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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:54 am 
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Now is the right time for Ratten to fall on his sword !!
They'll have to sack him otherwise he won't get paid out.



If he is so passionate about the club and loves it so much much, he should resign !!!

When can we expect to see the press conference of Rattens, resigning,,,,,,,,,,,,

or sacking !!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:24 am 
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Outback Blue wrote:
When can we expect to see the press conference of Rattens, resigning,,,,,,,,,,,,


Not sure when, but I'm expecting it to open with 15 minutes of Ratten rattling off stats: %'s of 2nd quarters won under his tenure... F50 entries over the last 5 years top 5 in the AFL...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:04 am 
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Synbad wrote:

Interesting to see that mediocrity is tolerated at such a high pitch.

Another season for Ratts???



I can't see a way for Ratten to coach beyond this season. I can't advocate any longer for him. Let's get that out the way off the bat.

In saying that, though. Our players have a lot to answer for. How can you have a third more forward 50 entries, a third more scoring shots and only execute 50% disposal efficiency?

Our list and our player's culture is flawed. They choose when to turn up. And they really do get ahead of themselves so much so ... that I don't know if I could stand them if they were a long term winning team. I mean they get a big head after they barely scrape past Melbourne Demons. It's all high-fives and twitter. In a game they barely won and were far from convincing.

And predictably we go out, don't turn up and lay an egg against Port.

While Ratten may fall short in the motivation department to get the guys up for games, a fair bit of the onus has to fall onto the playing group as a whole. Does it not?

I feel for ratten. He looked as surprised as we did last night in the box. We were all asking what happened to the team from last weekend. Hard at it, and with impeccable skills.

We are a jekyl and hyde outfit .... And I gotta be honest, I can't see MM or any other coach coming in here with this current playing group and extracting more from it? How do you coach a team that can deliver 71% disposal efficiency one week, then 50% the following week against the likes of Port & GCFC?

For once synners, instead of pointing fingers and telling us what's wrong, let's hear how we can fix it, and who will do it?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:32 am 
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It's all about leadership from where I'm sitting. Great coaches get ongoing great performances out of their players.

I don't blame the players. They've been mollycoddled and told the sun shines out of their arse since the mid 90s and they believe that shit. We tried to get them to HTFU a few years back. What did we do? We got one player a week to wear a bracelet... :lol:

That was supposed to harden us up?

You can't make this shit up.

Time for a coach (whomever that might be) who will play every player based on merit, cut those who don't cut it and instill some hardness.

Bunch of softcocks at the moment but it's the club And the coaching staff who have bred them.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:33 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Synbad wrote:

Interesting to see that mediocrity is tolerated at such a high pitch.

Another season for Ratts???



I can't see a way for Ratten to coach beyond this season. I can't advocate any longer for him. Let's get that out the way off the bat.

In saying that, though. Our players have a lot to answer for. How can you have a third more forward 50 entries, a third more scoring shots and only execute 50% disposal efficiency?

Our list and our player's culture is flawed. They choose when to turn up. And they really do get ahead of themselves so much so ... that I don't know if I could stand them if they were a long term winning team. I mean they get a big head after they barely scrape past Melbourne Demons. It's all high-fives and twitter. In a game they barely won and were far from convincing.

And predictably we go out, don't turn up and lay an egg against Port.

While Ratten may fall short in the motivation department to get the guys up for games, a fair bit of the onus has to fall onto the playing group as a whole. Does it not?

I feel for ratten. He looked as surprised as we did last night in the box. We were all asking what happened to the team from last weekend. Hard at it, and with impeccable skills.

We are a jekyl and hyde outfit .... And I gotta be honest, I can't see MM or any other coach coming in here with this current playing group and extracting more from it? How do you coach a team that can deliver 71% disposal efficiency one week, then 50% the following week against the likes of Port & GCFC?

For once synners, instead of pointing fingers and telling us what's wrong, let's hear how we can fix it, and who will do it?

