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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:33 pm 
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When you can no longer do the maths Ratten will stay . The monent it becomes mathematically impossible Ratts will be moved on

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:45 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Waite the tall forward is funny Kev!

he is as much a tall forward as if is trade worthy.

anything about ratten getting replaced?
more fluff writing by walls.

was the best center half forward we ever had in my lifetime though.

The last sentence is a big call Synbad. No doubt Wallsy was a gun, but IMO Kernahan has him covered.
Sellers wasn't too shabby either.

But as they say ''Opinions are like..........'' :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:52 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Were focussing on Ratts not the team.

Ratts is finished.. but we need to salvage something from the team and the players

Walls is getting paid to do the Blue Print.. he has Masters...and he will appease them...Sticks was his premiership captain.

Too much unaccountability at Carlton

The club is a footy that gets kicked around by egos


Agree 100%, well put


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:55 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Waite the tall forward is funny Kev!

he is as much a tall forward as if is trade worthy.



Hey!
Ratts said he was our "power forward' during the week!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:55 am 
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SOunds too much like Gellong supporters of 2006

post from a Geelong supporter on 3 June 2006:

"Today marked the end of the following careers, if not now, in the near future or at the end of the season.

Bomber Thompson
The rest of the coaching staff
Cameron Ling
Josh Hunt
Tom Harley (body is gawn)
Brad Ottens (body is not up to 100 minutes of football)
Steve Johnson"

A little patience and support doesn't hurt.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:03 am 
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j.scarponi wrote:
SOunds too much like Gellong supporters of 2006

post from a Geelong supporter on 3 June 2006:

"Today marked the end of the following careers, if not now, in the near future or at the end of the season.

Bomber Thompson
The rest of the coaching staff
Cameron Ling
Josh Hunt
Tom Harley (body is gawn)
Brad Ottens (body is not up to 100 minutes of football)
Steve Johnson"

A little patience and support doesn't hurt.

I get the point you're trying to make but now to follow through and do what Geelong did at the end of that year.
If the board decide they will persist with Ratten then as a supporter and member, I want transparency in their review and subsequent decisions. There are a lot of disenfranchised supporters at the moment that need something to get them to buy-in to where the club is headed.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:06 am 
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There should be a review, indeed. Just to ensure all areas are covered not necessarily Ratten centric.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:18 am 
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SOunds too much like Gellong supporters of 2006

post from a Geelong supporter on 3 June 2006:

"Today marked the end of the following careers, if not now, in the near future or at the end of the season.

Bomber Thompson
The rest of the coaching staff
Cameron Ling
Josh Hunt
Tom Harley (body is gawn)
Brad Ottens (body is not up to 100 minutes of football)
Steve Johnson"

A little patience and support doesn't hurt.


I hear what you're saying j.s. but it is odd logic. Should Frawley still be at the Tigers? Did we get rid of Pagan a year too soon. Would the cats have won those flags with another coach? They did with Scott. It's about a clear judgement on gameplan, communication skills, strategies, game day smarts, player development etc. it's not about blindly supporting a flawed appointment.

Having said that, I think unless we lose to sides like the Bulldogs etc, he will last the year. And if he gets us playing better he may go on next year, partly because those that picked him may not want too much scrutiny given that our last two coaches were chopped in contract. If Ratts contrat allows us to end it if we don't make finals, then he might be gone. Unfortunately I expect we will make another poorly researched appointment to replace him.

Parko says he has great footy knowledge, and he may have better understanding of the game than 90% of ex players, butbthat's irrelevant if he is only the 14 -18th best coach in the AFL. If we replace him then I hope we get the next great coach coming in to the AFL and not some ego driven has-been looking for a super top up.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:19 am 
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murraycray wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Waite the tall forward is funny Kev!

he is as much a tall forward as if is trade worthy.

anything about ratten getting replaced?
more fluff writing by walls.

was the best center half forward we ever had in my lifetime though.

The last sentence is a big call Synbad. No doubt Wallsy was a gun, but IMO Kernahan has him covered.
Sellers wasn't too shabby either.

But as they say ''Opinions are like..........'' :wink:



Walls would still be a gun today would Sticks???

Walls is Riewoldt with attitude...

fast, mobile, defensive side to his game.. and alot of shit...as well as a big match player.

