Over the first 5 years Ratten's overall record is worse than Thomas, Connolly, and Gieschen. If Gieschen was poor coach, then by your logic of basing the decision on a win/loss ratio Ratten must be worse.

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Some good discussion on Ratts now at the start of League Teams, hopefully The Wookie had his recorder going.

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League Teams - David Parkin on Ratten
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Here, here Parko!!!

And Parkin hates media speculation on Rattens future...

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He is strong on Ratten.

Good enough for me

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Yep. Always best to let others do your critical thinking for you, isn't it. Life's easier and less complicated that way.

I dunno John. Letting others -- from a stronger position of experience and knowledge -- influence you?

Or

Get stuck in an archaic way of thinking, and demanding after 5 years of steady improvement that we replace our coach, because you think you're entitled to a flag sooner based on we just bought our titles in the 80's.

Hmmm. You're not giving me much of an option here.

One elim finals win in 5 years isnt actually dizzy heights stuff...
he might make the finals this year... or not... and if he doesnt win a game.. its actually 1 elim in 6 seasons
Its actually just mediocre......

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That is your opinion. I don't share it at all.

The hole CFC were in when ratten took over was huge. Judd, 3 highly rated kids, a bunch of firstgraders and then the list filled out with scrubs, 3rd rate talent and under achievers.

Ratten's first 3 years were a write-off. What Ratten has achieved in the last 2 years is pretty good. Good enough for me, especially when we are on the way up.

A bunch of talented kids about to hit their prime, some good vets and some unreal kids coming through the ranks ready to make an impact.

Throw in a steadily improving coach with a playing group right behind him, and I for one am pretty excited about the rest of thise season, and really amped up over 2013.

You bring that up a lot but it isn't something i look at when trying to make up my mind on the coaching future of Ratts.

It means nothing to me.

Ratts took over a basket case. He got some early picks but as we see with other clubs who were in the same boat at the time the early picks doesn't get you into the 8 alone.
Those picks/players came in with Fev, Stevo, Houla and Whitnal as the guys to look to. How is that for leadership ! Not a lot of hope there. Ratts phased them out and replaced them with Judd alone. A move in the right direction but hardly enough leadership. He has had to mould Carrazzo, Simpson and Scotland into leaders and that takes time.

The fact that he got us into finals after 3 years is a miracle. Look at the team that played Brisbane in 2009 final and you will see what i am talking about.
The team that played the swans the next year was a slight improvement but hardly one that demanded finals wins.

I look at this year and last. That was when realistically we should be making a difference. After the final loss to the eagles with a side well below full strength id say the blues were right where they should have been. To go any further would have taken a miracle similar to the hawks in 2008.

This year has been debated to death and there are plenty of arguments both sides on whether Ratts is to continue but sprouting " we have won one final in five years " does nothing for the argument in my opinion. I see it as a simple statement that lacks any depth and i hope those at the club work a bit harder when deciding on the clubs future than just pointing to that statistic.

Also good to know that some people are capable of critical thinking and not just roonism.....much like your good self

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Well said Club.

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Lots of people influence me. The trick is to apply your own filter to it all, and think for yourself.

Robert Walls says the club should keep Ratts. Robert Walls has been out of the game for 15 years, and has made countless pronouncements in the media over the years, only to contradict them a month later. So I don't really take a lot of notice of Wallsy myself. Others may.

Parko has been out of the game for 12 years, but is still around the fringes. By his own admission, he lost touch in his latter years. He's a brilliant bloke though, and well worth listening to. But he's also a mentor of Ratten, and they're very close, and so I don't trust his endorsement of Ratts as much as a couple of people on here seem to. Maybe it's because I've seen first-hand how this kind of attachment clouds judgement... dozens of times.

Look, you can feel warm and fuzzy because Parko said Ratts is great. Parko also implored the club to appoint Britts. You can feel warm and fuzzy because Wallsy said Ratts is improving, if you like.

I don't hear too many more ex-coaches endorsing Ratten though. I don't hear Roos or Matthews. Maybe they think he's shit. They certainly would never say that out loud, because coaches never openly criticise coaches.

Dunno.

Ratten inherited a list that was ready to improve pretty much on its own (3 years of top draft picks plus the best mid in the game will do that) and in more than 5 years we have one elimination finals win; a team structure that falls completely apart when Andy Carrazzo gets injured; a coach who thinks that barracking from the boundary-line is the go... then no, it's back up in the box; a coach who is incapable of inspiring confidence; a coach who even his own mate and President was ummming and ahhhhing about sacking 8 weeks ago.

But Parko says he's great, so yeah. I guess he's great.

Hmmm. Lets have a look at Robert Walls

Out of the game (your words) for 15 years.

Well, he currently provides and has done so for many years specialist comments on television and radio. Much the same as Leigh Mathews and Paul Roos.

He writes columns on football for leading news papers currently the Age. Much like Lyon, Brereton. Sources undertsandings and has been involved in clubs at a football department level for about 15 odd years.

Is a member of the football hall of fame.

I won't go on because it is pointless to describe his assumed knowledge to a people who wouldn't carry his bags.

I'll take his endorsement for a coach everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Understanding of course that everybody gets somethings wrong some of the time

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