Really?? You were surprised??? :-) :-)

We've been trying to warn you for months!!!!! You just don't listen! The writings been on the wall for god knows how long. Once we lost to Port, it was all over. Who do you have to be to not see that?

( I sent a boat, I sent a helicopter,........)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:48 am 
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Really?? You were surprised??? :-) :-)

We've been trying to warn you for months!!!!! You just don't listen! The writings been on the wall for god knows how long. Once we lost to Port, it was all over. Who do you have to be to not see that?

( I sent a boat, I sent a helicopter,........)



I told you so's are too easy. You've been warning us for months. Which is easy.

Enough about the past. Lets look forwards.

Start a positive discussion on what it's gonna take to right the ship. Who needs to coach us?

If we're cutting Ratten and the last 5 years of gameplan structure and recruiting. Do we completely retool the roster with mass tradings?

Lets put all the oneupmanship and petty squabbling aside, and leave that to the bomber fans. We're better than them.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:59 am 
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Our gameplan is built around individuals being the main players and others doing jobs like tagging or whatever.
Judd and Murphy dont run as hard as other players form other clubs.
Its about kicking it to Fev... or Betts.. or handing it to Judd.


Therefore players dont have the individual dare and leadership to develop.

cloke plays well against Geelong in the gf last year early.. Taylor and Lonergan alk and a switch is made.. on the ground.
Cloke is no longer a factor.. Geelong smash them.

Players need to be brave to lead and make adjustments on the field... it wont happen with a clueless guy trying to control all aspects of the opposition in his focus instead of encouraging greatness from our own player.

Ratts is way too reactive to allow our layers to bloom.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:09 am 
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If the players don't buy in to what the coach wants them to do. If they don't have faith that the gameplan they have drilled into them will get them out of a hole.
If they can't execute when faced with extreme physical pressure, then this is what results.

It's not Ratts' fault. He just isn't capable of taking them past finals aspirants and participants.

What MM will do is empower every player that they are as important as Judd or Murphy and let Judd know he is no more important than Ellard on the field. Whatever Ellard is expected to do, shepherd, harass, decoy etc, he can do too.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:38 am 
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Agreed with others about the culture of our playing group, and how they always seem to believe their own press hype following a big win.
Its been a constant in the Ratten years, that following a big win, you could almsot guarantee no matter who we play the next week, that we'll either lose or put in a shocking effort.

Ultimately, the person responsible for the mindset and motivation of the group is the coach.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:39 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
If the players don't buy in to what the coach wants them to do. If they don't have faith that the gameplan they have drilled into them will get them out of a hole.
If they can't execute when faced with extreme physical pressure, then this is what results.

It's not Ratts' fault. He just isn't capable of taking them past finals aspirants and participants.

What MM will do is empower every player that they are as important as Judd or Murphy and let Judd know he is no more important than Ellard on the field. Whatever Ellard is expected to do, shepherd, harass, decoy etc, he can do too.


You mean a game plan based on "give it to the champ" didn't work?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:43 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Synbad wrote:

Interesting to see that mediocrity is tolerated at such a high pitch.

Another season for Ratts???



I can't see a way for Ratten to coach beyond this season. I can't advocate any longer for him. Let's get that out the way off the bat.

In saying that, though. Our players have a lot to answer for. How can you have a third more forward 50 entries, a third more scoring shots and only execute 50% disposal efficiency?

Our list and our player's culture is flawed. They choose when to turn up. And they really do get ahead of themselves so much so ... that I don't know if I could stand them if they were a long term winning team. I mean they get a big head after they barely scrape past Melbourne Demons. It's all high-fives and twitter. In a game they barely won and were far from convincing.

And predictably we go out, don't turn up and lay an egg against Port.

While Ratten may fall short in the motivation department to get the guys up for games, a fair bit of the onus has to fall onto the playing group as a whole. Does it not?

I feel for ratten. He looked as surprised as we did last night in the box. We were all asking what happened to the team from last weekend. Hard at it, and with impeccable skills.

