The last 2 pages have nailed it.

Our performance on fri lacked polish in the midfield, whereas geelong had mids kick goals.
Murphy is the class player we miss to finish off the work.

The only other player who has the polish is gibbs.

So there you have it, the missing piece is in the team but we decide that he is to be fully utilised stopping the oppositions best mid forward.

Dont get me wrong, gibbs as a mid has proven little, but we need to develop him there, and look for other solution down back.

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'‘He had an enormous capacity to pump himself up and get the best out of himself when it mattered. He had a fire in his belly – a passion for the contest like few other players’' -- D Parkin in reference to the dominator

Could just leaving him where he plays his best football and stop messing with him and recruit/develop another classy midfielder that has zip, toughness, pace, a massive tank and midfield smarts .

I thing the main complaint is that he does this too much!

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Taking the Geelong's supporter's view, how would they feel? Just snuck in with a near full side (Pods out) against a side crippled by injury to it's gun players (and that's only part of it) after kicking 2.9 in the last qtr. They wouldn't feel confident against a fit Carlton.

I know what we'd be saying on here if it were us.

Wallsy is continuing to stand up for Ratts on radio this morning.

Raising the injuries, improved effort, took over a wooden spoon side, Malthouse wining percentage after 5 years, blah, blah,.... Blah, blah, blah.

And he's right. Can't argue with anything he said.

Yes I can

How? Everything he said was totally 100% factual in it's technical terms. No argument there.

27 fit players, 8 of your top 13 out, one can't be expecting to beat sides like Geelong. Geelong should've, would've expected alot better than a two goal win. Lucky for them we kicked 2.9 in the last qtr otherwise they would've had a heap to scream about if they lost.

Our supporter's expect miracles but they don't often happen. As long as we don't get the crap from the previous week in Adelaide.

Don't think there's any point arguing against children on forums.

How? Everything he said was totally 100% factual in it's technical terms. No argument there.

27 fit players, 8 of your top 13 out, one can't be expecting to beat sides like Geelong. Geelong should've, would've expected alot better than a two goal win. Lucky for them we kicked 2.9 in the last qtr otherwise they would've had a heap to scream about if they lost.

Our supporter's expect miracles but they don't often happen. As long as we don't get the crap from the previous week in Adelaide.[/quote]

Malthouse developed a wooden spoon list to two losing grand finals, then rebuilt the list to win a grand final. 55% success rate is irrelevant, great coaches are measured on Premierships.

Lack of player/list development leads to poor depth and lack of players ready to step in when required. Didn't stop us finishing fifth last year. They also had no impact on the Bombers, Saints and Crows games.

Fact is we rely on Murphy, the reliance on Judd was a myth.

They would feel ok i guess.

3 flags in 5 years... plus another gf...

im sure theyre not expecting their aged list to play forever at that level.

having said that... they beat us without having to do anything special... no bruising ... no unbelievable football..

so they would think theyre not gunna win it this year probably... but they can smmile at their recent history bagging 3 in a short time.

what do you think were going to get in this period coming up???

Ask yourself that!!!

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According to jim......
We should extend his contract then!!!... would he like to see that??

if hes doing such a ripper so why should Ratts be under the pump next year???

He should be allowed to continue on doing his fine work with the security of knowing he will be at the club for another 2 year extension.

Hes doing well!!!
Lets do it????

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Whilst it's not at our level, you can add Vardy, Varcoe, Menzel and Christensen to that list.

Thoughts on the performance are varying on whether you rate the performance against Geelong "last years Premiers" or Geelong "who at best might scrape into the bottom part of the 8, are still beating sides below them, and are at the end of an era and are currently in a rebuild".

You also can put your positive hat on and say "it was massive turn around from a side that 6 days before lost to Port by 9 goals" or the negative hat and say "a team that was at one stage flag favourites should be winning games like this, especially considering on paper it looked the easiest of the horror block of 4".

A game like Friday night polarises opinions.

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"They're [REDACTED]'

So are you saying that a couple of their players are old and off their game and their structures fall in a heap and a club that use to be about premierships is now happy and smiling about being average?

Hey psyc & Moshe, if you are going to have a crack please read my earlier posts, as I had already conceded that I made an error regarding us missing the finals in 80 & as far as Perc not being coach in 81,82 I simply forgot to mention it, what I am trying to say is that sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards and our situation, while not one that makes us happy as supporters may be good for us in years to come.

I don't like it any more than you do but when I look at the way the year has progressed so far with form, injuries, depth & the lack of confidence that these things have caused it looks like we are not ready yet, it is fairly obvious to see that for us to be able to compete against the top sides we have to be playing at our absolute best and injury free as we don't yet have the depth to cover important players in the side, we are never going to be able to play at our best all the time it is just not humanly possible, Psyc surely a learned gentleman like yourself would understand how fragile the human mind can be at times and if we don't have the kids to cover then we don't have them, simple.

How about both of you come up with a reasonable and well thought out plan as to how these problems can be fixed by seasons end or by Thursday night instead of the same old crap about the coach, it didn't look the the coach had lost the players on Friday night, it looked to me like some blokes found a little bit of the faith in themselves that they have lost.

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We are the maybe blues

8 of our best 13 out!!!
That's a valid excuse.

Just remind me, who are they?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

haha

win 3 of your next 5 mr sticks kernahan... have your best footballer go to another club and have 5 or 6 lpayers retire.. and then crow all you like after achieving what they did.

Or you can win 3 wooden spoons bring in chris judd.. have unprecedented access to umber 1 picks.. and still be treading water... and then laugh at them.

I know who the moron is....

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He heard it somewhere.....

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You have made so many assumptions in this post that it has rendered it nonsensical. (When you assume you make an ass out of u and me).

Now if you pay me Swann's and McKay's and Ratten's salary, then I'll have a go at coming up with a reasonable and well thought out plan as to how these problems can be fixed by seasons end or by Thursday night.

However, given that not only aren't I paid, but I have to friggin pay for the privilege (around $2K this year), I'll just consider that it's my friggin right to sit on the sidelines and take potshots.

But, given that you think we ordinary supporters should, how about you come up with a reasonable and well thought out plan as to how these problems can be fixed by seasons end or by Thursday night instead of the same old crap about injuries and we're improving and you gotta give us another 5 years or so......

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!!

After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F .........
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Is that ordinary or ordinary?

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I hope Essendon* folds.