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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:51 am 
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If you reckon Swann can save us,then good luck.His place is in the front office and that is going only so so. Thats the big problem,Swann sticking his bib into matters that dont concern him when he cant even do his own job properly.Swann is overated..........Andy Mac is the man.Reckon Andy is gonna reck some old freindships pretty soon.Its gotta be done.



I hope you're right - but I still think we reek too much of the 95 Premiership Players Club and Sticks might be the President, but I am pretty sure there is someone else from that group pulling the strings "Godfather Style". :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:59 am 
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The CEO of an AFL football club has (in my eyes) three responsibilities, and there are a lot that falls under these three - but essentially - there are three.

1. Make sure the club is going in the right direction - STRATEGY
2. Make sure the environment is one that people can do their jobs to the best of their ability - CULTURE
3. Deal with bad news

Good news takes care of itself. If Bryce Gibbs gets a contract at Carlton that's the richest in the history of AFL football, Swann probably had a little to do with that but has very little to add to that. But if the club has a sponsor who has a problem - that's the CEO's job to deal with it, if the club has screwed something up - CEO's job to deal with it, employee does something bad - CEO's job to deal with it, business not operating well - CEO's job to deal with it. Media having a go at the club (because bad news sells news) - CEO's job to deal with it.

Human nature dictates that most people would prefer to stick their head in the sand at the sight of bad news and hope it goes away - but the one common theme with bad news is that it usually gets worse and does not get better on its own. Successful sporting organisations and business are, in part, so successful because they are better at anticipating, learning, processing, communicating and dealing with problems. It's not about how good they are at dealing with good news.

Swann can take as many accolades as he likes when we are successful. But he has a few problems on his hands right now. Do we expect a statement? I think there's enough 'noise' around. I'm pretty sure it's his job. But now that the club isn't going so well on-field...the off-field stuff starts to merge together. This is a competition not only for points, but supporters, members, sponsors, people (staff) etc etc...And whatever comes out of Carlton's CEO's mouth has to reiterate what the 'Blue Print' (strategic plan) outlined. Perhaps what supporters want to hear is why isn't the club adhering to this 2011 document? Weren't supporters told (as potential investors) that this is the way forward?

OUR MISSION
Win Premierships and provide amazing experiences
The Carlton Football Club exists to win premierships. Success defines
the Club. The Club will provide great entertainment and proactively and
purposefully engage with its members, its supporters, its customers, the
media and its sponsors. These are our lifeblood and are as much part of
the Club as our Players, Coaches, Staff, Executive and Board.

OUR PROMISE
Uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success
This is how Carlton has always been. Focussed – Determined - Committed.
“Uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success” is our promise to each
other – Board, Executive, Staff, Players, Coaches, Members, Sponsors and
Supporters. There is a single minded belief that this promise, along with
consistently living the Trademark – the Carlton values, will deliver our
mission, “To win premierships and provide amazing experiences”.

INTEGRITY
We are committed to an open and honest communication,
where trust and respect define our engagement internally and externally
Our integrity enables us to commit to the Mission,
the Promise and the Carlton Trademark.

TEAMWORK
Together we are focused and unified on achieving our objectives.
Teamwork enables us to share the load and be selfless,
to put the team first.

INNOVATION
Pushing the boundaries and setting the agenda.
We will invest in our future.
Being innovative enables us to have the courage to take risks in order to
generate rewards

LEADERSHIP
Always decisive and providing the example for others to follow.
Being leaders enables us to provide example for others to follow.

EXCELLENCE
Persistence. Quality in planning, quality in system and process, quality in
management and quality in delivery. We expect only the best.
Our excellence is demonstrated by our high performance culture.

While the Carlton Football Club’s core business is winning football
matches, and in particular, premierships, its ability to engage with the
people that underpin its existence – members, sponsors, supporters, media
and the wider community – is a critical element to our operations.
Without these key stakeholders, Carlton cannot exist to win premierships.
And engaging them is the key for them to belong to the Club, stay with the
Club and help the Club thrive.

Live the Trademark everyday Swanny. Not asking for sackings (club still has a positive record)...asking for leadership. I believe it's one of the Carlton values.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:10 pm 
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In politics there is a rule:

Ministers deliver good news

Public servants deliver bad news

A variation of this is:

Ministers deliver bad news

Prime Ministers deliver good news.

So at C.F.C. who will front the media?

