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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:26 am 
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Gentle reminder for everyone....

Stick to the point and leave out the cheapshots at each other please

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:31 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Gentle reminder for everyone....

Stick to the point and leave out the cheapshots at each other please


Kind of like Carlton last night? ;) they stuck to points and avoided those easy cheap shots ;)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:35 am 
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But Casboult/Mitchell/ Rowe /Waite etc would have been the difference???
Cos they tear it up in the AFL.

Scarpone one is who they is....

There is no wayne carey... there is no buddy franklin... so whoever is up there is what you are... and you just stick to the structures.. provide a contest and have always someone in the hot spot as an option.

Thats all.. there will be days when it clicks and days when it doesnt.. but if you stick to this.. and they contest...youll reap rewards.
If you continue to kick it to Eddie....and go to the boundaries... its hard work..


This :thanks:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:41 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
darknavy wrote:
The kick to the boundary is team policy - The belief is that if the forward misses the mark or turns over then at least there is a better chance to corrall an opponent and create the stoppage. With all guns firing we should be the best stoppage team in the caper. The low percentage kick is the bomb to the top of the square, it means that a turnover can be run straight back down the guts.

Shit policy if that's the case....means we have to kick miracle goals consistently....



I am sure the coaches being stats men have done their sums and know which is the most effective in getting score and restricting score.
I guess they believe a shot from the pocket with the possible chance of scoring a goal and at least a chance to activate the press is better than no shot at goal and the possibility of a rebound and the ball no longer in our half. Geelong have been gobbling up balls to the hot spot for years.

If you watch the top teams they all do the same thing.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:46 am 
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Synbad wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
thought the move of yarran as sub at the start of the game cost us a little as we were really quite dominant for most of that 1st qtr but lacked some class and composure in a few passages. someone like yarran could of made the difference and put as the 4-5 goals up we deserved to be. a mate and i thought perhaps we were desperate and played him injured but that all changed when we watched him do a mini training session from the livewire bar after the game. looked to be running freely and at normal yarran speed! upsetting really.

Warnock coming off cost us..... best ruckman on the ground... !!.. wasnt too hard considering who he was up against.. but the was the most dominant man on the ground i thought.


Well if you've got three ruckman on the ground chances are one of them is going to have a decent game.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:47 am 
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club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
darknavy wrote:
The kick to the boundary is team policy - The belief is that if the forward misses the mark or turns over then at least there is a better chance to corrall an opponent and create the stoppage. With all guns firing we should be the best stoppage team in the caper. The low percentage kick is the bomb to the top of the square, it means that a turnover can be run straight back down the guts.

Shit policy if that's the case....means we have to kick miracle goals consistently....



I am sure the coaches being stats men have done their sums and know which is the most effective in getting score and restricting score.
I guess they believe a shot from the pocket with the possible chance of scoring a goal and at least a chance to activate the press is better than no shot at goal and the possibility of a rebound and the ball no longer in our half. Geelong have been gobbling up balls to the hot spot for years.

If you watch the top teams they all do the same thing.

Ok and as sure as night follows day if the top teams are all doing it Ratts is doing it.

But tomorrow someone will try not doing it... and there is a chance he will be succesful.... then noone will do it.(especially Ratten)

Unless of course for the next 100 years... you believe .. every club will be doing exactly this...!!!... with no deviation .Set in stone!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:01 am 
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Yes it was an improvement on last week but what wouldn't be?

Geelong are average and going backwards. Its amazing how peoples expectations change within a week or two. As far as I am concerned its top 4 or things need to change.

The effort was much better but the skill level, structures and ball use was poor.

Three ruck man don't work.

The positives were the games of Bootsma, Ellard, Watson and Collins. Tip for everyone, don't judge players on VFL form. Means jack. Different game, different style, different standard.

By finally playing these kids and getting some game time in to them maybe our list looks to have a bit more depth?

West Coast, Collingwood and Hawthorn will be tougher than Geelong.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:05 am 
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Synbad, Relax champ.

I haven't seen the data but maybe you have. The evidence may be overwhelming. Perhaps they have chosen to play to a weakness that is the lesser of two evils. Get rebounded against or get a shot/stoppage/or repeat fifty where the oppo are scattered. Now i know we are not that accurate from the pockets but probably equally as bad from in front.

Anyway i thought we looked a whole lot better last night. Better effort and a couple back from injury gave us a bit of confidence and structure. Ran the game out well so fitness is good. It looked like a bit of weight has been lifted from the teams shoulders.

Now we have to build on that.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:14 am 
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Thought Watson struggled when running back with the flight to spoil, always came up a little short and seemed to mistime his jump. However, when coming from behind he had a bit more impact. Better game from him.

Brock, whilst still slow, looked more composed again, and was atleast over the ball and didn't just let it slip out (was pinged for this a few times which amazed me)

Someone needs to say it, Kreuzer has really been struggling. He is struggling to hold his feet at contests and really isn't giving us much up forward. Sadly he is not our great white hope in the forward line.

Too much waving from our forwards telling the ball carier to kick it up in the air or long, eddie is the only one that runs directly at the ball carrier.
Until we learn how to lead, stop, lead again, stop, block, lead again and demand the ball our forward line is going to continue to struggle.

