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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:06 pm 
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Anyone that takes anything other than option 4 has serious issues.
Why wouldn't a Carlton supporter want Carlton to win the premiership? :confused:


I reckon there's more than one who posts on here who don't. Wouldn't suit thier agenda.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:18 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Put a line through Russell, AJ, Bower.
Get games into Watson, Lucas, Bootsma, Buckley, Dale and possibly Casboult, Kerr, Mitchell, ROK & McCarthy.
Develop a back 6 to serve for the 6-10 years consisting of Jamo, Watson, Laidler, Duigan, Yarran, Bootsma, Collins. Development.
Judd to play as a pure outside player floating between defence and attack.
Gibbs to play as a pure running link midfielder. Needs to develop ala Stanton type.
Betts, Garlett to play more midfield.
Development of an inside group of midfielders Ellard, Robinson, Touhy, Carrazzo.
Henderson to play as a permanent CHF.
Walker to play deep forward.
Only play 1 or 2 ruckman per game.
Work on more contested ball game plan.


Psychologist, I actually agree pretty much 100% on what you wrote except for Collins being part of the backline - he is more of a winger/hf, not sure I'd trust him to play tight on a man, and it might stifle his natural flair. Play Armfield as a pure winger, has speed to burn. Where do Davies and White sit by the way? (2 players I always forget are on our list). Should also include McInnes in that group of kids that need a lookin. Also, is McLean part of that inside mid group or not? Curnow?

The twisted thing is you can go through your post line for line and say Ratts is doing the exact opposite, has known about it for some time, still shows a reluctance to make major changes and there's every chance he'll be stuck in his stubborn ways for the rest of the year.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:45 am 
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BlueMark wrote:
Option four just to see Synners head explode.



youre picking these options???? :yikes:

these are like would u love to do jennifer hawkins??

theyre for kids.

what you should be doing is watching collingwood and keeping an eye on their kids...

then watching other shit teams... and wondering how would bryce gibbs and colin sylvia have been if they were drafted by collingwood???

then youd get an idea about why were not in the flag hunt.. and why ratten and co shouldnt be around next year....

and how dreaming and reality is differeent..

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:08 am 
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I agree
Watching young players step into the black and white and play like men with a determination and hunger makes the Carlton reality all the more damning.

Whats more an indictment is Ratten under pressure. Probably for the first time in his career and he bumbles through press conference after press conference.

I'm more convinced than any time prior... He is not the person to achieve ultimate success.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:50 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
With a full list, I can still see us equalling last year.

Make the eight, win a final, lose week 2 (75% chance would be interstate or Collingwood) and then replacing the coach.

Which is why I dont like the "top 4 or gone" clause, just as last year I did like the "must win a final" clause (if one's do/did actually exsist). Surely it's not that simplistic?

Despite all our problems whose to say that at full strength is it that highly unlikely that we couldn't scrape into the 8 and beat a St Kilda, or Geelong in Week 1?

We then go into Week 2 with Ratten's entire future being decided on 1 game. Surely a decision like that needs to be made on all the evidence in front of you from the last 5 years and 6 weeks (recruiting, drafting, player development, injuries etc), rather than - like last year - having it all hinge on 2 hours of football.


It will depend, just like on reality TV, what the admin./producers want to happn.
The spin will be adjusted to the outcome with a decision already made.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:05 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:01 pm 
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I'd quite like us to win a game at some stage.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:04 pm 
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thursd'y nite.

with a storm raging

the courageous and restored Blues give hope to their fans,

with a crushing win

over a crestfallen eagles.

always good to give the underused 'crestfallen' a run.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:08 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
thursd'y nite.

with a storm raging

the courageous and restored Blues give hope to their fans,

with a crushing win

over a crestfallen eagles.

always good to give the underused 'crestfallen' a run.


Love crestfallen.

gunna win

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:17 pm 
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I'd like to see us beat Hawthorn! #justsaying
Not making the finals would surely be embarrasing considering our list!
Win as many games as we can & review the coaching situation at years end. Do not use injuries as an excuse. Worsfold, Buckley & Hird have shown how much more proffesional they & their clubs are considering their lack of excuses with their injuries.
WHEN WE COMPLAIN MORE THAN Essendon* THATS A WORRY!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:20 pm 
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cooky wrote:
Psychologist, I actually agree pretty much 100% on what you wrote except for Collins being part of the backline - he is more of a winger/hf, not sure I'd trust him to play tight on a man, and it might stifle his natural flair. Play Armfield as a pure winger, has speed to burn. Where do Davies and White sit by the way? (2 players I always forget are on our list). Should also include McInnes in that group of kids that need a lookin. Also, is McLean part of that inside mid group or not? Curnow?

The twisted thing is you can go through your post line for line and say Ratts is doing the exact opposite, has known about it for some time, still shows a reluctance to make major changes and there's every chance he'll be stuck in his stubborn ways for the rest of the year.


