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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:45 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Essendon* wasn't before injuries. We got 2 in the first 5 minutes, and 2 more before the 1st quarter was out.


Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story and a reason to flog the coach.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:33 pm 
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I definitely don't think Gibbs was running especially hard tonight or that he ran himself into the ground. I was at the game and paid particular attention to him. Still cruises around and and plays with a lack of intensity/conviction. Sure he got plenty of it, but still needs to show more intensity in my opinion. I find him incredibly frustrating to watch.....maybe it's just me and I'm a harsh judge, but I want to see more from him.


Interesting comment. Hard to tell with Bryce. I remember earlier in the year I got good odds on Scott Pendlebury to get at least 30 possies against Geelong, so I whacked some cash on and happened to go along to the game. As a neutral with money riding on it, I decided to follow Pendlebury extremely closely. I would have said word for word about him, what you just said about Gibbs. Cruised around, seemed like he had very little intensity and incredibly laconic. Seemed like he was covering no ground at all. Yet he got his 30 possies (kerching!), 4 goals and best on ground. Players who seem so natural and effortless can be deceiving. I would say Gibbs falls into this basket.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:38 pm 
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Magnet wrote:
I definitely don't think Gibbs was running especially hard tonight or that he ran himself into the ground. I was at the game and paid particular attention to him. Still cruises around and and plays with a lack of intensity/conviction. Sure he got plenty of it, but still needs to show more intensity in my opinion. I find him incredibly frustrating to watch.....maybe it's just me and I'm a harsh judge, but I want to see more from him.


Interesting comment. Hard to tell with Bryce. I remember earlier in the year I got good odds on Scott Pendlebury to get at least 30 possies against Geelong, so I whacked some cash on and happened to go along to the game. As a neutral with money riding on it, I decided to follow Pendlebury extremely closely. I would have said word for word about him, what you just said about Gibbs. Cruised around, seemed like he had very little intensity and incredibly laconic. Seemed like he was covering no ground at all. Yet he got his 30 possies (kerching!), 4 goals and best on ground. Players who seem so natural and effortless can be deceiving. I would say Gibbs falls into this basket.


I like the analogy and I agree.
Gibbs is bloody good, but we're expecting more maybe coz we're losing, I guess.
I bet there's more to come, and he's going to be big.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:55 pm 
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I was at the game and he was very very good. His gut running was fantastic. Looked happy to be playing on a wing and not tagging. Best game in a while and nice to see him playing natural game.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:21 pm 
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Absolutely. Injuries probably cost us a few wins this year, but if you think that the only thing between Carlton and the top 3-4 is injuries then you'd be wrong. We were pretty good injury-wise last year and the top 4 teams were clearly better than us. We have a bad run this year and we're 12th. What makes anyone think this is a team that is good enough to have a genuine crack at the flag?


Don't really agree we had a good run with injury last year. This year has been worse, but last year was really bad for our talls from mid year onwards (which, not coincidentally, was when we started to struggle a bit last year). Losing Jamison and Waite midway through last year was really telling. Hampson was hitting fine form as a ruckman when he went down as well. Then we lost Kruze on the eve of the finals, and then also Gibbs for our last game. West Coast at that time were cruising along with hardly anyone injured.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:34 pm 
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JohnM wrote:

Absolutely. Injuries probably cost us a few wins this year, but if you think that the only thing between Carlton and the top 3-4 is injuries then you'd be wrong. We were pretty good injury-wise last year and the top 4 teams were clearly better than us. We have a bad run this year and we're 12th. What makes anyone think this is a team that is good enough to have a genuine crack at the flag?


Don't really agree we had a good run with injury last year. This year has been worse, but last year was really bad for our talls from mid year onwards (which, not coincidentally, was when we started to struggle a bit last year). Losing Jamison and Waite midway through last year was really telling. Hampson was hitting fine form as a ruckman when he went down as well. Then we lost Kruze on the eve of the finals, and then also Gibbs for our last game. West Coast at that time were cruising along with hardly anyone injured.

But the positions in the eight were decided over 22 rounds... and we finished 2 games and % behind them.....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:58 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
JohnM wrote:

Absolutely. Injuries probably cost us a few wins this year, but if you think that the only thing between Carlton and the top 3-4 is injuries then you'd be wrong. We were pretty good injury-wise last year and the top 4 teams were clearly better than us. We have a bad run this year and we're 12th. What makes anyone think this is a team that is good enough to have a genuine crack at the flag?


Don't really agree we had a good run with injury last year. This year has been worse, but last year was really bad for our talls from mid year onwards (which, not coincidentally, was when we started to struggle a bit last year). Losing Jamison and Waite midway through last year was really telling. Hampson was hitting fine form as a ruckman when he went down as well. Then we lost Kruze on the eve of the finals, and then also Gibbs for our last game. West Coast at that time were cruising along with hardly anyone injured.