Better endeavor, which is what we have been calling for, but really at the end of the day it's 4 points or nothing. And we got nothing, so in my book its not good enough, because i expect perfection from Carlton and anything less then that is a fail.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:18 am 
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One goal between Hendo, Kreuzer and Hampson, who all played a fair portion of the match up forward is quite disappointing. The experiment of playing three ruckman expecting two of them to be key forwards is simply not working. Hopefully this is the last time we see Ratts use them all at once.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:22 am 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad, Relax champ.

I haven't seen the data but maybe you have. The evidence may be overwhelming. Perhaps they have chosen to play to a weakness that is the lesser of two evils. Get rebounded against or get a shot/stoppage/or repeat fifty where the oppo are scattered. Now i know we are not that accurate from the pockets but probably equally as bad from in front.

Anyway i thought we looked a whole lot better last night. Better effort and a couple back from injury gave us a bit of confidence and structure. Ran the game out well so fitness is good. It looked like a bit of weight has been lifted from the teams shoulders.

Now we have to build on that.

Club... im pretty sure evolution and inovation will change the way clubs structure into the future.
Im also pretty sure it wont be a Ratts invention.
Im also triply sure this is one of the reasons we wont ever win the flag with Ratten...

The man is not an initiator.
We played with some kind of heart for the first time in weeks..(where has it been?) and we still came up short...

One thing is for sure... Geelong are not the Geelong of old.

Having said that... some of their kids are doing pretty well.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:26 am 
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Hey synbad, what was your thoughts on Watson's game? Do you concede it was a good game by the young lad? Are his arms still too short? Maybe they're starting to grow in line with his body and head size :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:29 am 
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Hey synbad, what was your thoughts on Watson's game? Do you concede it was a good game by the young lad? Are his arms still too short? Maybe they're starting to grow in line with his body and head size :lol:

He was ok.. but lets see how he develops :wink:

Im not convinced....

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:33 am 
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When the last ball came down to Yarran with Armfield, I was screaming for Yarran to leave it. Even as he was kicking, my think was I'd rather Armfield have it. That would have put us 7 pts down wihth ??5min to go. GAME ON

Now that is a big indictment on Yarran and it turned out to be true. Ditto Simpson 8 min earlier.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:40 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
When the last ball came down to Yarran with Armfield, I was screaming for Yarran to leave it. Even as he was kicking, my think was I'd rather Armfield have it. That would have put us 7 pts down wihth ??5min to go. GAME ON

Now that is a big indictment on Yarran and it turned out to be true. Ditto Simpson 8 min earlier.


Yarran should have put that one through, no doubt about it. He absolutely shanked it. Simmo's however was a tough shot, 50m out on a fair angle, on the wrong side of a left footer. Wan't really expecting him to slot that one.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:40 am 
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How about Garletts miss in the first quater..couldnt believe it!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:55 am 
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How about Garletts miss in the first quater..couldnt believe it!!


Happens most weeks.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:59 am 
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We will make the top 8 - Not all is lost. Scotland back in a few weeks. We will have Carrots and Murph back at the business end - Judd will enjoy the bye.

I don't think that losing to the reigning premiers by 2 goals when we had more scoring shots means that its all over. Players that we all called hacks - McLean, Collins & Watson all showed good composure and desire for most of the night. Bootsma will be a player. Gibbs back in some form. Garlett had a real crack.


The kick to the boundary is team policy - The belief is that if the forward misses the mark or turns over then at least there is a better chance to corrall an opponent and create the stoppage. With all guns firing we should be the best stoppage team in the caper. The low percentage kick is the bomb to the top of the square, it means that a turnover can be run straight back down the guts.


I agree with all this.
Jiffy can be frustrating, but as long as he's switched on and trying for 4 q's I'm happy.
I thought Henda was also great, but is a little scared of playing forward.
I believe he has the talent, but can he hold his nerve there? Can he get more comfortable with switching ends?
He could be a top line player very soon. I truly think we will make the finals, and hopefully, make 2 finals.
If we do, then we are still improving on a a yearly basis, frustrations or not.
This is assuming we play every remaining game with intention and comittment to win. No more snoozing.

Should we thionk of trading Hampson for a true marking forward? Can he be that player?
Will Rrrobbie's body hold out, or do we need a 3rd ruckman in case?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:01 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
thought the move of yarran as sub at the start of the game cost us a little as we were really quite dominant for most of that 1st qtr but lacked some class and composure in a few passages. someone like yarran could of made the difference and put as the 4-5 goals up we deserved to be. a mate and i thought perhaps we were desperate and played him injured but that all changed when we watched him do a mini training session from the livewire bar after the game. looked to be running freely and at normal yarran speed! upsetting really.


Sticks said at the pre game dinner that up until the last minute they didn't expect Yaz to play. They clearly took him in injured and played him as the sub for that reason. Somebody else earlier questioned his intensity at the contest and they are right, he didn't go when he needed to get the loose ball but playing injured will subconsiously do that to you. Bad call by the team to play him at all.


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When the last ball came down to Yarran with Armfield, I was screaming for Yarran to leave it. Even as he was kicking, my think was I'd rather Armfield have it. That would have put us 7 pts down wihth ??5min to go. GAME ON

Now that is a big indictment on Yarran and it turned out to be true. Ditto Simpson 8 min earlier.


He should have played on that's what he would normally do.

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