Russell a pie

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

BigKev wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

Can't really understand why we even bothered with this trade, unless Collingwood REALLY wanted him. Good luck to him anyway, hope he gets paid a shitload of cash to play in the 2's every week and contribute in no way to Collingwood actually winning anything*

But you know what, at least we FINALLY got involved in a trade.

*They'll probably turn him into a gun

Well I'm going to have a rant about this, but before I start let me clearly state one proviso : Carlton are only intending to use three picks in the national draft, (#11, #36, #56).

Why have we done this deal? We get NOTHING out it. Why not say to the Filth you can have Russell for a swap of your #48 for our #56? At least we'd get something. And if they "no, we'll take him as a delisted player" ... fine then. They can take the risk, albeit a small one, that someone else takes him. Makes no difference to us if they get him for #71 or as a delisted player -- we should've given ourselves at least a chance of gaining something.

That is all.

Nobody wanted Jordan as a free agent so of course they would not pay with a real draft pick or swap. The reason why clubs do these high pick deals with delisted players is to help them/the club they go to. If they switch under a trade they can start at the new club immediately i.e. when pre-season starts. If they wait for the next period for delisted players to be picked up they loose a couple of weeks. (Was explained by some recruiter on radio). So it is a courtesy thing. To think that any club would pay for a free agent / delisted player is silly. You people are only happy when you can bitch about the club.

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

mikkey wrote:

Nobody wanted Jordan as a free agent so of course they would not pay with a real draft pick or swap.
The reason why clubs do these high pick deals with delisted players is to help them/the club they go to. If they switch under a trade they can start at the new club immediately i.e. when pre-season starts.
If they wait for the next period for delisted players to be picked up they loose a couple of weeks. (Was explained by some recruiter on radio). So it is a courtesy thing. To think that any club would pay for a free agent / delisted player is silly.

You people are only happy when you can bitch about the club.

Should be read aloud by many here.............over and over.

JohnM · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:25 am

harker wrote:

mikkey wrote:

Nobody wanted Jordan as a free agent so of course they would not pay with a real draft pick or swap.
The reason why clubs do these high pick deals with delisted players is to help them/the club they go to. If they switch under a trade they can start at the new club immediately i.e. when pre-season starts.
If they wait for the next period for delisted players to be picked up they loose a couple of weeks. (Was explained by some recruiter on radio). So it is a courtesy thing. To think that any club would pay for a free agent / delisted player is silly.

You people are only happy when you can bitch about the club.

Should be read aloud by many here.............over and over.

10th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 11th, 15th, 16th, 16th, 11th, 15th, 16th.

I think people have every right to ask very hard questions about their club. And I'm sure once the club demonstrates it is operating effectively enough to genuinely challenge for a top 4 position, and from there a Premiership, supporters will be a lot more positive about things.

The overall tone of the discussion around the club is negative because we've had a terrible 10 years, and we're still a fair way off challenging for a flag. We just sacked a coach we pretty much just reappointed, we demoted our head of recruiting but kept him on staff, our key benefactor openly expressed his concerns that our board is dysfunctional, we sacked the coach of our development team because he was a part-timer, the people making these decisions are still there, and a whole generation of Carlton supporters have grown up seeing carlton as one of the poorest teams in the competition.

The average Carlton supporter can't be criticised for looking at Hawthorn, looking at Collingwood and looking at Carlton and thinking... what the hell happened to my club??

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:27 am

Yes! we must say its all really good and we Love it like this.....

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

JohnM wrote:

harker wrote:

mikkey wrote:

Nobody wanted Jordan as a free agent so of course they would not pay with a real draft pick or swap.
The reason why clubs do these high pick deals with delisted players is to help them/the club they go to. If they switch under a trade they can start at the new club immediately i.e. when pre-season starts.
If they wait for the next period for delisted players to be picked up they loose a couple of weeks. (Was explained by some recruiter on radio). So it is a courtesy thing. To think that any club would pay for a free agent / delisted player is silly.

You people are only happy when you can bitch about the club.

Should be read aloud by many here.............over and over.

10th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 11th, 15th, 16th, 16th, 11th, 15th, 16th.

I think people have every right to ask very hard questions about their club. And I'm sure once the club demonstrates it is operating effectively enough to genuinely challenge for a top 4 position, and from there a Premiership, supporters will be a lot more positive about things.

