My guess is that should Bruce follow up as Synners says [and I hope he does] we can be pretty sure that the new President and the board he chooses will have the Mathieson seal of approval. That will be good enough for me!

Caz,

Individual board members are not accountable. I just don't see those three I mentioned as having contributed anything. That is the justification. Compare that to Geminder who brings money and sports marketing experience through basketball. If somebody can demonstrate they have contributed something, I stand to be corrected. 6 people have to go and in my opinion we need some opinionated football people on the board eg Mclure, Walls. Someone who can pre empt problems in the football department by judging performance gamestyle on match day & translate it to the non football saavy board members.
I wouldn't knock having Andy Maher on the board. He might not be eddie or gary pert but he would be able to suss out broadcast rights implication etc.

Mr Scarponi,

Different Stephen Moulton, Jack. Smart bloke our Stephen Moulton, but he's no author. Perhaps this Stephen Moulton can be of use though? I'm in Boulder, Colorado at the end of the month. I'll look him up.

I demand a board consisting of nothing more than washed up cereal mascots. King Willie Weetie will turn this shit around.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Are those three fairy's Snap, Crackle and Pop still around or are they at the lifestyle village.?

If so there's that's 4 already.!!!

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Oh bloody hell. Boys clubs already...

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I like you two

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Pair of fruit loops?

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boom tish

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I would elect you, based on that post.
Just on what Doc wrote re what everyone does, I'd axe the membership/marketing group first.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

The point that you dont know anything about the board members then you have liitle credibility in saying which ones should stand down is crap.

What is a no brainer is this. If you generally look at the club in the last decade and a half they have got more things wrong than right.

Last year everything went right for us
It was wallpaper over the cracks

This year things havent gone right for us but we have gone backwards way too much


The board is the group of people that basically controls the operations of the club.

Keeps everything running smoothly

Isnt it amazing( actually it isnt really) when the head of the board tells the media that "we will stick fat for Ratts" on the Friday and Tuesday he cant give a guarentee he wont see out the weekend.

Why
Captain Obvious
Mathieson
He has currency because he is sending his hard earned only to see it flushed down the dunny.
So who is in control

All of a sudden our gteat leader
is shitting himself

Lets face it
Bruce is right
A review from top to bottom
The power this board has is an illusion.

Yes, democracy can be a wonderful thing and its main appeal is that it allows the plebiscite to throw the bastards out when they have had enough. If that remedy is denied then you ain't got democracy.

That's what Cromwell recognised when he rallied the troops and marched on Parliament way back when. The CFC constitution is a bit like that in that it protects the incumbent Board in the main. And that's why the notion of a spill is becoming more attractive. (A few wins before the end of the season, which Sod's Law will provide, won't change our dire situtation.)

Roll on Bruce.

Capt obvious here. What has the Board got to do with the playing group from last year to this year? In terms of the football department basically the only thing they have done is replace Icke with McKay. I guessing the Board would have rubber stamped the appointment of Hyde based on the recommendations of others. Okay so that appointment failed and you might want to hang the Board but otherwise my simple question is what affect has the Board had on the win/loss ratio between the end of 2011 and 14 rds into 2012?

I suspect if you polled all 45,000+ members at the end of 2011 after the WA defeat a fair majority would have expected the Club to atleast finish top 6 and maybe higher. That was just based on what had gone on in 2011. After 3 rounds in 2012 I doubt many would have changed their minds.

So now between rounds 4 and 14 with the football department struggling, it is the Boards fault? How does that work?

By all means if you feel inclined to criticise the Board for anything off field then go your hardest but it is a long bow to draw to blame the Board for injuries, lack of form and generally uninspiring efforts.

Regards Cazzesman

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The board are accountable for our financial viability, look at the annual reports to see that they have promised a heap but delivered little.

Our whole future is built on pokies, Sticks and Swanny have both openly said our debt will vanish with pokies. Kind of backs up Mathieson's point.

For me, it's a very short bow from boardroom to onfield.

Shits me when boards make decisions that ultimately affect onfield performance, and when onfield performance suffers, the senior coach cops it and the board get off scot free.

The board appointed Ratts... the most junior of senior coaches. The board decided to surround him with a seriously inexperienced coaching panel. This would've set back both Ratten's and the list's development. The board reappointed Ratten recently, and are now (according to the Prez) thinking that maybe they screwed that up and are about to sack him.

The board is ultimately responsible for everything that happens at the club, onfield and off the field.

I would accept it if I believed our underperformance is purely the result of injuries. But you'd have to be blind not to see that we're weak in player development, because we just don't have the next tier of players coming up ready to go. The board have to wear that. And it's why injuries have affected us so badly... the replacements just aren't there.

Ultimately, the board are responsible for onfield success. Do you think that when Kernahan sacks Ratten he'll take responsibility for making the wrong call on Ratten on behalf of the board? Pig's arse he will. He'll talk of club legend, and great bloke, and injuries, and this is what happens in football, and heavy heart, and everything but the simple truth that sacking a bloke 18 months after re-appointing him clearly means you screwed up by re-appointing him.

And then he'll expect us to trust them to appoint the right guy, despite having screwed up in that area already.

Kernahan can sack Ratten, but who can sack Kernahan?

Kernahan told us his plan... multiple Premierships over the next few years. But he's given us a football department that doesn't work and a list that lacks Premiership qualities. Yet it's not his fault?

Ratten said we'd make top 4, and he'll get the arse because we won't.

Kernahan said we'd win flags, and we're expected to be happy to keep him there when we probably can't even make the 8?

Any organisation runs smoothly if it starts from the top.
If the wrong people are in there it filters dowm stream somehow.
Eventually it effects the playing group in different ways.

Its called looking at the bigger picture

If you get a lot of little things wrong it has a cumulative effect in the end
Thats what happens
But be my guest
Put your head in the stand and let the ship sink further

Face facts
We have been a basket case for over a decade

Look at kernahan this past week
He has been an embarassment
He is on the board
He is involved in footy matters
He is meant to be our leader
Time for massive changes

Caz,

The point is not what the board has done. It is what it hasn't done because it is a cumbersome do nothing collective.

Financially, it is all Visy and Matheson and you can not rely on them forever. There has never been any pressure on the football department until now...which is too late. George Harris or Jack Elliot would have been scouring the corridors

There is no dynamism or pushing of the boundaries. What is the big idea to drive the club forward? eg. playing games in New Zealand, interstate club games at Visy Park, A move away from Etihad. Remember we once tried a soccer club. We failed but we were willing to throw a punch. We are never first at anything anymore...... I lost faith when we went to an accounting company for a vision paper. Which is tantamount to saying we have no ideas but will outsource to an organisation that pretends to have a few.

What about our internet strategy?
Maybe there is a dollar in an upmarket social club?
How long is it before you don't watch games in TV but move to pay per view on the internet?
How are we integrating ourselves with African community in Carlton or the Fitzroy Reds (natural carlton supporters)
I want vision. I want to embrace the new. I want tomorrow today.

:thumbsup

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Because the Board has protected itself by the biggest and thickest pieces of wallpaper hung up to paper over bigger cracks than bodgie builder's renovation.

And a few key injuries to a few key players have ripped this wallpaper down and the cracks have not only been shown up but the walls have come tumbling down.

- Player Development
- Recruiting
- Coaching

All ultimately responsibility of the Board/ and Kernahan and their appointments.

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