I saw Collins in the pre season play as a small defender and he was very good. Brown even commented how well he was doing in that role. What happens when the season rolls around. Back to the usual.

Davies needs to get fit but he is another 6ft 1in type that played CHB as a junior and now needs to find another role. Where he will finish is anyones guess.

White is a bit the same. Best position is a third tall defender but doesn't do anything special. McInnes I had hopes for but hasn't seemed to do much.

As for McLean I still don't rate him and think he will be gone by years end. Too many deficiencies and Curnow is just an average footballer and we have enough of those.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:36 pm 
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Benji wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Ah well, I think any poll that has "win the flag" as one of the alternatives, probably needs a bit more thought.


The conundrum is whether winning the flag is the best thing for the club long term. Obviously i would take a flag any day of the year but after watching collingwood play to their structures and their ability to approach every game with the same attitude that was in built into their culture years ago and they have maintained it. We are still a team with no leadership, no structure one week and a champion team the next. No consistency.

Sydney
collingwood

Coaches that had non negotiables which have kept both sides in good stead even after there gone.

Ratten 5 years and he still is far from impressive in the press conferences after losses, far from impressive with his selections, far from impressive with his ability to keep the players grounded and hungry for every game


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Not sure where you're going with that one Benji.
If winning the flag's bad ... well I'm prepared to whether some short term pain then.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:48 pm 
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LOL expect the unexpected in this forum.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:09 pm 
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The Los Angeles Kings just won the Stanley Cup.

They sacked their coach in December. Were 11th in January. Finished the season is 8th and just grabbed the last playoff spot.

Won 13 of their last 15 games...their new coach had never won the Stanley Cup. His teams had missed the playoffs or been bundled out of the playoffs in the first or second rounds in 9 of the 12 years he coached. He didn't change things up too much from the previous coach...but this team epitomizes 'belief'. If the players and coaches still believe they can - then they can.

I'm no longer phased about ladder position in the 8. So long as it's in the 8!

The process for the remainder of the season is for the coaches to drive home 'belief' on the training track and during games. Get creative. Instill belief in the playing group. Take the negativity out of the equation. The players also need to take greater ownership of the process and both parties need to believe and trust each other.

It's not rocket science. It's football.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:16 pm 
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Belief isn't something you turn on or off. It comes from deep down.

You need all players on the list having an unwavering belief in the coach and his systems.

Change the coach quickly with someone who can deliver that we are a chance

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:44 pm 
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What do you want to see happen now?

Win this week.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:13 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
The Los Angeles Kings just won the Stanley Cup.

They sacked their coach in December. Were 11th in January. Finished the season is 8th and just grabbed the last playoff spot.

Won 13 of their last 15 games...their new coach had never won the Stanley Cup. His teams had missed the playoffs or been bundled out of the playoffs in the first or second rounds in 9 of the 12 years he coached. He didn't change things up too much from the previous coach...but this team epitomizes 'belief'. If the players and coaches still believe they can - then they can.

I'm no longer phased about ladder position in the 8. So long as it's in the 8!

The process for the remainder of the season is for the coaches to drive home 'belief' on the training track and during games. Get creative. Instill belief in the playing group. Take the negativity out of the equation. The players also need to take greater ownership of the process and both parties need to believe and trust each other.

It's not rocket science. It's football.

Anything is possible. Make it happen.


Similar situation to here actually, was hard to pick the winner once playoff spots were decided - was there for the taking.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:39 pm 
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I would like us to regain some pride and respect.
------------- to see the players to give a !@#$.
------------- Ratten to trust his players.
------------- to attack down the center.
------------- to play like a team.
------------- to play some kids at the top level.
------------- see us make the eight.
------------- at or near full strength at that time..
------------- see a review and decision on all the coaching staff at the end of the year.
------------- put some extra time in drafting and development instead of recycling.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:44 pm 
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I'd love to see Waitey smack scarponi with his walking stick....

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:56 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Belief isn't something you turn on or off. It comes from deep down.


Team sport, depends on the individual. But no matter what belief they have, they must know coach believes in them. Reckon we have more than a few who rightly or wrongly don't have the confidence of the coaches. Match committee has seemed dysfunctional for a while...not just one man (Brett Ratten), but a few.

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Change the coach quickly with someone who can deliver that we are a chance


That will, in all likelihood, happen at years' end. Change Brett Ratten now and you're either left with an interim coach not cut out to be a senior coach or you're putting a coach in charge who doesn't have his team with him...he has Brett Ratten's team. The LA Kings put Sutter in charge - but kept Terry Murray's assistants. Sutter didn't have a problem with that when he signed.

I would guess...and I'd only be guessing, that Mick Malthouse wouldn't have a problem working with Gavin Brown and Alan Richardson. But I'd reckon he'd want to bring one more with him. That mightn't suit everyone involved - and in the meantime, you're trying to compete while your assistants and fitness staff put their CV's out to other clubs....remember that Brown and Richardson have hopes of being senior coaches.


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