We are a jekyl and hyde outfit .... And I gotta be honest, I can't see MM or any other coach coming in here with this current playing group and extracting more from it? How do you coach a team that can deliver 71% disposal efficiency one week, then 50% the following week against the likes of Port & GCFC?

For once synners, instead of pointing fingers and telling us what's wrong, let's hear how we can fix it, and who will do it?

Really?? You were surprised??? :-) :-)

We've been trying to warn you for months!!!!! You just don't listen! The writings been on the wall for god knows how long. Once we lost to Port, it was all over. Who do you have to be to not see that?

( I sent a boat, I sent a helicopter,........)


Its hard to argue after we have a win. The same people with very short term thinking jump up and down and think everything is okay.

We have a habit of folding when we need to stand up. Last week although good to watch was against a side that gave up.

GC last night had 13 of their best 22 out and had a team of kids. The same type of line up that we where saying was an excuse for us to lose during the season.

People don't get it, it is so much more. Unless you have a "strong" coach, CEO and President you are in trouble.

This is a cultural issue. Mediocrity has been acceptable at this club for over a decade.

Changes need to happen in so many areas.

A new coach

A new President and possibly

A new CEO

NOW!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:48 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

This is a cultural issue. Mediocrity has been acceptable at this club for over a decade.

Changes need to happen in so many areas.

A new coach

A new President and possibly

A new CEO

NOW!!!!!!


This is what scares me most going forward.

A complete revamp is needed, and anything less is shuffling the deck chairs.

We will not get a complete revamp ever. Too many protecting their own self-interests to fall on the necessary sword.


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ThePsychologist wrote:

This is a cultural issue. Mediocrity has been acceptable at this club for over a decade.

Changes need to happen in so many areas.

A new coach

A new President and possibly

A new CEO

NOW!!!!!!


This is what scares me most going forward.

A complete revamp is needed, and anything less is shuffling the deck chairs.

We will not get a complete revamp ever. Too many protection their own self-interests to fall on the necessary sword.


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ThePsychologist wrote:
GC last night had 13 of their best 22 out and had a team of kids. The same type of line up that we where saying was an excuse for us to lose during the season.


Great point.

I thought teams with injuries weren't able to win games.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:53 am 
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GC last night had 13 of their best 22 out and had a team of kids. The same type of line up that we where saying was an excuse for us to lose during the season.


Great point.

I thought teams with injuries weren't able to win games.



they had 18 players with less than 50 games

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Synbad wrote:

Players need to be brave to lead and make adjustments on the field... it wont happen with a clueless guy trying to control all aspects of the opposition in his focus instead of encouraging greatness from our own player.


Yeah ... that is definitely the difference between the Geelong's and Hawthorns of the league and us.

Will MM provide this leadership, and inspire the greatness? If not him, who can, Roos?

On another note. Can we afford to pay out ratten and then buy a blue chip coach?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:54 am 
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GWS wrote:
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GC last night had 13 of their best 22 out and had a team of kids. The same type of line up that we where saying was an excuse for us to lose during the season.


Great point.

I thought teams with injuries weren't able to win games.


GWS. This is what is the big underlying issue.

We always have EXCUSES. Strong clubs don't.

It really annoys me, EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES.

It is the sign of a club that although voices its desire for success, don't really believe it!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:54 am 
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GWS wrote:
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GC last night had 13 of their best 22 out and had a team of kids. The same type of line up that we where saying was an excuse for us to lose during the season.


Great point.

I thought teams with injuries weren't able to win games.


tbf, the only teams the gold coast woulda beaten last night was us or GWS ... maybe Essendon*, then again, I can't be sure.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:56 am 
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Braithy wrote:
On another note. Can we afford to pay out ratten and then buy a blue chip coach?


That is NOT an issue.

Couple of points.

There are a number of benefactors that will pay him out.

Also, the signing of a MM or alike will attract sponsorship money and lots of it.

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I reckon our biggest problem is the draw and the fact that we don't get to play Carlton twice a year.

We usually get up for those games against once great clubs and two extra wins rather than losses to fiercely competitive teams like GC and Port would've been handy this year.

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