No Praise for Ratts! (split topic)

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Braithy wrote:

GWS wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

GC last night had 13 of their best 22 out and had a team of kids. The same type of line up that we where saying was an excuse for us to lose during the season.

Great point.

I thought teams with injuries weren't able to win games.

tbf, the only teams the gold coast woulda beaten last night was us or GWS ... maybe Essendon*, then again, I can't be sure.

Just more excuses. Whatever 22 we put on the park we should beat GC & PA. We should still expect to beat anyone.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

What I hate hearing.

Ratten can't kick it for them

FFS Ratten prepares them, Ratten inspires them, Ratten leads them.

Ratten is the coach. The most important position at the club.

limestone · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:37 am **Posts:** 770

When the new ooach comes, I expect we may have to take one step or 2 backwards before going forward to reprogram some of theses players, change game style etc. it may even mean we mss the 8 again in the process. Lets hope we don't turn on the new coach in his first year.

Effes · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:30 am

Look at Adelaide this year - it can change very quickly.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10576

limestone wrote:

When the new ooach comes, I expect we may have to take one step or 2 backwards before going forward to reprogram some of theses players, change game style etc. it may even mean we mss the 8 again in the process. Lets hope we don't turn on the new coach in his first year.

Excuses for the new man are starting even before he walks into the job. :roll:

Exactly what I expected to be said, only I was waiting for half way through 2013 not before 2012 has finished. :lol:

Good luck with the new coach fellas. :wink:

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

limestone wrote:

When the new ooach comes, I expect we may have to take one step or 2 backwards before going forward to reprogram some of theses players, change game style etc. it may even mean we mss the 8 again in the process. Lets hope we don't turn on the new coach in his first year.

I don't agree. I see us as having a list really ready to step up.

I don't believe at any stage we have played anywhere near our potential. A new coach should bring consistency, discipline and a modern and fully team oriented structure.

Players should also be very clear in their roles and if their is an injury or a form issue someone is ready to step straight in.

There will be an adjustment period but I don't expect it to take that long.

Darth_Blue · **Joined:** Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:31 am **Posts:** 30

Is there anybody that is close to the club that can give an excuse for the reason Ratten's sacking is taking so long?
It's almost midday the Sunday after the game. Surely they could have called a board meeting for 9am (giving these useless show ponies a sleep in) and made a decision by 11am. The decision is really not that hard to make.

It's quarter to 12 and there has been no press conference called. What are they waiting for? Are they doing the nice thing and giving Brett Ratten the Sunday off or something? I mean... You don't need to feel sorry for Brett Ratten. He has done absolutely nothing with the list in 5 years and any improvement has been through natural progression. Who else on this forum will get $300-400k next year for doing absolutely nothing. So please don't feel sorry for him.

CarltonFC, please call the press conference now and end all this speculation.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2646

I have to say I haven’t been a huge fan of Ratten’s coaching but I really feel for him right now.
The thing is we will improve next year regardless of who coach’s.
Tom Harley made some good points on game day today about the players taking responsibility but to those out for personal satisfaction I don’t think anything anyone says makes any difference to you as long as you feel validated by yesterday’s outcome.
However the real disturbing issue for me is how everyone has pushed their own personal agenda at every chance even to the point of salivating at our worst lose ever.
Whether we support his coaching or not we should treat Ratten with respect, treat with the upmost dignity and try to keep around the club for now and the future not attack personally and defamatory.
I’m not talking about coaching but for the history and what he has contributed to it, as a B&F, premiership player and legend of the CFC.
If we sit back and take some time to reflect for a moment away from our own personal gratification we might consider that he has contributed more to the CFC than what you and I have and he might want the club to succeed again like we remember.
Showing some empathy and understanding at one of our legends right now should separate us from the rest but apparently we are just as bad if not worst as the rest.
Yes I know we have infinite wisdom, knowledge, answers and a groundless pit of metaphors to make us better placed to demean or judge some one who has done more for the CFC than we could.

JohnM · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:51 am

Darth_Blue wrote:

Is there anybody that is close to the club that can give an excuse for the reason Ratten's sacking is taking so long?

There's 38 board members and it takes time to gather them all in the one place.

Jeannie probably needs her rest.

3 days ago, Sticks was probably sinking crownies with a few fellow board members throwing around the idea of giving Ratts another 3 years, 'cos he'd turned the corner and addressed all his weaknesses in a 4 week period.

We probably don't have a board, we probably have 2 or 3 boards, each with their own take on things.