What news will they deliver?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:14 pm 
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He is doing a good job but should definitely stay out of football matters i,e Ratten said in press conference he wanted to recruit a key forward to improve the team and Swan slammed Ratten and said no such deal will take place and improvement will come within. Didn't like that one iota.. but other than that he has done a good job.Mighty glad McKay is on board that has more intimate knowledge.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:20 pm 
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I reckon he's part of the problem too.

Hell - he was almost gone last year.

Sticks / Swann / Ratts and McKay all need to go. I just don't see it as a team workplace.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:26 pm 
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I reckon he's part of the problem too.

Hell - he was almost gone last year.

Sticks / Swann / Ratts and McKay all need to go. I just don't see it as a team workplace.


So get rid of McKay?

The guy who's just been hired to shake the Footy Dept up?

The guy who's just had run an eye over our list and reckon it's crook and made changes.?

The only bloke on the list with an education and a guy respected at AFL head Office.?

A guy known for his work ethic and professionalism as a player and in his personal life.?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:38 pm 
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Swan just needs to make sure the balance sheet keeps improving and profits become fatter year on year, if he does that then he is a keeper.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:51 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I reckon he's part of the problem too.

Hell - he was almost gone last year.

Sticks / Swann / Ratts and McKay all need to go. I just don't see it as a team workplace.


So get rid of McKay?

The guy who's just been hired to shake the Footy Dept up?

The guy who's just had run an eye over our list and reckon it's crook and made changes.?

The only bloke on the list with an education and a guy respected at AFL head Office.?

A guy known for his work ethic and professionalism as a player and in his personal life.?



He's been hired by his old mate sticks........... who also hired his old mate Ratt's.

That's my concern.

Nothing against McKay, but it's just getting to be a bit too much of a "Boys Club" for my liking.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:56 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I reckon he's part of the problem too.

Hell - he was almost gone last year.

Sticks / Swann / Ratts and McKay all need to go. I just don't see it as a team workplace.


So get rid of McKay?

The guy who's just been hired to shake the Footy Dept up?

The guy who's just had run an eye over our list and reckon it's crook and made changes.?

The only bloke on the list with an education and a guy respected at AFL head Office.?

A guy known for his work ethic and professionalism as a player and in his personal life.?



He's been hired by his old mate sticks........... who also hired his old mate Ratt's.

That's my concern.

Nothing against McKay, but it's just getting to be a bit too much of a "Boys Club" for my liking.


I'd say McKay is in there because he's not seen as one of the boy's. He may have played for us, but I get the feeling he doesn't like laziness and people who don't work for whats on offer.

I don't know why he's in the box ATM, but I don't think it's to hold BR's hand.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:56 pm 
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j.scarponi wrote:
He is doing a good job but should definitely stay out of football matters i,e Ratten said in press conference he wanted to recruit a key forward to improve the team and Swan slammed Ratten and said no such deal will take place and improvement will come within. Didn't like that one iota.. but other than that he has done a good job.Mighty glad McKay is on board that has more intimate knowledge.


McKay is not on the Board as he is General Manager of Football...

Swan is an imposter...he got too much credit at Collingwood but the truth is that he had Maquire behind him..

He only come to Carlton after a huge offer from Sir Dick Pratt and again had Pratt behind him....Since Pratt passed away what has he done?....oh yeah getting $600k a year ....


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:13 pm 
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Relax guys ... phew

Take out 6 or 7 top line players out of any side ... and they will struggle.

Swann won't be sacking Ratten at the end of the year ... you guys are so funny.

Looking at the games ahead ... we will be very lucky to make the 8 ... and there is a reason for it ... but its not to do with the coaching staff ... lol.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:20 pm 
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Rubbish.
We've been playing CRAP football since Round 4.
We have been without Murphy (the only REAL terrible loss) for just two weeks.
It's not the equivalent of a recession, it's the equivalent of a depression.
1 week call it a blip, 2 call it a concern... 7? You're up the creek. The only question is, have you lost the paddle?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:21 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Take out 6 or 7 top line players out of any side ... and they will struggle.


Kind of like the way Collingwood are struggling at the moment...oh hang on.

Kind of like the way WC are struggling with Kennedy/LeCras/Nicoski out (combined 147 goals last year)........oh hang on.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:21 pm 
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Hahaha ... these posts are becoming hillarious.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Hahaha ... these posts are becoming hillarious.

pay attention to the signs! or you will be a very disappointed lad as the season progresses.

its just how it is!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:49 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Relax guys ... phew

Take out 6 or 7 top line players out of any side ... and they will struggle.

