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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:46 am 
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So what have North, Bulldogs, Saints got to complain about?

They had a good deal at PP and they shat on it.
Now they have The Dome Deal, and we got dragged into that perhaps indirectly because of those 3 teams.

Tough titties you pricks.....they were played iby Evans', Samuels' and Collins' devious plan to screw Carlton and anyone who associated with them in terms of revenue to the club.


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I tried to not post in here again but just can't help it when someone within TC finally says something like this and gives me a glimmer of hope that not all our supporters put their heads in the sand. :idea: :thanks:

hahaha theyre gunna break existing contracts at the G with all clubs to play Carlton there after we were last on???

Get real!!!

thats what happens when we could have been first at the G instead of building the monstrosity we still ccant pay off....

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:13 am 
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... 2gdoa.html

Everybody on this website owes myself, Tommy Alvin's Wig and Surrey Blue an apology....


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 Post subject: Carlton's home: the 'G
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:37 am 
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Couldn't possibly be punt road oval, though its logical place....with public transport but zero infrastructure already there and fook all land to build new stands etc...

Back in Carlton, maybe, but lack of public transport and the hatred of other supporters to the place.

If they're willing to spend 100-150 massive ones then the docks next to the railway line should be a monty....just need the state government to give the land up for free and it's easily manageable.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:33 am 
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Carlton would be the cheapest option though, if that's what it's about which as we know probably will end up being the overriding reason.

The AFL only need it until 2025...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:35 am 
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Crack open the champagne, Surrey! :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:40 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/boutique-stadium-in-wings-20130319-2gdoa.html

Everybody on this website owes myself, Tommy Alvin's Wig and Surrey Blue an apology....


Not really.

Common sense and the AFL rarely go hand in hand.

So, what may be common sense often fails to become reality and unfortunately the AFL pulls the strings. I don't think many have argued with the common sense of a third stadium, rather they've argued about the likelihood that the AFL would let it happen. If that's now changing, then good for you, but it still doesn't alter what the facts have been up until this point.

For example, everybody on this website would prefer to play all of our home games at the G. But as has been said countless times in the past we don't control the fixture.

We can't click out fingers and suddenly live in Mosquito-Fleet-Tommy-Alvin's-Wig-Surrey-Blue world.

That's always been the difference, those understanding the AFL's role in the points at hand and those who continue to pretend reality is optional.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:27 am 
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Well said Camel.. :clap: :clap:


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In AFL land reality is mutual self-interest. We've always had something there of interest, an amazing under-utilised asset, and it now appears we have an opportunity to exploit their renewed interest. I expect our Board to be ready to negotiate. The Board would not be ready if they were happy just having a mish-mash of tenants such umpires and Storm.

I think MosFleet was decrying the lack of vision. And this announcement shows that anything is possible if you think bold. As it turns out it is now a possible reality. Lets see if they can make it happen!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:01 pm 
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You realise that if this plan came to actuality it wouldn't be our home ground anymore right? It would be an AFL owned and operated venue. We might be able to keep it as a training venue.

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Who says? That's where the Board come into it.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:39 pm 
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So they will arrange for the ground to be re-developed at no cost to CFC, allow us to keep it as our admin and training base during the week then on the weekend allow us to manage the venue and charge rent to smaller drawing clubs who are desperate to get out of their Dome contracts? And to keep those funds.

Why's nobody thought of this before.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:52 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
You realise that if this plan came to actuality it wouldn't be our home ground anymore right? It would be an AFL owned and operated venue. We might be able to keep it as a training venue.

I realised that it has not been our home ground for about 10 years, you just realised this now?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:59 pm 
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Interesting. There is already a boutique stadium ready to go, it's just that it's an hour down the highway. Using Kardinia Park would make so much sense, except for the fact that it involves a drive.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:25 pm 
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There's training and administration offices at Carlton too Charles! :thumbsup:

This article should prick up the ears of most Carlton members...including the likes of Mosquito Fleet and Surrey - because while I'd never doubt your passion for the Blues and your want to see them back playing at their traditional home - you should be very careful what you wish for. Because it would come at a cost.

In 2006, the AFL Commission hired a consultant to work out the pro's and con's of the AFL purchasing Carlton's lease. The lease between Carlton and the City of Melbourne expires in 2035. The consultant's recommendation to the AFL at the time was that it was 'too hard' - particularly as it was clear by that stage that a redevelopment of some sort would be done and there were extenuating circumstances with Master Plans, a staunch residents group and an imminent heritage listing of the Gardiner Stand.

All it takes is a Carlton board to view that the AFL controlling the lease would be its preferred method of improving its cash and debt positions and we're pretty much at the mercy of the AFL as to what we can do as a club.

Letting go of the lease would save the club about $2 million annually in maintaining the ground. That 'should' pay off the debt a lot quicker - but long-term, what would we lose? This isn't a Collingwood type situation whereby taxpayers are shelling out $4.5 million to a Victorian Premier League soccer club under a secret deal agreed to by a Collingwood suporting Premier (John Brumby), to ensure that the Collingwood Football Club have exclusive control of Olympic Park. This would be losing control of our ground and we'd be paying for the privilege to train and have administration HQ there. It wouldn't be Carlton playing there...it would be North Melbourne vs GWS....you get that right?

