Hurley was gone before Yarran
We were going to take Knobel before Betts.

We could have easily done that you know if the AFL didnt step in to save us!!

Hard to imagine us without our CHF......

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Excellent post - I think it sums up where we're at. Good drafting this year and a canny trade or 2 and I reckon we could challenge pretty quickly. KPF is a must obviously.

Oh and yes, I think a new coach is needed. Probably much more than that, I'd be really happy to see an independent review.

More Key positions???

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2006 was a poor draft. From 2007 on it is not as bad as it looks. We could pull Watson and another kpp out of 2010 plus duigan.

Kruezer crueled by injury and may recover (unlucky)
Lucas has never had a shot (lack of development)
We had no Picks last year who's fault is that not recruiters & out of 2 picks more than likley 2 100 gamers (Boots & Bucks) and buckley at 62!!!! (anti youth policy)
Rhys O'keefe is an outside chance to make it which would make 2008 3 out of 4. Injury has cost O'keefe (unlucky)

Darling over Watson & Cotchin over Kreuzer are line ball decisions and you have to view the decision within context. We just recruit judd so are you going to pick cotchin over Kreuzer? (although I remember someone on here implored us to take Cotchin?). Also we just solve the behavioural issue with Fev- it would have taken a very brave person to go darling over Watson.

Our trading is worse than our recruiting.
Development is more at fault than recruiting

Our line ball recruits like Russell, Bower, Hampson would probably shine in the Collingwood Player Development system whereas players like Keefe, Fasolo and Blair would wither on the vine in our Development System.

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Winston Churchill

Blair would probably just morph into AJ with us..

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While AJ would morph into Swan at Collingwood

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"I had to eat"

2011:

Good Steady Progress, finish just out of the top 4, win 1st final in over a decade, over THE SCUM!!!!!! Then went down to WCE in PERTH by only 3 measly U SUCK UMPIRE points!!!!

Major Player movement over Off-Season: SETANTA GOOOONE!!!!!!!!!

2012:

Starts well, knock off a very late starting Pies by 10 goals, every CFC fan thinks life couldnt get any better, and some 'very clever man' (say with tongue in cheek) makes Carlton favourite for flag at 5 to 1 so a couple of thousand really 'smart' football gamblers go and chuck a couple grand each on the Blue for the Flag at 5's, and mr 'stuck it right up ya' leaves with a couple hundred grand profit clear, and then waits a month and does the same thing to a bunch of really 'switched-on' Essendon* supporters!!

Moral Of Story:

No Setanta - No Carlton!!

he seriously wouldve been the perfect fit in todays predicament, pretty much how ever other year panned out for him too, filling in for a sporadic jarrad SPAZ waite in between JW's groins and discs and lower backs and back related hammies and upper middle back problems that no one actually ever 'sees' happen, but golly the do.

And the only reason Id be scking rtten is because he hasnt played Kane Lucas Bower and Thorndog and Curnow and Jordan FkYu Russel. If anything id play Russel in every game to go, give him every club vote and the Club B& F, basically plump him up so the footy world thinks hes possibly not a complete scarecrow THEN TRADE THE HIM ALONG WITH BOWER OR THORNTON!!!!!

Now no team will be even remotely interested knowing they cant even get into this carlton side!!
Whereas if we'd played them in KPP's made out in the media that we rated them really high blah blah blah, we couldve made them worth something on the trade table (saving possibly Kruze and/or Gibbs the potential humiliation of being thrown on a trade table) but now theyre worth even less than nothing.

2011:

Good Steady Progress, finish just out of the top 4, win 1st final in over a decade, over THE SCUM!!!!!! Then went down to WCE in PERTH by only 3 measly U SUCK UMPIRE points!!!!

Major Player movement over Off-Season: SETANTA GOOOONE!!!!!!!!!

2012:

Starts well, knock off a very late starting Pies by 10 goals, every CFC fan thinks life couldnt get any better, and some 'very clever man' (say with tongue in cheek) makes Carlton favourite for flag at 5 to 1 so a couple of thousand really 'smart' football gamblers go and chuck a couple grand each on the Blue for the Flag at 5's, and mr 'stuck it right up ya' leaves with a couple hundred grand profit clear, and then waits a month and does the same thing to a bunch of really 'switched-on' Essendon* supporters!!

Moral Of Story:

No Setanta - No Carlton!!

he seriously wouldve been the perfect fit in todays predicament, pretty much how ever other year panned out for him too, filling in for a sporadic jarrad SPAZ waite in between JW's groins and discs and lower backs and back related hammies and upper middle back problems that no one actually ever 'sees' happen, but golly the do.

And the only reason Id be scking rtten is because he hasnt played Kane Lucas Bower and Thorndog and Curnow and Jordan FkYu Russel. If anything id play Russel in every game to go, give him every club vote and the Club B& F, basically plump him up so the footy world thinks hes possibly not a complete scarecrow THEN TRADE THE HIM ALONG WITH BOWER OR THORNTON!!!!!

Now no team will be even remotely interested knowing they cant even get into this carlton side!!
Whereas if we'd played them in KPP's made out in the media that we rated them really high blah blah blah, we couldve made them worth something on the trade table (saving possibly Kruze and/or Gibbs the potential humiliation of being thrown on a trade table) but now theyre worth even less than nothing.

Carlos, in hindsight Ratts might regret that decision.

Setanta was more effective than alot of people gave him credit for.

One guy that gave him no credit was the coach...

Even though he had to rely on him on many ocassions.

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Setanta was too exuberant for our club. He wasn't allowed to show passion and emotion .... it might have rubbed off on the others.

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Yeah! Ablett and Scarlett spring quickly to mind.

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6202383816

Lots of draft info long shots, number 1's etc

Makes interesting reading

Our trading is part of our recruiting. Perhaps you mean drafting. Call it list management if you like but it must improve markedly.

There are people on here that say that we were all right at the end of last year, almost beating West Coast, and then in virtually the same breath say that we can't develop players. I mean, come on, so all of this has occurred in less than a year? Ratten became a crap coach overnight too?

I think it's a combination of things that have been building up to the point where we have finally caved in. In my own clumsy way, I warned our recruiting methods would create problems with the depth of our list. You just can't make the difference up with rookies year after year. We overrate our success with them, as well.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

This.
And a cross for Grigg? Is this the same Grigg who is "starring" for Richmond currently?

We have issues, but Mark Stevens is a terrible journalist. I cannot comprehend how he still has a job.

Playfoul,

I wouldn't have thought the recruiters have much say in the trade strategy. I would have thought they mainly pick the kids. I presume the decision to trade is a football department (Ratten, Icke) decision. My point is you can't blame the recruting staff for the trade fluffs and you can't blame them too much in drafts where they were allowed 3 picks