Swann won't be sacking Ratten at the end of the year ... you guys are so funny.

Looking at the games ahead ... we will be very lucky to make the 8 ... and there is a reason for it ... but its not to do with the coaching staff ... lol.



No worries Kevin. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:48 pm 
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Greg Swann...where are you?


No Carlton...this isn't the CEO.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:49 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I reckon he's part of the problem too.

Hell - he was almost gone last year.

Sticks / Swann / Ratts and McKay all need to go. I just don't see it as a team workplace.


So get rid of McKay?

The guy who's just been hired to shake the Footy Dept up?

The guy who's just had run an eye over our list and reckon it's crook and made changes.?

The only bloke on the list with an education and a guy respected at AFL head Office.?

A guy known for his work ethic and professionalism as a player and in his personal life.?


:thumbsup: McKay needs to stay but the rest....well won't be missed if they were gone...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:59 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
The CEO of an AFL football club has (in my eyes) three responsibilities, and there are a lot that falls under these three - but essentially - there are three.

1. Make sure the club is going in the right direction - STRATEGY
2. Make sure the environment is one that people can do their jobs to the best of their ability - CULTURE
3. Deal with bad news

Good news takes care of itself. If Bryce Gibbs gets a contract at Carlton that's the richest in the history of AFL football, Swann probably had a little to do with that but has very little to add to that. But if the club has a sponsor who has a problem - that's the CEO's job to deal with it, if the club has screwed something up - CEO's job to deal with it, employee does something bad - CEO's job to deal with it, business not operating well - CEO's job to deal with it. Media having a go at the club (because bad news sells news) - CEO's job to deal with it.

Human nature dictates that most people would prefer to stick their head in the sand at the sight of bad news and hope it goes away - but the one common theme with bad news is that it usually gets worse and does not get better on its own. Successful sporting organisations and business are, in part, so successful because they are better at anticipating, learning, processing, communicating and dealing with problems. It's not about how good they are at dealing with good news.

Swann can take as many accolades as he likes when we are successful. But he has a few problems on his hands right now. Do we expect a statement? I think there's enough 'noise' around. I'm pretty sure it's his job. But now that the club isn't going so well on-field...the off-field stuff starts to merge together. This is a competition not only for points, but supporters, members, sponsors, people (staff) etc etc...And whatever comes out of Carlton's CEO's mouth has to reiterate what the 'Blue Print' (strategic plan) outlined. Perhaps what supporters want to hear is why isn't the club adhering to this 2011 document? Weren't supporters told (as potential investors) that this is the way forward?

OUR MISSION
Win Premierships and provide amazing experiences
The Carlton Football Club exists to win premierships. Success defines
the Club. The Club will provide great entertainment and proactively and
purposefully engage with its members, its supporters, its customers, the
media and its sponsors. These are our lifeblood and are as much part of
the Club as our Players, Coaches, Staff, Executive and Board.

OUR PROMISE
Uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success
This is how Carlton has always been. Focussed – Determined - Committed.
“Uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success” is our promise to each
other – Board, Executive, Staff, Players, Coaches, Members, Sponsors and
Supporters. There is a single minded belief that this promise, along with
consistently living the Trademark – the Carlton values, will deliver our
mission, “To win premierships and provide amazing experiences”.

INTEGRITY
We are committed to an open and honest communication,
where trust and respect define our engagement internally and externally
Our integrity enables us to commit to the Mission,
the Promise and the Carlton Trademark.

TEAMWORK
Together we are focused and unified on achieving our objectives.
Teamwork enables us to share the load and be selfless,
to put the team first.

INNOVATION
Pushing the boundaries and setting the agenda.
We will invest in our future.
Being innovative enables us to have the courage to take risks in order to
generate rewards

LEADERSHIP
Always decisive and providing the example for others to follow.
Being leaders enables us to provide example for others to follow.

EXCELLENCE
Persistence. Quality in planning, quality in system and process, quality in
management and quality in delivery. We expect only the best.
Our excellence is demonstrated by our high performance culture.

