Right now, T-bird is our best contested mark. Waite hasn't been able to so far this season.

tbh, there's room for both Tbird and waite in the side. Waite would be best suited to a Dustin Fletcher -- minus the penetrating kick -- role in defense. Might save his body for a season or two too.

Yeah, I was never thinking Waitey, instead of T Bird.
Would like to see both in.
more so, I'd like to see us win..so, hopefully we'll get the right choices out there.

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I'm a T-Bird fan, on balance he's had a raw deal with the MC, but this pretty much sums it up. If not for Waite being available, pretty sure he'd be playing, though.

Like the inclusion of White, too, gives the backline a bit of an X factor and it appears from recent NB reports that he's also done well when played as a midfielder. . Maybe he's taken his game to another level?

Hope white gets a crack. Always thought he looked the goods

I found it quite interesting that Simon has been used through the midfield in his last few outings for NB. I thought that was quite fascinating as I didn't see him as an option through there although he does move well on the field

Reports have been quite positive on his output too so it would be interesting to see how that translates in the seniors

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He played in the backline for Northern all last week.

Would be a great bonus if he turned into a good hard midfielder.

I agree that Waite is the better and more consistent player when fit, but I don't think he'd offer a whole lot more than TBird coming off a 12 week lay off with a pretty severe back injury. Time will tell, when and if he's selected over Thornton.

Thornton may have only had the 7 disposals but as BKB pointed out, he certainly wasn't poor. He played a vital role in getting us over the line last week, Definitely not poor enough to deserve being dropped regardless of who is fit and ready to come in. It's basically 'play a good game and you'll probably still get dropped for a bigger name' is the message you send to the younger ones.

Disagree on White. Again as BKB pointed out, Thornton is quite good in defense, certainly at the very least on par with White. It's up forward where I believe TBird offers us a bit more with his contested marking and reliable kick for goal. I have no problem with White coming in, so long as it's not TBird making way for him.

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White would provide alot more than Davies does. Surely after his game last week he'll be dropped. We would of won by 6 goals if he didn't play

Didn't work in the KP. You know it, I know it.Hampson is a ruckman not a KP forward. As we saw ruckman rarely translate to that role. Your 3 ruckman idea didn't wotk.....as expected. Told you. Saw why it was a hobby horse. Play forwards in KP roles, it works better structure-wise. Mpw we work with one ruckman as a pinch-hitter as it's working better.

I don't disagree that much Jim. I just think Big Levi has struggled with the pace of the last two weeks, he's been serviceable, but not great.

I think the Swans game will be 10% faster and harder and I'm concerned he may not keep up.

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Have been thinking that too. (re Levi) I love what the big fella is bringing, but he did look pretty sore at times, in the last game.
Always liked Simon White when I've seen him play, and the reports from NB are v. positive.
Davies and or, Dale out, maybe just for this week?

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Last year at this time Setanta O'hAilpin was our best contested mark - and it didnt do him any good in the end either.

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MC got it right last week. Let';s hope they can do it again.

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Ridiculous to suggest that 3 rucks can't work at Carlton when our experiment included:

1. Warnock who didn't have a preseason and is still struggling to make the team as the 2nd ruck. Unfit and lacks strength.
2. Kreuzer....everybody knows he's not right, and hasn't been since his knee reco...and hip issues.
3. Hampson who is learning the caper (and showing good signs imo)...as are the players who are delivering to an unknown, within a game plan which is questionable.

Of course it's bound to fail at Carlton with the abovementioned going on. In that state we shouldn't use the 3 ruckmen whilst they are not pulling their weight...and that applies to all players.

I'm happy either way, just as long as it works. I would like to judge the 3 rucks when they are all fit and firing...then judge them.

At the moment Collingwoods KPF's Cloke and Dawes aren't playing like we expect KPF's to work, so do we say KPF's don't work? No we don't. We suggest they are out of form, or the players upfield have lost their mojo.

If we have the KP's fwds who are better than the 3 rucks then we should go for it. If we are better with a smaller mobile forwardline, by all means go with that, but if the rucks are fit and firing and dangerous, they will either mark the ball, or get to it to feed the crumbers, and if they are a better option than anything else we can muster, then we have to give it a go.

I'm sure we went with 3 ruckmen because we had Waite, walker, Casboult, Mitchell, Rowe, White, Henderson...all big KP's out injured. We also had Murphy and Carrazzo out and all the smalls other than Betts seemd out of form. I reckon it didn't matter who we played whilst we were lacking confidence and endeavour, we still would have lost...not because of the 3 rucks, but because of injury, form and confidence.

Agree, right now we shouldn't go with 3 ruckmen because one is out for the rest of the season and the other 2 are suspect in terms of fitness. Just sayin.

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2011 season contested marks per game.

Jarrad Waite - 2.3
Setanta O'hAilpin - 1.9
Michael Jamison - 1.4
Shaun Hampson - 1.2
Bret Thornton - 1.1
Mark Austin - 1.0
Matthew Kreuzer - 1.0
Nick Duigan - 1.0
Lachlan Henderson - 0.8
Andrew Walker - 0.7

Waite's last game last year was on July 10.

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B: A.Joseph M.Jamison S.White
HB: Z.Tuohy A.McInnes C.Yarran
C: K.Simpson A.Carrazzo H.Scotland
HF: E.Curnow J.Waite D.Armfield
F: E.Betts L.Casboult J.Garlett
Foll: M.Kreuzer M.Murphy B.Gibbs
INT: (from) T.Bell, A.Collins, M.Davies, D.Ellard, K.Lucas, B.McLean, B.Thornton

IN: Waite, Simpson, White, Lucas, Ellard
OUT: Dale, Duigan

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Cheers Effes.
No complaints at this stage.

excellent team. a shame Robbo couldn't make it yet.

hmmm...Bloody hope this means that Brock is in...!!

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I'd play Bell, Davies, McLean and probably Collins