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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:55 pm 
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All the guys wanting ratts out last year are now protecting MM and blaming ratts for everything.
All the guys that wanted Ratts to stay are attacking MM.

1st half of the game - Massive fail for MM
2nd half of the game - Pretty much Ratts style and we nearly won the game.

I think MM found out last night that his 2010 gameplan probably won't work in 2013. It definitely won't work without a couple key forwards taking and kicking goals.

Lots of work to be done, but have to give him time.

How the hell was t Ratten style?
The three most influential players were Walker / Gibbs and Judd.
Walker and Gibbs didnt play their Ratten patent positions.. and it was a more shared effort than give it to the champ style Ratts had.
Then the cameos of Eddie in the middleand Yarran almost stealing it at half forward.

I think youre dreaming with your eyes open.......

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:58 pm 
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We don't have time. This is our time, else you can lock up and hand back the keys. We rolled the dice in 2012.
Not everyone who supported Ratten is attacking MM. Some are waiting a little longer.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:08 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
All the guys wanting ratts out last year are now protecting MM and blaming ratts for everything.
All the guys that wanted Ratts to stay are attacking MM.

1st half of the game - Massive fail for MM
2nd half of the game - Pretty much Ratts style and we nearly won the game.

I think MM found out last night that his 2010 gameplan probably won't work in 2013. It definitely won't work without a couple key forwards taking and kicking goals.

Lots of work to be done, but have to give him time.

How the hell was t Ratten style?
The three most influential players were Walker / Gibbs and Judd.
Walker and Gibbs didnt play their Ratten patent positions.. and it was a more shared effort than give it to the champ style Ratts had.
Then the cameos of Eddie in the middleand Yarran almost stealing it at half forward.

I think youre dreaming with your eyes open.......

I was talking about game style, not positional changes. Anyway, cant be bothered explaining, have a good easter


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:13 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
All the guys wanting ratts out last year are now protecting MM and blaming ratts for everything.
All the guys that wanted Ratts to stay are attacking MM.

1st half of the game - Massive fail for MM
2nd half of the game - Pretty much Ratts style and we nearly won the game.

I think MM found out last night that his 2010 gameplan probably won't work in 2013. It definitely won't work without a couple key forwards taking and kicking goals.

Lots of work to be done, but have to give him time.

How the hell was t Ratten style?
The three most influential players were Walker / Gibbs and Judd.
Walker and Gibbs didnt play their Ratten patent positions.. and it was a more shared effort than give it to the champ style Ratts had.
Then the cameos of Eddie in the middleand Yarran almost stealing it at half forward.

I think youre dreaming with your eyes open.......

I was talking about game style, not positional changes. Anyway, cant be bothered explaining, have a good easter


The gamestyle is just footy... its what he did with the pieces over 5 years that bothers .
Havng the major players in our comeback doing totally different roles to the ones that Ratts gave them cant be the Ratten gameplan.. sorry...

cos if Yarran /Gibbs were floating around half back.
Judd was the main man
and Walker was at full forward means that what we saw with our very own eyes in the last quarter could not have been the Ratts gameplan.... sorry.

My Easter??... its in another month!!... but yeah i had a good non-Orthodox Good Friday :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:56 pm 
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there was nothing ratten about it

we played two different styles in two halves of football

implying a plan a) and a plan b)

we never had a plan b) under ratten

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:58 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
All the guys wanting ratts out last year are now protecting MM and blaming ratts for everything.
All the guys that wanted Ratts to stay are attacking MM.

1st half of the game - Massive fail for MM
2nd half of the game - Pretty much Ratts style and we nearly won the game.

I think MM found out last night that his 2010 gameplan probably won't work in 2013. It definitely won't work without a couple key forwards taking and kicking goals.

Lots of work to be done, but have to give him time.

How the hell was t Ratten style?
The three most influential players were Walker / Gibbs and Judd.
Walker and Gibbs didnt play their Ratten patent positions.. and it was a more shared effort than give it to the champ style Ratts had.
Then the cameos of Eddie in the middleand Yarran almost stealing it at half forward.

I think youre dreaming with your eyes open.......

I was talking about game style, not positional changes. Anyway, cant be bothered explaining, have a good easter


The gamestyle is just footy... its what he did with the pieces over 5 years that bothers .
Havng the major players in our comeback doing totally different roles to the ones that Ratts gave them cant be the Ratten gameplan.. sorry...

cos if Yarran /Gibbs were floating around half back.
Judd was the main man
and Walker was at full forward means that what we saw with our very own eyes in the last quarter could not have been the Ratts gameplan.... sorry.

My Easter??... its in another month!!... but yeah i had a good non-Orthodox Good Friday :thumbsup:


:lol: :lol:

Gday Synbad,

You need to work on your schtick when it comes to Walker. It is all over the place. You use to bag Ratts for not playing him forward.
Then Walker left telling Ratts he wanted to play forward. He has one good season there and then tells Malthouse he is keen on the backline after playing a decent game or two there in 2012.