The overall tone of the discussion around the club is negative because we've had a terrible 10 years, and we're still a fair way off challenging for a flag. We just sacked a coach we pretty much just reappointed, we demoted our head of recruiting but kept him on staff, our key benefactor openly expressed his concerns that our board is dysfunctional, we sacked the coach of our development team because he was a part-timer, the people making these decisions are still there, and a whole generation of Carlton supporters have grown up seeing carlton as one of the poorest teams in the competition.

The average Carlton supporter can't be criticised for looking at Hawthorn, looking at Collingwood and looking at Carlton and thinking... what the hell happened to my club??

Discuss, but that whole ohh meeee, ohhhhhhh myyyyyyyyy, look at everyone else and "what about me?" tone, is ordinary at best.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

Russell a pie, you say?

Good thing Lance Whitnall isn't still about, or he'd eat him.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

I took your advice. I read it aloud many many times.

And guess what? .......... My club is still shit.

(But at least _I_ want them to do really well this year). ;-)

BigKev · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:05 pm

mikkey wrote:

BigKev wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

Can't really understand why we even bothered with this trade, unless Collingwood REALLY wanted him. Good luck to him anyway, hope he gets paid a shitload of cash to play in the 2's every week and contribute in no way to Collingwood actually winning anything*

But you know what, at least we FINALLY got involved in a trade.

*They'll probably turn him into a gun

Well I'm going to have a rant about this, but before I start let me clearly state one proviso : Carlton are only intending to use three picks in the national draft, (#11, #36, #56).

Why have we done this deal? We get NOTHING out it. Why not say to the Filth you can have Russell for a swap of your #48 for our #56? At least we'd get something. And if they "no, we'll take him as a delisted player" ... fine then. They can take the risk, albeit a small one, that someone else takes him. Makes no difference to us if they get him for #71 or as a delisted player -- we should've given ourselves at least a chance of gaining something.

That is all.

Nobody wanted Jordan as a free agent so of course they would not pay with a real draft pick or swap. The reason why clubs do these high pick deals with delisted players is to help them/the club they go to. If they switch under a trade they can start at the new club immediately i.e. when pre-season starts. If they wait for the next period for delisted players to be picked up they loose a couple of weeks. (Was explained by some recruiter on radio). So it is a courtesy thing. To think that any club would pay for a free agent / delisted player is silly. You people are only happy when you can bitch about the club.

So now we're facilitating Collingwood players getting a full pre-season?
That's not the Carlton I remember.

I also question why we were so quick to make the delistings too. As soon as that happens a player's trade value plummets. How is it to our advantage to make these decisions any earlier than we have to? Even if it's "more or less" decided, what's wrong with playing your cards close?

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:10 pm

I wouldnt be surprised if TBird and Bower get picked up also.....

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

moshe25 wrote:

I took your advice. I read it aloud many many times.

And guess what? .......... My club is still shit.

(But at least _I_ want them to do really well this year). ;-)

My club is shit? Divorce it.

Why stay married when it's such a shit experience and all you have left is to whinge to others about it/her?

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Cmon Harker objectively we are shit - havent been top 4 in 10 years - mismanagement of list has caused others to go past us - we ended up 10 th this year and yet we dont make any change to a list with clear deficiencies in the trade and free agency period because of our list mismanagement - we have a sloppy administration and a bloated board and rely heavily on a couple of rich benefactors - We never vote for new directors they just simply get appointed -we have just sacked our coach who had another year to run on his contract who had his contract renewed this time last year - we have paid the new coach #1mill per year he has got rid of all the assistants -who we are paying out and we go into the new season with less coaches than more - second year in a row where we have sat on our hands in trade week

understand why we might be a tad frustrated BY THESE CIRCUMSTANCES - doesnt mean we still dont bleed for the club or arent good members or supporters or want to divorce our club - you are entitled to think everything is fine
I think Im historically one of the most supportive enthusiastic positive posters in here but the litany of disasters set out above both on field and off field the last 12 months is breathtaking

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

frank dardew wrote:

Cmon Harker objectively we are shit - havent been top 4 in 10 years - mismanagement of list has caused others to go past us - we ended up 10 th this year and yet we dont make any change to a list with clear deficiencies in the trade and free agency period because of our list mismanagement - we have a sloppy administration and a bloated board and rely heavily on a couple of rich benefactors - We never vote for new directors they just simply get appointed -we have just sacked our coach who had another year to run on his contract who had his contract renewed this time last year - we have paid the new coach #1mill per year he has got rid of all the assistants -who we are paying out and we go into the new season with less coaches than more - second year in a row where we have sat on our hands in trade week

understand why we might be a tad frustrated BY THESE CIRCUMSTANCES - doesnt mean we still dont bleed for the club or arent good members or supporters or want to divorce our club - you are entitled to think everything is fine
I think Im historically one of the most supportive enthusiastic positive posters in here but the litany of disasters set out above both on field and off field the last 12 months is breathtaking

Have a read at some of the posts objectively and you'll see what I mean. Deal with things like a man though and not a whining school girl.

