Clearly ruined the defensive side of things, so what exactly is he here to fix?

We keep to the defensive statistics of the previous 3 years we probably win all 3 games so far......

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Again, we had no room to move on the list at the end of last year, hands were tied on contracted players. Yes, we made a play for Cloke but that was in the hope of an "A grade" player, or in Cloke's case, a vital cog in our structure that is missing & reducing our reliance on Waite, which is again proving to be a non-event.
How this was was to be list managed, I have no idea, as there would have to have been some serious adjustments. Free Agents will need to be looked at moving forward I.e. L.Franklin

No point trading for the sake of trading whilst costing $'s as well.

I think we'll see Menzel in the side before too long & Graham probably would have been a regular so far if not for injury.

MM has started with clean slates, hopefully stripping back & re-programming for a defensive mindset as instinctive team orientated football.
He can make ordinary footballers better & will be looking for those that follow what's placed out in front of them to take their opportunities as it looks like the entire list will be given a shot on the big stage.
I'm hoping that he can build up the playing list confidence & have team ethos working as one & also willing to work for Mick.
Some sort of Jedi skills coach & some tackling hypnosis is required however.

Is it just me or has MM ever so deftly commenced a rebuild ?

We're in some deep doo doo right now.

can't ruin something that isn't good.
He's been hired to stiffen things up. He hasn't after three weeks.
That's all you can judge do far.

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Taken us back to 07/08, free wheeling offensive shoot outs....only thing he's stiffening up is the opposition coaches woodies

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But that's a refection on where we were at last year.
Losing to port and start up clubs-

People need to get this through their heads. we squandered five years of development and structuring.
The competition does not wait for Carlton-take that to the bank.

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Last 3 weeks haven't been good
Havent yet played 4 quarters in a game
Embarrassed in 1 quarter of each game -leak easy goals continually
Forward line efficiency terrible beaten round the packs comprehensively
Not going to make finals unless there is a miracle
Same head case traits as last years
Gone backwards old enemies Essendon* Richmond have gone past us
Still intimidated by teams like collingwood and Geelong
Could have coped if we won 1 of 3 games but 0-3 terrible start
Pretty shocking start Synners in my view and first time since 87 that a malt house led team is 0-3 after 3 rounds
We were promised miracles got none now Sticks is on radio telling us to be patient
WE saw him and fahour sitting up in the corporate boxes having a wow of a time when teamis losing third game in a row
Shocking thing to say but at this stage don't want to watch upcoming train wreck against west coast

Sticks was in the stands looking at ways to fix things as only sticks knows.
Gun prez.


Yes bad start but we all knew it was potentially ugly.

I want to see how we bounce back this year!

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If we are 0 wins 10 losses then it will be panic time

But I think we will be 5 and 5 by round 10, with a noticeably different team to 2012.

Whatever marketing strategy/ media circus that the admin cooked up preseason to sell memberships, this year was always going to be about restructuring and adjusting.

We just have to keep faith that it will be more like when Ross Lyon took over Freo, and not an endless revolving door rabble ala Terry Wallace / Greg Miller.


I think it's too much of a stretch to claim that Mick should have been able to assess individual players on our list during his time as commentator to the point where he could come in and instantly sack or trade players. In reality he would have needed to trust that the footy department had a sound idea of what changes needed to be made initially. Next year he will have much more influence more than likely.

Don't forget there have been some pretty significant list decisions made recently that TC'ers have been howling out for.
JR - gone.
Bower - gone.

The key thing to remember is that we have a new footy manager and essentially a new recruiter.
A lot is changing - MM isn't the only new variable.

The key is to all work together in sync to gradually strengthen the list, the culture and the results.

The 'trading for the sake of trading' mantra is a myth. If we were serious about Cloke then we had at least some room to move. You don't deconstruct a large portion of your list off the cuff just to accommodate a player like Cloke, neither do you simply do nothing. Either the Carlton football club were gutless, Malthouse selfish, or we are making a play for a big name through free agency at the end of this year. If it was not the latter, then we have wasted a year.

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Nice summation Frank, as always. Agree with all of this.

1. The inability to slow the opposition surge and stop multiple goal leaks has killed us in every game
2. The one positive is that while these leaks threatened to blow the game completely we have managed to still be in it at the finish with a chance of winning in all three games.

This is a structural issue and a mental issue, not just an ability issue, but an issue about which MM must take charge.

Still, gIad I wont be going to the footy next week. Need a week off. No joy after 3 gut-wrenching losses

we won't have major changes overall till sticks is gone

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Only mistake is should of got mick year earlier

the mistake is hiring rats and then extending two times.
plenty of good young coaches since then. most would have done better-
it's football criminality what's happened.

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Agree Synners.
Imagine the freshness of a new President and Board. We are stale as.
The current Board has failed us. There is no getting away from that.

So he’s not as good as his reputation, his expectations or his pay cheque?
Anyone can use that excuse when coming into a new club, but that usually means taking over a club that is bottom 2-3 and hasn’t played finals for years. He’s got a list of 40 to work with (relatively injury free at the moment).
He has a competitive list. Not the most talented, not the toughest, not the oldest and not the youngest. It’s up to him to get them to play and win and not against the mediocre sides or once in a blue moon but now.
He’s not new at coaching and coached against these players for years and if you had listen to his commentary last year you would be of the same belief.
We agree on the end outcome but just not the interpretation or time frame.

Like your positive post Bluey and haven't checked the fixture but would be a miracle with this list to be 5/5 at round 10 -this is a team that loses to port gold coast etc so no match is assured - don't have a great record of winning streaks even when we were 5th a couple of years ago (remember that ) didn't win more than 3 on the trot because of mental fragility of group

Lets face it when we play Melbourne they will be primed for a win - thought we could easily account for Adelaide in round 5 nut lets face it with our defence Dangerfield the purp and taylor walker will have a picnic

disappointing start and paganesque era feel about it

I seriously believe we can beat WCE at Subiaco. The space will suit us and they aren't playing great footy.

We then have Crows at the G. Very winnable.
Melbourne at the G
St Kilda at ES
Port at ES
BL at Gabba
GWS at ES
Essendon* at G

We could easily be 7-5 at halfway, have some momentum and be a much better balanced side and playing more to the MM gameplan.

The second half of the year is a better draw and we could easily have Waite, Kruezer, Ellard, Graham, Menzel, Bootsma, McCarthy in our best 22.

A 14-8 or 15-7 record is very possible. I believe we are heading in the right direction!

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