1st half :- long bombs down the line to 3 on 1s. Kicking so long that our players pushing back had no chance of getting to the contest to create a squeeze. Then those players trying to get there are caught in between and watch the ball fly over their heads as the tigers easily turn defence into attack. Clearances terrible as the instructions appear to leave stoppages way open rather than the use tactics that have had us up the charts in clearances over the last few years. Keeping it tight only letting it out on our terms.

2nd Half ;- Run and carry keeping numbers around the ball. The odd player cheating forward of play (mclean). Shoot out.

Probably just habit but the Ratts style worked better. I was suprised Malthouse gave up on his that easy. I always thought he was more stubborn than that. I am sure he will revert though and try and build a team of players that can do what he wants not a team where he lets them do what they want to do and tries to get the best out of them molding that.

Still needs to work on their steel before anything though. Fold too easy.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:05 am 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
All the guys wanting ratts out last year are now protecting MM and blaming ratts for everything.
All the guys that wanted Ratts to stay are attacking MM.

1st half of the game - Massive fail for MM
2nd half of the game - Pretty much Ratts style and we nearly won the game.

I think MM found out last night that his 2010 gameplan probably won't work in 2013. It definitely won't work without a couple key forwards taking and kicking goals.

Lots of work to be done, but have to give him time.

How the hell was t Ratten style?
The three most influential players were Walker / Gibbs and Judd.
Walker and Gibbs didnt play their Ratten patent positions.. and it was a more shared effort than give it to the champ style Ratts had.
Then the cameos of Eddie in the middleand Yarran almost stealing it at half forward.

I think youre dreaming with your eyes open.......

I was talking about game style, not positional changes. Anyway, cant be bothered explaining, have a good easter


The gamestyle is just footy... its what he did with the pieces over 5 years that bothers .
Havng the major players in our comeback doing totally different roles to the ones that Ratts gave them cant be the Ratten gameplan.. sorry...

cos if Yarran /Gibbs were floating around half back.
Judd was the main man
and Walker was at full forward means that what we saw with our very own eyes in the last quarter could not have been the Ratts gameplan.... sorry.

My Easter??... its in another month!!... but yeah i had a good non-Orthodox Good Friday :thumbsup:


:lol: :lol:

Gday Synbad,

You need to work on your schtick when it comes to Walker. It is all over the place. You use to bag Ratts for not playing him forward.
Then Walker left telling Ratts he wanted to play forward. He has one good season there and then tells Malthouse he is keen on the backline after playing a decent game or two there in 2012.

1st half :- long bombs down the line to 3 on 1s. Kicking so long that our players pushing back had no chance of getting to the contest to create a squeeze. Then those players trying to get there are caught in between and watch the ball fly over their heads as the tigers easily turn defence into attack. Clearances terrible as the instructions appear to leave stoppages way open rather than the use tactics that have had us up the charts in clearances over the last few years. Keeping it tight only letting it out on our terms.

2nd Half ;- Run and carry keeping numbers around the ball. The odd player cheating forward of play (mclean). Shoot out.

Probably just habit but the Ratts style worked better. I was suprised Malthouse gave up on his that easy. I always thought he was more stubborn than that. I am sure he will revert though and try and build a team of players that can do what he wants not a team where he lets them do what they want to do and tries to get the best out of them molding that.

Still needs to work on their steel before anything though. Fold too easy.



Actually ... youre wrong.
I see walker as an aerobic midfielder... a guy that should be played to his strengths.

His main strengths are his ability to run all day at high pace.

In the pocket we dont utilise that endurance for the best of the club.

Yeah we do fold still... over 5 years of folding will do that to you... youre not going to cut it out in a week.
Though im confident we will improve in that area..... now that we have a coach

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:24 am 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:

:lol: :lol:

Gday Synbad,

You need to work on your schtick when it comes to Walker. It is all over the place. You use to bag Ratts for not playing him forward.
Then Walker left telling Ratts he wanted to play forward. He has one good season there and then tells Malthouse he is keen on the backline after playing a decent game or two there in 2012.

1st half :- long bombs down the line to 3 on 1s. Kicking so long that our players pushing back had no chance of getting to the contest to create a squeeze. Then those players trying to get there are caught in between and watch the ball fly over their heads as the tigers easily turn defence into attack. Clearances terrible as the instructions appear to leave stoppages way open rather than the use tactics that have had us up the charts in clearances over the last few years. Keeping it tight only letting it out on our terms.

2nd Half ;- Run and carry keeping numbers around the ball. The odd player cheating forward of play (mclean). Shoot out.

Probably just habit but the Ratts style worked better. I was suprised Malthouse gave up on his that easy. I always thought he was more stubborn than that. I am sure he will revert though and try and build a team of players that can do what he wants not a team where he lets them do what they want to do and tries to get the best out of them molding that.

Still needs to work on their steel before anything though. Fold too easy.



Actually ... youre wrong.
I see walker as an aerobic midfielder... a guy that should be played to his strengths.

His main strengths are his ability to run all day at high pace.

In the pocket we dont utilise that endurance for the best of the club.