Sticks had no defensive side to his game and didnt have the mobility Walls had.
Nor was he as accurate
He was a taller man and a slightly better mark but nowhere near as cunning or ruthless

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:53 am 
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Walls like many from his era would spend a lot of time sitting in the stands watching thanks to the match review panel

Waite is by no means a true CHF but the side does play better when he is in and fit . But we have been waiting for years for him to string 15-20 good games together but it never happens
We need a player like Waite we just dont need this Waite because he is never on the park

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 Post subject: Re: Robert Walls article
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:00 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Walls like many from his era would spend a lot of time sitting in the stands watching thanks to the match review panel

Waite is by no means a true CHF but the side does play better when he is in and fit . But we have been waiting for years for him to string 15-20 good games together but it never happens
We need a player like Waite we just dont need this Waite because he is never on the park


It will be more beneficial than not to view Waite as a luxury player on the list albeit a very expensive one!

Hoping Big Cas returns from injury next week and strings 3-4 good games for NB and be up for selection so the club can make a decision on him. So unfortunate after a super pre season.

The recruiting guys need to raise $$ from letting Mclean and Warnock go and get the best possible KPF..not Cloke and not sure who but a big play must be made.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:18 am 
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Throw $250-300k at Patrick Karnezis and play him as a medium forward
Throw $700-800k at Taylor Walker and see if it bites.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:24 am 
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Walker just re-signed literally, why would he leave?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6398467486


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:27 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
Walker just re-signed literally, why would he leave?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6398467486


Aware he just signed about $400-500k deal
It's a big play - could do it for more money - not really suprising in professional sports.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:11 pm 
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j.scarponi wrote:
Throw $250-300k at Patrick Karnezis and play him as a medium forward
Throw $700-800k at Taylor Walker and see if it bites.


I would rather throw good coin at a good recruiter and try and recruit from the ground up - we keep wanting to go back to the old ways of cheque book recruiting established players from other clubs

get the cattle first and then develop second

we have been terrible with this


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:18 pm 
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All very well and good but we still need to use x% of salary cap.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:22 pm 
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Bomba Sheldon wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
Throw $250-300k at Patrick Karnezis and play him as a medium forward
Throw $700-800k at Taylor Walker and see if it bites.


I would rather throw good coin at a good recruiter and try and recruit from the ground up - we keep wanting to go back to the old ways of cheque book recruiting established players from other clubs

get the cattle first and then develop second

we have been terrible with this

What came first, the recruiter or the development coach?

We have good recruiters in Rogers and Hughes who know talent when they see it. If they were terrible, we wouldn't have been playing finals since 2009 after turning the list over in that time frame. Strange that some Carlton supporters think we've picked players that weren't on the radar of other clubs. :?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:33 pm 
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if hughes had a clue he would not have been replaced

toooo many half back flankers.. the coward's choice of drafting.

and we dont know about rogers

and i agree development is poor too

and coaching

confditioning being questioned too

and there is a board and CEO overlooking this stupidity

means were poor all over the place

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Bomba Sheldon wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
Throw $250-300k at Patrick Karnezis and play him as a medium forward
Throw $700-800k at Taylor Walker and see if it bites.


I would rather throw good coin at a good recruiter and try and recruit from the ground up - we keep wanting to go back to the old ways of cheque book recruiting established players from other clubs

get the cattle first and then develop second

we have been terrible with this

What came first, the recruiter or the development coach?

We have good recruiters in Rogers and Hughes who know talent when they see it. If they were terrible, we wouldn't have been playing finals since 2009 after turning the list over in that time frame. Strange that some Carlton supporters think we've picked players that weren't on the radar of other clubs. :?



Watching the swans last night
Bolton Kennedy parker Hannerbury Jack Mcveigh Okeefe Smith all blokes who can play inside all playing in the same team with just armstrong and. Jetta as outside runners and they were still struggling to win the contested ball against GWS
We seem to have the reverse loads of outside runners and noone at the coal face is it any wonder we get smashed

Yarran Garlett Betts Walker Simmo Gibbs Collins Armfield and lately Scotland all outside players

And Ellard Maclean and robbo when they play inside try and kick it to much instead of releasing a runner

Why has our recruiters brought in so many flankers and wingers

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:38 pm 
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Well they were definitely talking the day before the article was released...which is why the McLean comment is staggering.

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