While the Carlton Football Club’s core business is winning football
matches, and in particular, premierships, its ability to engage with the
people that underpin its existence – members, sponsors, supporters, media
and the wider community – is a critical element to our operations.
Without these key stakeholders, Carlton cannot exist to win premierships.
And engaging them is the key for them to belong to the Club, stay with the
Club and help the Club thrive.

Live the Trademark everyday Swanny. Not asking for sackings (club still has a positive record)...asking for leadership. I believe it's one of the Carlton values.



Doc Sherrin
All business have something similar but its bullshit and never gets fulfilled because people are basically stupid. and are human. The thing is you want someone whose not as stupid as someone like ........eh............. STICKS


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:00 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
The CEO of an AFL football club has (in my eyes) three responsibilities, and there are a lot that falls under these three - but essentially - there are three.

1. Make sure the club is going in the right direction - STRATEGY
2. Make sure the environment is one that people can do their jobs to the best of their ability - CULTURE
3. Deal with bad news

Good news takes care of itself. If Bryce Gibbs gets a contract at Carlton that's the richest in the history of AFL football, Swann probably had a little to do with that but has very little to add to that. But if the club has a sponsor who has a problem - that's the CEO's job to deal with it, if the club has screwed something up - CEO's job to deal with it, employee does something bad - CEO's job to deal with it, business not operating well - CEO's job to deal with it. Media having a go at the club (because bad news sells news) - CEO's job to deal with it.

Human nature dictates that most people would prefer to stick their head in the sand at the sight of bad news and hope it goes away - but the one common theme with bad news is that it usually gets worse and does not get better on its own. Successful sporting organisations and business are, in part, so successful because they are better at anticipating, learning, processing, communicating and dealing with problems. It's not about how good they are at dealing with good news.

Swann can take as many accolades as he likes when we are successful. But he has a few problems on his hands right now. Do we expect a statement? I think there's enough 'noise' around. I'm pretty sure it's his job. But now that the club isn't going so well on-field...the off-field stuff starts to merge together. This is a competition not only for points, but supporters, members, sponsors, people (staff) etc etc...And whatever comes out of Carlton's CEO's mouth has to reiterate what the 'Blue Print' (strategic plan) outlined. Perhaps what supporters want to hear is why isn't the club adhering to this 2011 document? Weren't supporters told (as potential investors) that this is the way forward?

OUR MISSION
Win Premierships and provide amazing experiences
The Carlton Football Club exists to win premierships. Success defines
the Club. The Club will provide great entertainment and proactively and
purposefully engage with its members, its supporters, its customers, the
media and its sponsors. These are our lifeblood and are as much part of
the Club as our Players, Coaches, Staff, Executive and Board.

OUR PROMISE
Uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success
This is how Carlton has always been. Focussed – Determined - Committed.
“Uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success” is our promise to each
other – Board, Executive, Staff, Players, Coaches, Members, Sponsors and
Supporters. There is a single minded belief that this promise, along with
consistently living the Trademark – the Carlton values, will deliver our
mission, “To win premierships and provide amazing experiences”.

INTEGRITY
We are committed to an open and honest communication,
where trust and respect define our engagement internally and externally
Our integrity enables us to commit to the Mission,
the Promise and the Carlton Trademark.

TEAMWORK
Together we are focused and unified on achieving our objectives.
Teamwork enables us to share the load and be selfless,
to put the team first.

INNOVATION
Pushing the boundaries and setting the agenda.
We will invest in our future.
Being innovative enables us to have the courage to take risks in order to
generate rewards

LEADERSHIP
Always decisive and providing the example for others to follow.
Being leaders enables us to provide example for others to follow.

EXCELLENCE
Persistence. Quality in planning, quality in system and process, quality in
management and quality in delivery. We expect only the best.
Our excellence is demonstrated by our high performance culture.

While the Carlton Football Club’s core business is winning football
matches, and in particular, premierships, its ability to engage with the
people that underpin its existence – members, sponsors, supporters, media
and the wider community – is a critical element to our operations.
Without these key stakeholders, Carlton cannot exist to win premierships.
And engaging them is the key for them to belong to the Club, stay with the
Club and help the Club thrive.

Live the Trademark everyday Swanny. Not asking for sackings (club still has a positive record)...asking for leadership. I believe it's one of the Carlton values.



Doc Sherrin
All business have something similar but its bullshit and never gets fulfilled because people are basically stupid. and are human. The thing is you want someone whose not as stupid as someone like ........eh............. STICKS


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