There is not a single leader at the club who can drive this thing. Swann has his power base. The Pratts have theirs. The Matheisons theres. Kernahan has a couple of mates there. But no true leadership. It's an effing dog's breakfast.

And, to be fair, there's no point sacking a guy with one game to go. At least not publicly.

(I'm not close to the club. Thank God.)

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:57 am

redback wrote:

I have to say I haven’t been a huge fan of Ratten’s coaching but I really feel for him right now.
The thing is we will improve next year regardless of who coach’s.
Tom Harley made some good points on game day today about the players taking responsibility but to those out for personal satisfaction I don’t think anything anyone says makes any difference to you as long as you feel validated by yesterday’s outcome.
However the real disturbing issue for me is how everyone has pushed their own personal agenda at every chance even to the point of salivating at our worst lose ever.
Whether we support his coaching or not we should treat Ratten with respect, treat with the upmost dignity and try to keep around the club for now and the future not attack personally and defamatory.
I’m not talking about coaching but for the history and what he has contributed to it, as a B&F, premiership player and legend of the CFC.
If we sit back and take some time to reflect for a moment away from our own personal gratification we might consider that he has contributed more to the CFC than what you and I have and he might want the club to succeed again like we remember.
Showing some empathy and understanding at one of our legends right now should separate us from the rest but apparently we are just as bad if not worst as the rest.
Yes I know we have infinite wisdom, knowledge, answers and a groundless pit of metaphors to make us better placed to demean or judge some one who has done more for the CFC than we could.

Ratts is a coach.
Same as Knights was at Richmond

Blueboy74 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:02 pm

JohnM wrote:

Darth_Blue wrote:

Is there anybody that is close to the club that can give an excuse for the reason Ratten's sacking is taking so long?

There's 38 board members and it takes time to gather them all in the one place.

Jeannie probably needs her rest.

3 days ago, Sticks was probably sinking crownies with a few fellow board members throwing around the idea of giving Ratts another 3 years, 'cos he'd turned the corner and addressed all his weaknesses in a 4 week period.

We probably don't have a board, we probably have 2 or 3 boards, each with their own take on things.

There is not a single leader at the club who can drive this thing. Swann has his power base. The Pratts have theirs. The Matheisons theres. Kernahan has a couple of mates there. But no true leadership. It's an effing dog's breakfast.

And, to be fair, there's no point sacking a guy with one game to go. At least not publicly.

(I'm not close to the club. Thank God.)

I know it's only Barrett, but just claimed this morning on the C9 Footy Show that Swann and Ratten dont speak, and I have heard elsewhere that there is a story going around that it was going to be one or the other that survived next year.

I've lost track these days, but is this a common one? Does anyone get on with anyone down there any more?

I know that Mickstar is constantly telling him to mind his own business and worry about the off-field stuff, others have speculating that he got lazy and comfortable in his position since Richard passed on, others reckon he simply uses the power and position as a gateway to the mixing with the corporate world.

Like JohnM, I'm obvioulsy not close to the club, but apart from AndyMac do we have faith in anyone to get anything right in this entire club 'review'?...

camel · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:03 pm

GWS wrote:

It's all about leadership from where I'm sitting. Great coaches get ongoing great performances out of their players.

I don't blame the players. They've been mollycoddled and told the sun shines out of their arse since the mid 90s and they believe that shit. We tried to get them to HTFU a few years back. What did we do? We got one player a week to wear a bracelet... :lol:

That was supposed to harden us up?

You can't make this shit up.

Time for a coach (whomever that might be) who will play every player based on merit, cut those who don't cut it and instill some hardness.

Bunch of softcocks at the moment but it's the club And the coaching staff who have bred them.

I think it's fair to question the players and their wavering intensity. But ultimately I agree with GWS, the players evolve and learn within the environment created by the club/coach.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

camelboy wrote:

GWS wrote:

It's all about leadership from where I'm sitting. Great coaches get ongoing great performances out of their players.

I don't blame the players. They've been mollycoddled and told the sun shines out of their arse since the mid 90s and they believe that shit. We tried to get them to HTFU a few years back. What did we do? We got one player a week to wear a bracelet... :lol:

That was supposed to harden us up?

You can't make this shit up.

Time for a coach (whomever that might be) who will play every player based on merit, cut those who don't cut it and instill some hardness.

Bunch of softcocks at the moment but it's the club And the coaching staff who have bred them.

I think it's fair to question the players and their wavering intensity. But ultimately I agree with GWS, the players evolve and learn within the environment created by the club/coach.