Yeah we do fold still... over 5 years of folding will do that to you... youre not going to cut it out in a week.
Though im confident we will improve in that area..... now that we have a coach


Still think you Walker stuff needs to be refined. Especially when you talk about him and the way Ratts used him.
You want him as a hard running midfielder/winger. Fair enough but you have said plenty of other stuff about Walker when trying to rag Ratts that is inconsistent with that view.

9 years of folding. It goes way way back. Everyone knows that you can't lob Ratts with it although he did fail in five years to iron it out. The main reason i thought CFC best change it up for 2013.

Not into Malthouse though. Hate him with a passion. Which makes watching losses like the other night a lot easier. I now know how you felt hating Ratts as coach.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:14 am 
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Mick has a lot ahead of him

Why yes, he does.
17 other coaches at this stage. :smile:


nah, we'll be alright.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:36 am 
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club29 wrote:
Bigredisback wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Tonight was a total fail for the coach.

The Tigers are the weakest team we will face in the first 5 weeks. They are ORDINARY!

He is trying to completely rebuild our game style it will take time


He did revert to our old game style though. I never would have thought he would do that. He sold his soul.

Really game style means nothing though if he can't put together a group of players who don't fold like this group is famous for.

Hopefully he only looks at the 45 mins before half time and the undisciplined acts in the third. Identifies those who failed and have a history of failing and gives them a blast or a dropping regardless of how they played in the last 30 mins. There is a pattern and it often gets pushed to the side by an ultra attacking, almost comebacks in the last quarter.


He had no choice. We would've lost by 80+ the way it was going.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:52 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
there was nothing ratten about it

we played two different styles in two halves of football

implying a plan a) and a plan b)

we never had a plan b) under ratten


Whether you want to call it "ratten" football or not is irrelevant.
The reality is the players employed 2 styles of football on Friday. A boundary game which equated to kicking to contests and a more familiar game where they retained possession and took the game on through the corridor. The second is a style that has been drummed into them for several years and a gamestyle which they instinctively play when under pressure.
Even Malthouse admitted he was unsure about that style so to suggest it is his 'plan B' is incorrect IMHO.

Whichever is more successful will be determined with time. IMHO, to retrofit a gamestyle into a club without considering the strengths and weakness of the personnel is stubborn and moronic.
Lets hope a) I'm wrong or b) Mick employs an hybrid game that focusses on defence but utilises the strengths of the list.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:56 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
club29 wrote:
Bigredisback wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Tonight was a total fail for the coach.

The Tigers are the weakest team we will face in the first 5 weeks. They are ORDINARY!

He is trying to completely rebuild our game style it will take time


He did revert to our old game style though. I never would have thought he would do that. He sold his soul.

Really game style means nothing though if he can't put together a group of players who don't fold like this group is famous for.

Hopefully he only looks at the 45 mins before half time and the undisciplined acts in the third. Identifies those who failed and have a history of failing and gives them a blast or a dropping regardless of how they played in the last 30 mins. There is a pattern and it often gets pushed to the side by an ultra attacking, almost comebacks in the last quarter.


He had no choice. We would've lost by 80+ the way it was going.

Percentage is king in early rounds


To teach collingwood to play the way he wanted he would keep harry o on Fev while being bathed. He will let Shaw be tagged out of games off halfback for 2 seasons. He wore losses. With us he sold his soul straight up. It suprised me.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:05 am 
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the players have said that Malthouse hasn't changed the game plan alot, but rather just tweaked it a little. it seems obvious to me, that means getting the balance between defence and attack right. we saw the best and worst of this on thursday night.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:11 am 
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please explain?

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as Chris Judd says, early games are worth a lot more. :lol: :lol:

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CK95 wrote:
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Percentage is jake king in early rounds




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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:31 am 
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..as we've said over the years, we can't afford to carry passengers.. ..and we still are stuck with a few.. ..whatever gameplan MM works for our team, it takes total commitment.. ..our players can be lazy, its this that will take work, not so much the gameplan, which doesn't matter if players pick and choose their intensity..

..what we do know, is that MM does get a team all pulling in the same direction and working for eachother.. ..it will take some time to get our team, playing as a team.. ..which we havent done consistently enough in years.. ..but i believe he's capable of that..

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For me, this year is about Mick working out what he has at his disposal, who he need to dispose of and what he needs to bring in to fill the holes.

The players have a new way to learn and mick will work out who his a graders are and his core list of players to lead this and then will find the right kids to play the support roles. It might be we don't have the right ones on our list yet and he will have to find them via trade or vfl

For those who think a coach in his first year at a new club can come in with a completely new game plan to teach, with a playing group he hasn't developed nor recruiting for his style of play and take us to a premiership are delusional.

It's gonna take time. It might even take a tweak of his game plan but it will eventually click for us but it won't this year.

I'm expecting a radical change to our list come years end


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Please.
We've bought a 59 year old Grandfather in to do a rebuild?

The board said Ratten underperformed because he failed to make the top 4.
How does Malthouse suddenly have the luxury of rebuilding?
You people need to stay off the cones....

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