long can you persist Psy? lets be honest, the clubs already invested reasonable effort in exploring their potential, there needs to be reasonable signs of progress which IMO there isn't. better to cut them loose give them a chance elsewhere and give the club a chance to explore other opportunities. enough is enough..


:thumbsup: Agree. The only change to that is we have a new coaching/development regime and they must be given the chance to assess without previous bias.

I have said in other posts that I expect to turn over a minimum of 8-10 players at years end. The point is we cant do it to then. MM will use this year to make his own assessment regarding players.

Guys like Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Collins, OKeefe, Davies, Duigan, Curnow, Dale, Cachia (still dont get it), Hampson need to show a marked improvement and ability to handle AFL football this year or they will be gone.


That's why some the responses from supporters proclaiming (that we have sufficiently talented list who has under performed in the 3 rounds to date) perplexes me. FFS when you cut past your top 5 or 6 (who are a year older than last year, 2 years other than 2 years ago, 3 years older than 3 years ago) still persist on the starting talent bench mark as being being "a kick away from an elimination final" 23,345676 years ago. The teams that beat us thus far this year (only just), are not at the same level as they were several years ago, as painful as it may be to accept they have improved so the comparisons are bullshiat.

Fact is our current developed depth is shiathouse, our proven players are older than they were 23,345676 years ago..Try out the rest of those eligible on the list to see what they have to offer, get a team oriented play style in place, pi$$ off the players that aren't gonna improve your team to the level required and lets move the faaark on.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:49 am 
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On a lighter note.
Menzel, Temay, Graham and Cachia all appear to be doing quite well so far.

Shane Rogers first time at bat as national recruiting manager.

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cimm1979 wrote:
On a lighter note.
Menzel, Temay, Graham and Cachia all appear to be doing quite well so far.


I agree Cimm, the potential in latest bunch of recruits is positive.


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Anyhow,i am expecting Warnock to have a big game.Kruezer and Hampson's tap work has been ordinary this year,hence our poor centre clearance work.Warnock is our best tap ruckman for mine and i am backing him to give Murph,Judd and the others first use of the ball which makes a massive differance. Reckon Curnow with his running power is a good addition and is perfect to go with Gaff.Also backing Aaron Joseph to having his best game of the year by shutting down LeCras.As far as Kennedy and Darling ,pft......they arent travelling that well and i am thinking between Hendo,Jammo,and White there forwards will struggle..........................massive game for Jeffy and Yarran.if we go the longbomb they must be at the drop of the ball.As a matter of fact if all things remain equal i reckon if Jeff and Yarran can jag 3 each,we win.And im backing Jeff and Yarran to have big games.Blues by 11 points.

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cimm1979 wrote:
On a lighter note.
Menzel, Temay, Graham and Cachia all appear to be doing quite well so far.

Shane Rogers first time at bat as national recruiting manager.

Would agree with this...

(except for Graham being on the LTI list :oops: )

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DenimUndies wrote:
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DenimUndies wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Matthew Watson 2013. Still young. Possible
Luke Mitchell 2013. Coming from a long way back. Has played minimal footy in career. Needs patience
Marcus Davies 2013. Needs a good run injury free
Nick Duigan 2013. No, waste of pick
Edward Curnow (R) 2013. No
Aaron Joseph 2013, No
David Ellard 2013. Good rookie pick up
Andrew Collins. Like to see him get an injury free run


Psy I once read an interesting theory from a notable psychologist discussing one the typically recurring barriers to positive change, went something like this --> 'the more time you invest in an idea the harder it is to move past it, the mere notion that you may have to accept loss of investment is painful' How long can you persist Psy? lets be honest, the clubs already invested reasonable effort in exploring their potential, there needs to be reasonable signs of progress which IMO there isn't. better to cut them loose give them a chance elsewhere and give the club a chance to explore other opportunities. enough is enough..


:thumbsup: Agree. The only change to that is we have a new coaching/development regime and they must be given the chance to assess without previous bias.

I have said in other posts that I expect to turn over a minimum of 8-10 players at years end. The point is we cant do it to then. MM will use this year to make his own assessment regarding players.

Guys like Mitchell, McCarthy, Watson, Collins, OKeefe, Davies, Duigan, Curnow, Dale, Cachia (still dont get it), Hampson need to show a marked improvement and ability to handle AFL football this year or they will be gone.


That's why some the responses from supporters proclaiming (that we have sufficiently talented list who has under performed in the 3 rounds to date) perplexes me. FFS when you cut past your top 5 or 6 (who are a year older than last year, 2 years other than 2 years ago, 3 years older than 3 years ago) still persist on the starting talent bench mark as being being "a kick away from an elimination final" 23,345676 years ago. The teams that beat us thus far this year (only just), are not at the same level as they were several years ago, as painful as it may be to accept they have improved so the comparisons are bullshiat.

Fact is our current developed depth is shiathouse, our proven players are older than they were 23,345676 years ago..Try out the rest of those eligible on the list to see what they have to offer, get a team oriented play style in place, pi$$ off the players that aren't gonna improve your team to the level required and lets move the faaark on.


Are these really facts, or an opinion?

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And on Simpson, his previous 170 games (his first seven were ordinary at best) have been outstanding contribution so I'm inclined to give the guy a break and hope that this is a blip in an otherwise quality contribution to the club.


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I think going for mature age players with your main draft picks is a massive mistake. Rowe with our second pick and duigan with I think our 3rd?

In reality we probably could have got both with rookie picks.

We should be looking to pick up potential stars with second and third round picks. Not just relying on the first round. I think it's fair to say duigan and Rowe never were and never will be any more than good average AFL players, which is not a bad result, but a lot of the guns of the competition come from these later picks so it could be a lot better

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