Be frustrated, be angry and maybe even tell the club how you feel, but don't repeat the same thing ad nauseum out of some petulant frustration.

We made mistakes and may even continue to do so, but make a choice: If it's all too hard to support, then maybe this game isn't for some. Just bagging the club at every call is.....well.....you know.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

harker wrote:

frank dardew wrote:

Cmon Harker objectively we are shit - havent been top 4 in 10 years - mismanagement of list has caused others to go past us - we ended up 10 th this year and yet we dont make any change to a list with clear deficiencies in the trade and free agency period because of our list mismanagement - we have a sloppy administration and a bloated board and rely heavily on a couple of rich benefactors - We never vote for new directors they just simply get appointed -we have just sacked our coach who had another year to run on his contract who had his contract renewed this time last year - we have paid the new coach #1mill per year he has got rid of all the assistants -who we are paying out and we go into the new season with less coaches than more - second year in a row where we have sat on our hands in trade week

understand why we might be a tad frustrated BY THESE CIRCUMSTANCES - doesnt mean we still dont bleed for the club or arent good members or supporters or want to divorce our club - you are entitled to think everything is fine
I think Im historically one of the most supportive enthusiastic positive posters in here but the litany of disasters set out above both on field and off field the last 12 months is breathtaking

Have a read at some of the posts objectively and you'll see what I mean. Deal with things like a man though and not a whining school girl.

Be frustrated, be angry and maybe even tell the club how you feel, but don't repeat the same thing ad nauseum out of some petulant frustration.

We made mistakes and may even continue to do so, but make a choice: If it's all too hard to support, then maybe this game isn't for some. Just bagging the club at every call is.....well.....you know.

nothing petulant or whiny about franks thoughts at all - just passionately laying out on the table what he sees as deficiencies

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:13 pm

Deal with things like a man Frank!!! :roll:

Harker... when people pay good money to their club when they could be doing something for their family... theyre entitled to feel frustrated and smack out at the club when they want.

thats what this blog is for......

If everybody said their piece one time....and walked away... we wouldnt have a blog.

The human is a very complex thing harker.... in life we also have individuals who dont complain... or even enjoy punishment... they are called masochists...
Others have a lower tolerance threshold......

..Others are not happy with pain and will unleash back at it...

Masochists cannot tell others how to accept pain......

simple!!!

SnickerS · **Joined:** Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:35 pm **Posts:** 1472

Where do my posts keep disappearing to?

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Can someone please send this to the i dont care board?

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

Why is this thread being hijacked?

Fact is that we did what all clubs do with players to be delisted if someone is happy to take them during trade instead. Do a "trade" with a high pick that is probably not going to be used. Happens all the time and does not matter which club it is. Why people start winching and carrying on about this is silly and demonstrates lack of knowledge.

Suddenly the discussion turns to peoples right "to ask the hard questions". Firstly this has nothing to do with this deal and secondly this happens in every other thread. The list management one is the right one to discuss the failings in the trade area. Hopefully list management will improve. I also find it problematic that we are so locked in to the draft (due to contracts and the 3 minimum rule) that it was very difficult to trade at all.

But as I said, nothing to do with Russell's move and can not understand what the winching is all about when there is no reason for it in this case. Comprende?

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10575

This year has shown me how much the club has become un-professional.
The club has lost it's dominance and dare I say it, will probably never regain it again. Sad really.
How we can possible just lose players for nothing is well beyond comprehesion considering what was traded, yes traded by others this trade period. I don't accept Russell, Bower and even T-Bird where not wanted!!!! Clubs don't have to pay for players when they know they will get them for FREE!!!! I'm expecting the other 2 to be at new clubs next year. That is something I won't and can't stomach.
Collingwood and dare I say Hawthorn, with their champion KP defender tradings have made us look 2nd rate and how. I won't hide from them facts and if others feel like putting their heads in the sand, like they have done previously fair enough but don't come in here and criticize others for saying what they believe.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

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