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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:59 am 
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Well done Ratts.

If we can make finals from here and win a final or two, Ratts is up for coach of the year :)


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:01 pm 
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I have a feeling there might be a few of us barracking for Ratt's in the end more than the team as well........well you know what I mean.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Reckon what's silly is recycling Bower Russell and co when we already know what they offer....injuries have been a blessing in that we may know more about our list depth sooner rather than later....


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Did you know that the dogs game was the first time Russell & Bower had been recalled to the team since they lost their spots in the team? (rds 8 & 10)

In the mean time, rather that recycling those blokes, we had put games into bootsma, mcinness & watson...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:26 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Reckon what's silly is recycling Bower Russell and co when we already know what they offer....injuries have been a blessing in that we may know more about our list depth sooner rather than later....


FMD

Did you know that the dogs game was the first time Russell & Bower had been recalled to the team since they lost their spots in the team? (rds 8 & 10)

In the mean time, rather that recycling those blokes, we had put games into bootsma, mcinness & watson...

My point exactly....injuries have been a blessing....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:16 pm 
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Noticed article in the Age today by Jesse putting us third worse on the injury list for 2012 -similarly to AFL site analysis a week or so ago - has us behind west coast and carringbush just in terms of injuries to the key players
analysis probably doesnt go to 4TH Chooks thesis on players other than the best 22 being injured but still shows that both westcoast and collingwood on the face of this analysis have coped better with injuries as it is likely they will make the 8 at the end of the season and we wont(hoping we do of course)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:25 pm 
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In regards to the Ducks though, they have 4 serious injuries, and hardly any others. The vast majority of games missed comes down to the 4 players who have missed every or nearly every game.
This is actually a better position to be in than ours, in terms of team continuity, structures and planning.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:56 pm 
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The formula they've used skews things a fair bit. I wonder how we'd look if they included injuries outside of club's top 20?

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0 (4 - Eq 2nd): Betts, Garlett, Gibbs, Judd.

1-3 (9 - Eq 2nd): Armfield (1), Jamison (2), Kreuzer (2), Robinson (2), Scotland (1), Simpson (3), Tuohy (2), Warnock (2), Yarran (3).

4-6 (4 - Eq 1st): Duigan (4), Henderson (6), Murphy (6), Walker (6).

7-9 (1 - Eq 5th): Carrazzo (7).

10+ (2 - Eq 2nd): Laidler (13), Waite (10).

SUMMARY: Waite's continued injury woes have undermined the Blues' strength across half-forward. Murphy's mid-season absence was significant, while Henderson's premature end to the season leaves the back line thin.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:01 pm 
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So what they're saying is that Essendon* has only been the AFL's 12th-bravest team this year.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Interesting that the Crows and Roos have done the best this year, given the problems they had last year. Further proof of the benefits of early surgery?

(also the Bombers have had it tougher because their injuries have all been soft-tissue...for some reason this makes all the difference :sly: )

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:31 pm 
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I still reckon we have had it toughest when you include the players that would have been called into replace injured players were injured too.

Collingwood were always going to cope better as they are top 2 team and have been for a few years.

WC have done well but have a massive home ground advantage.

I that aside though. We have had a shocking run of luck injury wise.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:05 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Noticed article in the Age today by Jesse putting us third worse on the injury list for 2012 -similarly to AFL site analysis a week or so ago - has us behind west coast and carringbush just in terms of injuries to the key players
analysis probably doesnt go to 4TH Chooks thesis on players other than the best 22 being injured but still shows that both westcoast and collingwood on the face of this analysis have coped better with injuries as it is likely they will make the 8 at the end of the season and we wont(hoping we do of course)


Noticed the article too - and again its poorly 'researched'

apparently...
- hampson isnt in the best 20 despite having played 13 games this year and only being out of the team due to injury (4 games thus far)
- warnock IS in the best 22 and has only missed 2 games due to injury despite missing the first 8 rounds whilst coming back from a shoulder and having played 5 games before being dropped due to poor form.
- judd having missed 0 games, despite not playing in rd 6 due to general soreness (the 'next' level of the grouping)
- yarran having missed 4 games due to injury instead of 3 (the 'next' level of the grouping)
- waite has actually missed 11 games rather than 10

The 'best' players list also changes a fair bit over the course of the season which is why it is so important to look at the full extent of injuries. From the best 22 vs the tigers Bell (back), casboult (knee) and davies (shoulder) have all missed huge chunks of the season due to long term injuries. There's also a strong possibility that white (knee) will be in the team this week (or very soon).

Are these guys best 20-22? - that would be subjective but I'd hazard a guess that many of you would currently have Bell firmly entrenched into your best 22...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:24 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
- judd having missed 0 games, despite not playing in rd 6 due to general soreness (the 'next' level of the grouping)

Surely you're not seriously trying to claim this one? :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:33 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
- judd having missed 0 games, despite not playing in rd 6 due to general soreness (the 'next' level of the grouping)

Surely you're not seriously trying to claim this one? :lol:


Heh - didnt realise we played GWS that week :)

Was he REALLY sore? His performance certainly suggests that he needed the break (see pre/post breaks) - not to mention Ratten's pressers have indicated that he needed breaks

Rd 1 (tigs) - 26
Rd 2 (bris) - 33
Rd 3 (pies) - 35
Rd 4 (dons) - 24

Rd 5 (freo) - 18
rd 6 (GWS) -
rd 7 (saints) - 29 (post break)

rd 12 (WC) - 12
rd 13 (bye)
rd 14 (hawks) - 29 (post break)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:35 pm 
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Scott Thompson had 18 against Freo (Crowley)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:44 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Scott Thompson had 18 against Freo (Crowley)

like I said, happy to say that I missed that it was the GWS game. Doesnt change my view of the article one bit though :)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:01 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
- judd having missed 0 games, despite not playing in rd 6 due to general soreness (the 'next' level of the grouping)

Surely you're not seriously trying to claim this one? :lol:


Heh - didnt realise we played GWS that week :)

Was he REALLY sore? His performance certainly suggests that he needed the break (see pre/post breaks) - not to mention Ratten's pressers have indicated that he needed breaks

Rd 1 (tigs) - 26
Rd 2 (bris) - 33
Rd 3 (pies) - 35
Rd 4 (dons) - 24

Rd 5 (freo) - 18
rd 6 (GWS) -
rd 7 (saints) - 29 (post break)

rd 12 (WC) - 12
rd 13 (bye)
rd 14 (hawks) - 29 (post break)



Cool! Judds due for 50+ v the Bombers based on those increments. Had 36 v Norf from memory...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:32 pm 
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I still reckon we have had it toughest when you include the players that would have been called into replace injured players were injured too.

Collingwood were always going to cope better as they are top 2 team and have been for a few years.

WC have done well but have a massive home ground advantage.

I that aside though. We have had a shocking run of luck injury wise.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:36 pm 
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So what they're saying is that Essendon* has only been the AFL's 12th-bravest team this year.

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Someone staple that list to Monga's forehead...

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