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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:19 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
If you watch the Hangout it was pretty clear that Rogers believes hungrier footballers try harder. He also said Lucas needs to work harder at a few things such as "'providing more of a contest" .


And rightly so.
Attitude towards the contest has gone backwards at a rate of knots since year 1.

Looked ready to explode in the off-season and then sulked when dropped and just lazes around on the periphery of the contest.
Still think he'll put the pieces together because he's a much better footballer than he's shown us to date.
Just hope we don't lose him in order for him to show us that to be the case.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:25 pm 
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I think you are wrong, Psych. You have to make judgements, even if it means delisting a player or two that comes good elsewhere. It's already too late, otherwise. I think what we miss out on, in terms of who doesn't go through the Carlton system, outweighs any possible loss to other clubs.

I maintain that three or less players coming through the Junior ranks a year is too few to work with. Why do you think we have so many borderline players on our list? I don't think it's because they are not developed to their potential (although it's an issue) I think it's because they have managed to perform to a reasonable level without ever looking like they'll take any game by the scruff of the neck. I don't think they can.

We are too scared to make judgements.


Can't really agree. Hard to make a proper judgement on kids without giving them a proper run. Lucas like Collins and a few others need a consistent run. Then they can be judged better. Confidence and consistency is a huge factor in player development.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:26 pm 
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That was a great interview. Rogers is pretty impressive and not afraid to make the odd incisive comment.

Between this and the hangouts, great to see the club make some good progress on being more honest and upfront with the supporters.

I remember 10 years ago I'd hang out for the Carlton show on 927 on a Tuesday night, and Coutts would bluff his way through an hour. :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:12 pm 
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aramari wrote:
That was a great interview. Rogers is pretty impressive and not afraid to make the odd incisive comment.

Between this and the hangouts, great to see the club make some good progress on being more honest and upfront with the supporters.

I remember 10 years ago I'd hang out for the Carlton show on 927 on a Tuesday night, and Coutts would bluff his way through an hour. :roll:


Yep. Remember that was around the same time poor old Garrie Hutchinson was forced to write fluff pieces before and after each thumping loss for the official website.

Sad as it was aramari the only way I could pick up that 927 show in Adelaide was through Austar's radio channels on the TV. Mrs would get up during the night and find me sitting watching a blank screen whilst listening to Coutts and his young offsiders propaganda! :oops:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:31 pm 
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Rogers was terrific and gives you faith in the future.

You could tell we will embrace the draft 5 picks?
The star recruit


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:34 pm 
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Rogers was terrific and gives you faith in the future.

You could tell we will embrace the draft 5 picks?
The star recruit is unlikely
The speed thing was clever. Didn't reveal our hand. Tall and fast? Strong and fast just fast and can kick


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:44 pm 
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redback wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
It was interesting listening to Rogers the 3 things that stuck out for me was
1. Speed- still going down this track when most others have gone size and contested style
2. The recruitment of guys like Rowe Duigan to allow younger ones to develop suggesting these guys are not long term prospects
3. Ge sounds disappointed with Lucas


He's not the only one disappointed in Lucas. Watching him in the WAFL i would have bet my house he'd be a very good player for us.

But Rogers hasn't given up on him yet he reckons there's still a footballer under there somewhere. He also explained that late picks and rookie draftee's often come through faster because they don't rely on their draft position for their success, they work harder. I took this as a bit of a smack at Lucas.


Love the look of Lucas the first time I saw him but he does need a good wake up call for his benefit and ours.

I blame the influence of Hoops and that GF!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:00 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Rogers was terrific and gives you faith in the future.

You could tell we will embrace the draft 5 picks?
The star recruit is unlikely
The speed thing was clever. Didn't reveal our hand. Tall and fast? Strong and fast just fast and can kick




Someone like Jordan Murdoch for instance. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:02 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Rogers was terrific and gives you faith in the future.

You could tell we will embrace the draft 5 picks?
The star recruit is unlikely
The speed thing was clever. Didn't reveal our hand. Tall and fast? Strong and fast just fast and can kick




Someone like Jordan Murdoch for instance. :wink:


Yeah, I reckon that one is gunna hurt for a long time.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:12 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Interesting comments re: how many positions for ruckman. SR thinks 4 with 2 that are ready, 1 close and a development player. Where does that put us? I see three ready and nothing else.

Good pick up and agree. If you go back to the Mckay blueprint, he stated that one of the main reasons for signing up warnock was to prevent poaching (as opposed to he is a required player).