So we have to have an injury free season to be half a chance....doesn't work that way....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:34 pm 
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Just finished watching the game. My observation was that it was a scrappy, untidy, low skill level effort lacking in system and structure. We won through individual efforts not team efforts. Forward entries were blaze away and we were lucky that Brisbane had the yips in front of goal. If we play this Saturday the way we played in the last quarter it will be how far the other mob. Big Levi was a highlight along with Walker, Tommy Bell, Armfield and McInnes. Too many of our players have poor skills under pressure and will be (and have been) exposed by the tough, disciplined sides. This is why we never look like defeating Hawthorn. The potential is there, just needs stronger direction and planning.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:46 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
The Spornstar wrote:
JohnM wrote:

Absolutely. Injuries probably cost us a few wins this year, but if you think that the only thing between Carlton and the top 3-4 is injuries then you'd be wrong. We were pretty good injury-wise last year and the top 4 teams were clearly better than us. We have a bad run this year and we're 12th. What makes anyone think this is a team that is good enough to have a genuine crack at the flag?


Don't really agree we had a good run with injury last year. This year has been worse, but last year was really bad for our talls from mid year onwards (which, not coincidentally, was when we started to struggle a bit last year). Losing Jamison and Waite midway through last year was really telling. Hampson was hitting fine form as a ruckman when he went down as well. Then we lost Kruze on the eve of the finals, and then also Gibbs for our last game. West Coast at that time were cruising along with hardly anyone injured.

But the positions in the eight were decided over 22 rounds... and we finished 2 games and % behind them.....


Purely talking about last year and forgetting this year, I thought we were as good as WCE last year. They had a great injury run, we had an ordinary injury run. We had a tough draw, they had the easiest draw you will ever see. We ran them to 3 points on their home ground with three of our guns out.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:58 pm 
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Purely talking about last year and forgetting this year, I thought we were as good as WCE last year. They had a great injury run, we had an ordinary injury run. We had a tough draw, they had the easiest draw you will ever see. We ran them to 3 points on their home ground with three of our guns out.


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The Spornstar wrote:
Purely talking about last year and forgetting this year, I thought we were as good as WCE last year. They had a great injury run, we had an ordinary injury run. We had a tough draw, they had the easiest draw you will ever see. We ran them to 3 points on their home ground with three of our guns out.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:19 am 
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The Spornstar wrote:
Magnet wrote:
I definitely don't think Gibbs was running especially hard tonight or that he ran himself into the ground. I was at the game and paid particular attention to him. Still cruises around and and plays with a lack of intensity/conviction. Sure he got plenty of it, but still needs to show more intensity in my opinion. I find him incredibly frustrating to watch.....maybe it's just me and I'm a harsh judge, but I want to see more from him.


Interesting comment. Hard to tell with Bryce. I remember earlier in the year I got good odds on Scott Pendlebury to get at least 30 possies against Geelong, so I whacked some cash on and happened to go along to the game. As a neutral with money riding on it, I decided to follow Pendlebury extremely closely. I would have said word for word about him, what you just said about Gibbs. Cruised around, seemed like he had very little intensity and incredibly laconic. Seemed like he was covering no ground at all. Yet he got his 30 possies (kerching!), 4 goals and best on ground. Players who seem so natural and effortless can be deceiving. I would say Gibbs falls into this basket.


David Rhys Jones always appeared to be cruising when he played.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:01 am 
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Magnet wrote:
I definitely don't think Gibbs was running especially hard tonight or that he ran himself into the ground. I was at the game and paid particular attention to him. Still cruises around and and plays with a lack of intensity/conviction. Sure he got plenty of it, but still needs to show more intensity in my opinion. I find him incredibly frustrating to watch.....maybe it's just me and I'm a harsh judge, but I want to see more from him.


Interesting comment. Hard to tell with Bryce. I remember earlier in the year I got good odds on Scott Pendlebury to get at least 30 possies against Geelong, so I whacked some cash on and happened to go along to the game. As a neutral with money riding on it, I decided to follow Pendlebury extremely closely. I would have said word for word about him, what you just said about Gibbs. Cruised around, seemed like he had very little intensity and incredibly laconic. Seemed like he was covering no ground at all. Yet he got his 30 possies (kerching!), 4 goals and best on ground. Players who seem so natural and effortless can be deceiving. I would say Gibbs falls into this basket.


David Rhys Jones always appeared to be cruising when he played.


Unless there was a "blue" in the offing.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:29 am 
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@ KKK, that true it was the only time he seemed to break out of a walk.

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