SEN, so shouldn't even respond, but I guess the fact they worked together on 3AW this year might have meant that some sort of relationship was formed....

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MM as new coach, MM's hand picked assistants, Cloke comes across, paying out Ratts. How far in debt are we still? How many players would have to be shown the door to fit Cloke on the list? I feel we need a class CHB more desperately than a gun CHF anyway. Enough already, we are already paying Judd a motza. I am as desperate as any for success, but not at the cost of financial stability, even the Pratts largesse must have limits.

I'd rather Ratts see out his contract and have a clean out of assistants (and the board) than a desperate knee jerk reaction involving the old, "all we need to do is throw money at the problem" attitude. I seriously worry about the culture at Carlton.

I remember laughing out loud when Pagan announced we'd be straight back into finals footy under him. I lost a lot of respect for him then and there, he was either delusional or a straight out bullshitter. There's very few quick fixes, a new coach can only do so much. The whole club and the way it's run needs to be looked at closely from top to bottom.

Adelaide Crows/Brenton Sanderson?

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"He was found guilty in June 2008 of assault with intent to cause bodily harm, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail."
And people are making his return to footy somewhat of a fairytale?

The only thing Sticks has said of any consequence is that there will be a review at the end of the season.

It should be of EVERY department and of every person at the club of any consequence from the president down.

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Ha - pretty sure she is wrong. Parkin retired on his own accord in 2000, with what seemed at the time to be a smooth transition to Brittain.

Been listening to KB this morning and he has been talking about Ratten. He brings up a good point. If MM is serious about not making a decision until October then what happens to Ratten until then? Either he is sacked now or strung along for a month which wouldnt be fair on him. If MM wants to coach then surely he has to make a decision straight away.
What a mess.

There's as much chance of Brereton accepting a role at Essendon* as their is for Lloyd to take one up at Carlton.

Who says its a mess Kezza? The public get told what the individuals want us to hear, it's media 101. KB is the king of stirring the pot.

Just sit back and wait for next week.

The only reasons mm won't be here next week are if Ratts keeps his job or Eddie has him legally binded to Collingwood until the end of the GF.

I think that one worked because the senior coach was pretty much the only thing holding the Crows back. At Carlton, the problems run deeper, and start with the very blokes who will be conducting the review.

My take was that Ratten would be stood down straight away with MM then not officially appointed until after season end.

This would give the impression of some sort of 'process' as well as avoiding what was deemed as the disrespectful prospect of a Fremantle situation where they seemingly sacked a bloke, and then hired his replacement within 45 minutes even if it turns out that our situation has in fact been a fait accomli since June.

We all know that the way these things are played out in the media is nowhere near close to what actually happens, but to a lot of people perception is reality.

In fairness I think since the Sticks' 3AW 'I cant guarantee anything" interview as well as Swann's "circumstances might change" MMM disaster the club has handled what is never an easy situation as well as they can.

Many have criticised them for saying nothing, but why bother coming out and making statements that you know are just going to be used against you later on down the track. "Full backing of the board, guaranteed to be coach in 2013 etc etc". ala the Essendon* Knight/Thompson/Hird fiasco.

When asked for comment "the full review at the end of the year" line has been the common theme and should have been from June when this whole mess started.

Just my 3c

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I don't think its a mess at all. What more could the club have said? Kernahan said they will wait until the end of the season then review all departments. Sounds fair enough to me.

If there is a decision to be made (and I believe its already done) then it has to be do the club believe Ratten can take the club to a Premiership and that incorporates a number of things. If so, he stays. If not he goes and they look for someone who can. Simple.

All this other stuff is about stirring debate and everyone having their say.

As for KB, IMO there is no one more irrelevant in football than him. Just a very negative individual who's initial thought is always the opposite.


FWIW I believe Ratten has been told already.

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I believe this as well. If he actually coaches this weekend we are likely to see one or two high profile omissions.

Me too.

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Not sure it is a mess given circumstances and bad loss to GC - best to wait until the end of the season as suggested AND THERE BE A REVIEW - gives ratts an opportunity to get another win and showcase his wares to Port Adelaide
MM by saying October is giving ratts breathing space this week and enabling the club to get through a tough week without any further drama

All the sacked coaches walls parkin watson bartlett always side with the incumbent because they have been there before

Everyone was hysterical about Lyon and Freo this time last year and poor mark harvey - as suggested yesterday it was the best thing Freo has done in its history - a surgical strike -replacing a dud with a gun from outside -and everyone finally realised at that time freo was a serious ruthless player and they havent looked back

template is there for Blues - as suggested yesterday we need a ruthless bastard who has tactical nous - has good people round him creates a good environment /culture gets the most out of our list and wont stop at anything to get us a premiership
I dont care if everyone hates him I dont care if he is doing it to stick it up Eddie or Bucks or it satisfies his ego as long as he delivers a premiership -its been too long 1995 is aeons ago

The review has been happening for a while now . Hasn't anyone noticed McKay in the coaches box ? Review completed and we are awaiting sign off from stakeholders .

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if he brings Billy Slater with him, I'm in!!

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i don't wanna spend my life explaining myself. Either you get it, or you don't- Frank Zappa

This.
I'm glad the ex-coaches club are speaking up for Ratts, but every time I hear Walls get on his soap box in defence of Ratts I take it with a grain of salt.

Sign me up. I won't pussyfoot around.
I'll drop those who need to be dropped.
I will take control of the playing group and have great player management.
I will implement my tactics and drills.
I will choose my assistants.

Most importantly, I WILL DELIVER NUMBER 17!

That's all that should be said in an interview. Because frankly thats what we need from a coach.

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"He was found guilty in June 2008 of assault with intent to cause bodily harm, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail."
And people are making his return to footy somewhat of a fairytale?

Aren't the Bombers trying to convince Ingles to switch?

The whole MM "if I don't coach next year, I never will" should be a massive warning to the people making the decisions.

AFAIC it's MM saying "I'm available and I have no intention of going through a process so don't @#$%&! around"

Well if Ratt's is gone then surely we need to open the position to everyone who may be suitable. I know the current thinking is we need an proven coach, but that belief is driven by the perception the club itself isn't a place that can support a newbie, even if he is shown to be the best available.

This position would command between $500k and $1.0m, surely there is more than one candidate?

If the club structure is so poor it can't support the next big thing in coaching surely the structure should be fixed so it does.

By picking MM do we miss out on a Scott, Clarkson, Sanderson, Longmire or even the next MM, Woosha, Roos, Lyon or Mathews.?

Will the current group of players fall for his endless stories of the ANZAC's, The Roman Legions or Hannibal?

MM is as much a risk as anyone else. If they appoint him fine, but don't do it because they reckon it will drag in an extra 5000 members and that he is the possessor of the secret recipe, because he doesn't. Do it because he is absolutely the best candidate.

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