Yep!

camel · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:09 pm

It's a question of effort.

Obviously the effort from the players last night was well below the expected standard.

Contrast that to our willingness to fight for the win against Richmond, our two stellar performances against Collingwood and the payback (if that's the right term) we served Essendon* last week.

And you start to wonder if Ratten's effort against our traditional rivals has been increased while his effort against the also rans (GWS, Port and Suns) has been lacking?

Given the circumstances, I cannot think of any reason why we were so poor at the contest in the first half last night other than complacency. The way I see it there's a fair chance that complacency exists in other places than just the playing group.

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1650

I'm still waiting for Judd to make a splash! Ratts said he would.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7205

Does anyone know or have an opinion here; How will the 'boy's club' affect our future moving forward?

If -- obviously, when -- Ratten is replaced, and just say Malthouse is installed. Will our board allow him complete autonomy over our entire football department?

I remember hearing Pagan had ideas and wanted to ring in some changes here & there, but the board told him, "No" ...

ie If malthouse wants to recruit differently and structure the Ants differently, will he be allowed? If he has ideas about our list, and wants to trade say Kruezer (or one of the highly regarded kids, say for argument's sake) will he be allowed to?

I could see if MM was not given full freedom, that in itself would create another bad environment and stall any success.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2646

Synbad wrote:

redback wrote:

I have to say I haven’t been a huge fan of Ratten’s coaching but I really feel for him right now.
The thing is we will improve next year regardless of who coach’s.
Tom Harley made some good points on game day today about the players taking responsibility but to those out for personal satisfaction I don’t think anything anyone says makes any difference to you as long as you feel validated by yesterday’s outcome.
However the real disturbing issue for me is how everyone has pushed their own personal agenda at every chance even to the point of salivating at our worst lose ever.
Whether we support his coaching or not we should treat Ratten with respect, treat with the upmost dignity and try to keep around the club for now and the future not attack personally and defamatory.
I’m not talking about coaching but for the history and what he has contributed to it, as a B&F, premiership player and legend of the CFC.
If we sit back and take some time to reflect for a moment away from our own personal gratification we might consider that he has contributed more to the CFC than what you and I have and he might want the club to succeed again like we remember.
Showing some empathy and understanding at one of our legends right now should separate us from the rest but apparently we are just as bad if not worst as the rest.
Yes I know we have infinite wisdom, knowledge, answers and a groundless pit of metaphors to make us better placed to demean or judge some one who has done more for the CFC than we could.

Ratts is a coach.
Same as Knights was at Richmond

Don't you mean
Hird at Essendon*
Worsfold at WC
Buckley at Collingwood
Voss at BL

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

I think it's fair to assume that nothing will happen until after the Saints game. But it will be quick after that. I think the club knows that they will struggle to get 40k members. The main risk is that the Sticks faction will try to get Cloke to create excitement without changing coach.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:03 pm

redback wrote:

Synbad wrote:

redback wrote:

I have to say I haven’t been a huge fan of Ratten’s coaching but I really feel for him right now.
The thing is we will improve next year regardless of who coach’s.
Tom Harley made some good points on game day today about the players taking responsibility but to those out for personal satisfaction I don’t think anything anyone says makes any difference to you as long as you feel validated by yesterday’s outcome.
However the real disturbing issue for me is how everyone has pushed their own personal agenda at every chance even to the point of salivating at our worst lose ever.
Whether we support his coaching or not we should treat Ratten with respect, treat with the upmost dignity and try to keep around the club for now and the future not attack personally and defamatory.
I’m not talking about coaching but for the history and what he has contributed to it, as a B&F, premiership player and legend of the CFC.
If we sit back and take some time to reflect for a moment away from our own personal gratification we might consider that he has contributed more to the CFC than what you and I have and he might want the club to succeed again like we remember.
Showing some empathy and understanding at one of our legends right now should separate us from the rest but apparently we are just as bad if not worst as the rest.
Yes I know we have infinite wisdom, knowledge, answers and a groundless pit of metaphors to make us better placed to demean or judge some one who has done more for the CFC than we could.

Ratts is a coach.
Same as Knights was at Richmond

Don't you mean
Hird at Essendon*
Worsfold at WC
Buckley at Collingwood
Voss at BL

yes and when theyre no good they will be sacked.

bank on it...

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

Effes wrote:

Look at Adelaide this year - it can change very quickly.

I agree, it can. Of course we all know that doesn't mean that the club can take it easy. We don't yet know how to make it happen.

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