I think we will trade a ruckman - my preference would be warnock as I see great upside to hampson (improved every season). It's sacrilege to say so, but imo all 3 ruckmen should be on the market - if only to see what nibbles we might get back

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The bonus of all these injuries is that kids have got a go. Finally!

The kids have been given a go previously so its a bit misleading to suggest that they have only been given a go due to injuries.
- Davies and white have played previously and would have played earlier had they not been injured
- Casboult has been close before and would have played except for injuries (last yr, also early this year)
- Bootsma was given a good run relatively early in the season (given his body shape)
- O'keefe was been injured and the club had put in a specific program for him to get continuity in the VFL with a plan to play before the end of this year (cant recall source, think it might have been a postmatch interview recently)
-Bell & McInness came in on the back of sustained good form/development

Dale is probably the only player that was 'given a go' due to injuries


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:17 am 
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aramari wrote:
That was a great interview. Rogers is pretty impressive and not afraid to make the odd incisive comment.

Also interesting to see maclure show how poorly informed he is - talks in generalities. Said Bell needed to get a lot fitter only for Rogers to say that Bell is the only one that he has seen do a 16 beep :)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:56 am 
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4thchicken wrote:
aramari wrote:
That was a great interview. Rogers is pretty impressive and not afraid to make the odd incisive comment.

Also interesting to see maclure show how poorly informed he is - talks in generalities. Said Bell needed to get a lot fitter only for Rogers to say that Bell is the only one that he has seen do a 16 beep :)


Love Sellars but he's not exactly a research beast.

Did he say fitness or weight? Bells unusual body shape might have caught him out. Synbad reckons he's a Bargearse as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:28 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Rogers was terrific and gives you faith in the future.

You could tell we will embrace the draft 5 picks?
The star recruit is unlikely
The speed thing was clever. Didn't reveal our hand. Tall and fast? Strong and fast just fast and can kick[/



Someone like Jordan Murdoch for instance. :wink:



Let it go Agro, let it go ... :razz:

Tho I share your frustration

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:35 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
aramari wrote:
That was a great interview. Rogers is pretty impressive and not afraid to make the odd incisive comment.

Also interesting to see maclure show how poorly informed he is - talks in generalities. Said Bell needed to get a lot fitter only for Rogers to say that Bell is the only one that he has seen do a 16 beep :)


Love Sellars but he's not exactly a research beast.

Did he say fitness or weight? Bells unusual body shape might have caught him out. Synbad reckons he's a Bargearse as well.


Yeah he got caught out there.

Couldn't really see the point of chipping Bell for celebrating his goal either.
Wasn't much in it & the kid was rapt with his kick.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:42 am 
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Hope Sellars is not anti-Bell. The kid has done nothing wrong to date.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:12 am 
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One thing our list management has shown is that like in real life when some one decides they want to leave your organisation you are better off to let them go.

I have lost count of the number of times I have had people come and say they want to leave and you negotiate a better pay deal or different role for them - they show signs of instant improvement only just to prove a liability months down the track.

dont think footballers are much different and if they suggest they want out there is an underlying reason for that and it is probably best you negotiate a deal to let them go
Thornton Bower Russell Walker Setanta all wanted out - all had instant improvement when encouraged to stay and all have slipped back ( but the jury is still out on walker he may turn out to be an exception)

So I would say if Lucas wants out let him go because chances are he will be of no benefit to the team a year or so from now and if he does perform better elsewhere so beit because you could never be sure he would do the same at Carlton

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:13 am 
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Harsh on Walker as injuries to him and the rest of the team have really effected his season.
I take your point though.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:50 am 
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Good insight into the man heading up recruiting.
Thought he was as candid as such situations allow. Frustrated some players aren't getting more time but what recruiter wouldn't be :wink:
Nice point by Maher on Collins getting dropped.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:21 pm 
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kennyhunter wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Also interesting to see maclure show how poorly informed he is - talks in generalities. Said Bell needed to get a lot fitter only for Rogers to say that Bell is the only one that he has seen do a 16 beep :)


Love Sellars but he's not exactly a research beast.

Did he say fitness or weight? Bells unusual body shape might have caught him out. Synbad reckons he's a Bargearse as well.


Yeah he got caught out there.

Couldn't really see the point of chipping Bell for celebrating his goal either.
Wasn't much in it & the kid was rapt with his kick.


I like Sellers, but he was a little exposed, so went on a little Robbo-style rant to re-assert his Alpha-ness


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I still get surprised how big some ex-footballers are. Not just the height but the size of their bonce.

I remember seeing Kelvin Moore (the Hawks one) up close one day and could not get over the size of his head same goes for Ross Glendinning. They've got head's like Bison.

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