Those two points prove the point i was raising.

hmmm 2011
- increased membership
- increased attendances
- increased revenues
- increased facilities
- best season finish in at least a decade

Was there some other mysterious metric you wanted to base a board sacking on? Face it, these threads did not exist in round 3. If there was legitimate concern they would have come up in October when the Annual Report was released.

I dont agree with the board not being answerable to the members any more, but with that done, the results from last year are not indicative of sloppy board work.

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You joined in March....threads like this have been around for a while...why don't you use the search function? Where do you think the revenues are coming from? Do you think Sticks had a hand in that? The facilities? He wanted to approve the Smorgo-palooza $67million theme park for @#$%&!'s sake.



When's the last time you voted a board member onto the board? They removed voting privileges for many members this year anyway...5 board members sat on a sub-committee to make minor changes to the voting process. A sixth (the President) approved it. Then they realised they'd made a terrible mistake and in changing the constitution realised they'd made an oversight in failing to consider long distance members. The sought legal advice. It was too late. They said sorry. A board member even apologized on this site! And you think they're on top of things?! Bloody hell...

He's honoring Dick Pratt's dying wishes that he remain at the top. The dying wishes of man slipping in and out of consciousness. What he should be doing is commencing an exit strategy. I think Stephen Kernahan could have a role that is invaluable to Carlton. But he's not being used effectively as President. He has a sense of duty to the club, and he wants to do the right thing...but the right thing in this instance is to find a successor. I have strong doubts the successor is already on the board. That worries me.

Nail on head.

Discussing ways to make the club better in a rational and composed way is hardly the same as dropping in to Punt Road with a truckload of chicken manure.

We've all been through a period where we sat by and let the club run unscrutinised. We're still trying to break free form that legacy.

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why is it when questions are asked people have to puff up their keyboard chests and name people Richmond supporters etc.

Doc has raised important issues before - he cares about the club - not just did we win today, but where are we headed? How are we traveling? etc. Give me those kind of supporters any day of the week.

there have been concerns about Sticks before - Doc. Synbad. Myself. and many, many others....

there should always be people asking questions - @#$%&! I don't care if the questions are wrong

they should always be asked...


or wookie and jc would you rather the AFL approach - maybe the club should threaten to fine people for raising questions

maybe they should remove memberships...


Is our current president the very best president for his club?

Is this club at the cutting edge of the AFL - a leader rather than trying to catch up?

Are we innovative?

Have we fallen into old habits - ie the way we treat members/supporters/volunteer staff etc?

these questions should always be asked - always - surely Elliott taught us that much at least....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

It was either deliberate, or gross incompetence.

I spotted the consequences of these proposed changes to the club constitution within 60 seconds of reading them.

If I can realise it that quickly, and they never do; what does that say about our board?

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Strangely, and I think board members would be reading these threads. No of them seem overly concerned about how disenchented we are with the club at the moment, and they dont show themselves on this site anymore to even state their case and allay our fears or even explain processes and what they are working on.

They plea for members and really dont give a toss about us at all. Why would they care, they got their record membership this year !!

Thats nice, keep on going how we are and see what happens next year.

Would be nice, is we can all hold off buying memberships for next year until they get professional about things. Sadly we all love the club to do this......

Mitchell is the big banana at the Rebels, as much as I would love him to be CFC Prez, isn't this talk just academic?

Just heard him on ABC driving to my office, so impressive..

Maybe its a matter of diplomacy

somebody should put it to Sticks in a way that makes it clear his work at the club is appreciated.

Eg. A thank you dinner in gratitude for his services as interim president
Then announce that 'after a long and thorough search' the right candidate has been found.

Spin it in a way that doesn't make it seem like Sticks is getting the boot.



My only question is whether Jeannie would be happy for a new President to be appointed?
Or would she resist it & feel threatened?

Exactly.
Which begs the question - are we really a 'Club' anymore?
Or just customers of a company?

If we don't even vote for the board then we can't consider ourselves shareholders or 'members' with any equity in the organization.

So essentially some suits are just flogging us tickets & taking our passion for granted.