So we kind of got off the hook so to speak, because had that consultant said to the then AFL Commission 'That's a great idea...you should definitely do it', the then Board of our Football Club were more than willing to do it. Instead, we followed the path of the Bulldogs, Kangaroos and Melbourne Football Clubs and were granted annual special assistance to go along with a $4 million re-direction order from the AFL to keep our financial heads above water.

It probably should have been noted in that article that last year a Princes Park Master Plan was created by the City of Melbourne and emphasis was made on community sport, environmental stability and to 'Ensure no additional car parking spaces are introduced to Princes Park.' The aforementioned 2012 Master Plan has already reduced parking by about 1400 vehicles. Charles Happell can talk down Richmond as a boutique venue all he likes - but their strong-suit is the transport convenience and no residents. They'll even be able to play at night - Princes Park won't, and no one can park there! That's why Big Jack thought the underground car park was a winner. @#$%&! me...all this 'return to Princes Park' talk is like deja vu...but where Carlton playing is concerned...fuggedaboutit.


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It wouldn't be Carlton playing there...it would be North Melbourne vs GWS....you get that right?




I think this is the point that's lost on a few people

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I reckon I smell a "Gate E" Footscray Road development here.

Stage 1 - boutique 25,000 seat stadium.

Stage 2 - increase size and capacity to around 70,000 once the AFL get ownership and control of Etihad in 2025, which they will surely sell for re-development as soon as that happens.

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AGRO wrote:
I reckon I smell a "Gate E" Footscray Road development here.

Stage 1 - boutique 25,000 seat stadium.

Stage 2 - increase size and capacity to around 70,000 once the AFL get ownership and control of Etihad in 2025, which they will surely sell for re-development as soon as that happens.


Too late AGRO. The State Government has determined to further progress a proposal to develop the E-Gate site for urban development...OR what equates to 12,000 residents and 200,000 square metres of commercial and associated retail space.

Plans for a boutique Gate E Stadium were drawn up by Peddle Thorp Architects in 2010 at the AFL's request. They're now shelved.

http://www.pta.com.au/web/?page_id=3884


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:50 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
AGRO wrote:
I reckon I smell a "Gate E" Footscray Road development here.

Stage 1 - boutique 25,000 seat stadium.

Stage 2 - increase size and capacity to around 70,000 once the AFL get ownership and control of Etihad in 2025, which they will surely sell for re-development as soon as that happens.


Too late AGRO. The State Government has determined to further progress a proposal to develop the E-Gate site for urban development...OR what equates to 12,000 residents and 200,000 square metres of commercial and associated retail space.

Plans for a boutique Gate E Stadium were drawn up by Peddle Thorp Architects in 2010 at the AFL's request. They're now shelved.

http://www.pta.com.au/web/?page_id=3884


Be that as it may I reckon the AFL wont be able to sell Etihad quick enough when they get ownership of it in 2025 (does VFL Park ring a bell :wink: ) you would be talking well north of $500 million on real estate value alone.

So come 2025 there will be another AFL venue in Melbourne somewhere - unless of course there are no longer 9 teams playing in Melbourne. :wink:

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AGRO wrote:
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AGRO wrote:
I reckon I smell a "Gate E" Footscray Road development here.

Stage 1 - boutique 25,000 seat stadium.

Stage 2 - increase size and capacity to around 70,000 once the AFL get ownership and control of Etihad in 2025, which they will surely sell for re-development as soon as that happens.


Too late AGRO. The State Government has determined to further progress a proposal to develop the E-Gate site for urban development...OR what equates to 12,000 residents and 200,000 square metres of commercial and associated retail space.

Plans for a boutique Gate E Stadium were drawn up by Peddle Thorp Architects in 2010 at the AFL's request. They're now shelved.

http://www.pta.com.au/web/?page_id=3884


Be that as it may I reckon the AFL wont be able to sell Etihad quick enough when they get ownership of it in 2025 (does VFL Park ring a bell :wink: ) you would be talking well north of $500 million on real estate value alone.

So come 2025 there will be another AFL venue in Melbourne somewhere - unless of course there are no longer 9 teams playing in Melbourne. :wink:


You probably need to read my comments on pg 56 in the North Melbourne thread! They'll be gone by 2022.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:02 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
AGRO wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
AGRO wrote:
I reckon I smell a "Gate E" Footscray Road development here.

Stage 1 - boutique 25,000 seat stadium.

Stage 2 - increase size and capacity to around 70,000 once the AFL get ownership and control of Etihad in 2025, which they will surely sell for re-development as soon as that happens.


Too late AGRO. The State Government has determined to further progress a proposal to develop the E-Gate site for urban development...OR what equates to 12,000 residents and 200,000 square metres of commercial and associated retail space.

Plans for a boutique Gate E Stadium were drawn up by Peddle Thorp Architects in 2010 at the AFL's request. They're now shelved.

http://www.pta.com.au/web/?page_id=3884


Be that as it may I reckon the AFL wont be able to sell Etihad quick enough when they get ownership of it in 2025 (does VFL Park ring a bell :wink: ) you would be talking well north of $500 million on real estate value alone.

So come 2025 there will be another AFL venue in Melbourne somewhere - unless of course there are no longer 9 teams playing in Melbourne. :wink:


You probably need to read my comments on pg 56 in the North Melbourne thread! They'll be gone by 2022.



They will be a stand alone team in the VFL. :lol:

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