If revenue and memberships are "growing", say @ 5%, and the other VIC power clubs are growing @ 10%, is that progress? Looking at our figures on an absolute basis will get us nowhere, JS. China needs to grow @ 8% plus, otherwise it's going backwards!

You're not the only person curious about this.

I think the last post from anyone anywhere near the club was from the SOC to explain why they had shafted the people who had supported the club in the dark day's.

Since then, flower all.

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Or maybe people have an axe to grind - All indicators apart from this seasons on field performance are on the way up - People compare us to Collingwood we are never going to better them no one in the entire competition does so why kid yourself that you will

If you were running a business through these times and you have revenue increasing - sponsorship full - membership rising - facilites built you would have to say you were doing ok - But of course someone is always better its the nature of the beast - It is like 2 weeks ago we had supporters saying they wished out players played like Richmond players - Next week it will be someone else because richmond are not that flash at the moment

There is no doubt this years on field performance has been questionable but to lay the blame at Sticks and the Board is laughable at best . They have done everything they possibly can to equip the playing group with the tools they need

and if using elite training facilites in Qatar is not innovation I dont know what is - They were not running up high hills in Arizona they went to what is regarded as the best training facilty in the world


The issue I see at the moment is twofold
1. is recruitment
2. is playing tactics

I think over the last few years they have got this two things wrong and they both go hand in hand

But do we blame Sticks for that is it his job to oversee the playing department

The way I see it they have set ambitious targets in membership and top 4 - they wont meet them but do we chuck the baby out with the bath water because of it

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Harold always had an exit strategy to leave the Rebels and that is about to happen. But he gets snapped up pretty quickly. He was recently appointed to the board of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra. The thing is - he's well regarded as a bit of a fixer on boards that have become stale or problematic. Guess what? That's Carlton circa 2012. That's why I threw his name up. In life, in business, in sport - you have to strike while the iron is hot. I have visions of George Harris and Laurie Kerr sitting up in heaven saying to each other 'What the hell are they doing?' Meanwhile - there are Carlton people who think everything is fine.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Mrs. Bueller. It's a fool's paradise. He is just leading you down the primrose path.

Common courtesy would dictate that you might like to read my posts. No one is blaming the on-field performance on Sticks and/or the Board. Certainly not me. If you don't care about the off-field stuff - don't post in this thread.

Cheers Doc.

Yes, I know the spirit in which you threw up his name, but he really is the ideal candidate with his business and media savvy - such a visionary thinker. He's as close to an Eddie like figure we could get, actually Eddie on steroids..

Revenue increasing:
Where is the increase coming from? Remove what are essentially philanthropic donations from the likes of Bruce Mathieson and the Pratt Family, and the increase given to all clubs from TV rights, how is the board acting to grow our revenue base?

Sponsorship full:
What does this even mean? Full? So if a major airline said they'd like to sponsor us we'd say "sorry, we're full?" Our major sponsors are Mars, Hyundai and Visy (essentially a Pratt Family donation). This is hardly "full".

Membership rising:
Yep, absolutely did this year. The promise of Top 4 from our coach and "3 premierships in 5 years" from our President will do that.

Facilities built: Every Victorian club has been given new facilities on a platter, courtesy of the largesse of the Victorian (and in the case of the Bulldogs the Australian) taxpayer. Even the deadbeat Kangaroos got shiny new faclities... so it's fair to say that it was hardly a coup from the board to get that done.


Off-field, we're mediocre in practically every respect. Not North Melbourne/Demons levels of pathetic, but nowhere near the top clubs. Just mediocre. I really don't see how anyone could be happy with the status quo.

Give us one example where the off field is mediocre - other than no one called me or my membership cap is not the same quality as last year

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yes I don't get the we are improving bit Sydney blue keeps rolling out!

we are improving in comparison to what?

what is your improvement marker you are using to compare to?

is it the well run clubs or just incremental organic improvement?

average is average!

no excuses for it if you are meant to be a top afl club!

next! to the funny ones that do not think membership is important and getting people to sign up on any kind of membership.. ..membership is a choice and it is habit!
break that cycle or don't improve it. well it means people are not choosing to make this club a priority and often will find something else to do.

less members smaller harvest going forward on every level!.

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