hold it a minute!

Judd and Dangerfield are not the only type of midfielder going around.

so it's Judd like or bust!

midfield is a mosaic that whey placed together is a great piece of work!

if all Gibbs is is just another half back flank player I'm going to throw tomatoes at Hughes!

what we need to do is get the right mix and mindset.

we play uncontested football cos we were allowed to play that way

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simmo into the middle, gibbs on a wing running forward. love him forward of the centre.

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Throw your tomatoes and get on with it i say.

He will be one of the best if the not the best HBF in the comp. He will win contests there too. Plenty and they will be important to the team.
He is never going to be a hardball in an under + zippy onballer winning contests in congested packs moving the ball forward with purpose.

Cory Enright type off half back is it.
So he went No1 in a draft.....move on. Blame the recruiters if you're not happy and get on with it. Its not like he is a dud (playing like the last 2 weeks but he is not).
Anyone would have to be pretty naive to think that a number one pick in any draft will end up being the best in that draft if it was taken again 5 years later. La la land stuff.

Trying to turn him into something he isn't is just plain silly and time wasting.

Gibbs needs to be in an attacking role.
Enough of the easy kick crap.
He's been programmed for five years and it has wrecked him.
Ok his education on defence mode is complete time to let him be the hunted.

We took him as an attacking skilful young player that should be able to make an immediate impact on a game and turned him into a dime a dozen player.
Yes it is for his education on the game but now should be enough.
We need him to be an inspirational leader of the future and he needs to take another step in the education of his leadership.
He is treading water this year and needs to go up another level now that we have others to do the defensive role and Murphy is injured.
Don't kid yourselves he needs to become that player if our club can move forward.
Gibbs has been tooted as a future leader for the start and now needs to become the man.
This is where he by his own resources lifts this club to where it should be.
Let me ask you, if not him then who?

On the mid debate
Yets not just pideon hole mids as zippy or slow and inisders.
Gibbs is alot like Pendelbury.
He's got good vision, great disposal, can find space, creative and good over head.

The only difference is Gibbs has been out of congestion for too long.

Hold it !!! hold it!!! hold it!!!

Lets ask Cazzesman what we drafted Gibbs to be.

Did we see a mid or a hbf???

Might be off having Greek Easter but i can wait.....!!!

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Yeah, but they weren't coming out in the media defending/talking up their form last week.

Agree with a lot of your stuff Synbad. In fact when the pollyanna's on this site attack you personally, your replies are measured and rational. Keep it up.
Having said that, I don't agree with Gibbs being a gun footballer. He has provided little evidence of that. Sure he's provided evidence that he can run with classy players and negate/beat them (Goodes and Pendlebury come to mind)

But from what I've seen, a gun he is not. His kicking for goal is not elite, his contested ball is not elite, his game impact is not elite, his urgency is not elite and his gut running is not elite. Having said that, I do believe a new coach may elicit those qualities out of him. Some people just flourish under a new regime. Currently, he appears to be too comfortable with his lot (and locks) at Visy Park

Gibbs will kick 35 -50 goals a year as forward/mid - not to mention the goal assists. Mark my words, when he starts getting a taste for the goals, he won't look back!!!!

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Who cares what he was drafted as. That was 2006. You are a smart man Synbad surely you see that the game has changed since 2006 when he was freewheeling it in the SANFL.
Gibbs was drafted to play 200 games for the blues. I reckon he will get that and some outstanding seasons. Just will be more Cory Enright than Nathan Buckley. We all have to get over that and be realistic.

Needs a proper coach and then assess

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A new coach might give him some renewed energy. Needs some muscle too (the shoulder injury probably played a part in his current shape) if he wants to compete in tight. Can't see it and have seen minimal evidence since day 1 that he is an AFL onballer. Plenty of top notch games off halfback and in my eyes that is not a crime.

If Ratts and co can't dig us out of this hole then their work with this group is done. A new coach should be brought in at seasons end and hopefully he brings a broom to the sweep out the flakes.

if we lose to Melbourne we simply must sack rats!
we should be looking at paying roos or malthouse whatever it takes to come in for the remainder of the season to steady the ship!
then reassess end of season!
the money to fund this should come from sticks and the board as well as Greg swan.

the mantra I am Carlton should apply to them too!

everyone has a price!

we can't waste any more time!

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He has been programmed for the last 5 years to be a reactionary defensive player. Think about it. Back pocket, HBF and even in the midfield he plays a defensive tagger.

Needs to be re-programmed to hunt his own ball. Play him in the middle not in a defensive role but a clearance player. He will have to go in or get found out.

The thing that worries me is that I have never seen Bryce Squibbs throw himself into a pack like Dangerfield not even once in his career. Dangerfield did it to us about 10 times alone on Sunday.

I fear we will go Bryce's whole career without realizing his potential. No more defence, no more tagging. What a friggin waste!!!

they should already be searching their collective pockets and talking to these guys by now if they had any balls!

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I bet my bottom dollar you will see a vastly more improved Gibbs with a proper coach!
same with all our players!

then we will know what kind of players we need to bring into the team to take the final step!

yes! I think Gibbs is a gun!

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there needs to be a back up plan not just on the field!
sticks should put up one hundred big ones and the rest of the board fifty each.
the Pratt's should foot the rest of the bill as they are on that board x 2!
I want to see accountability through good times and bad times!

can't do it? bye bye!

that's one way of bringing in some accountability to the club at the top!


we are Carlton @#$%&! the rest!

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Get Malthouse........

Ratten can stay in the stands and barrack how much he likes for as long as he likes.

agree

Judds 29 at the end of this year
Simos 29 mid way through next
Waite and Scotland will both be in their 30's next year

arguably 4 of our best 10 players with their best footy behind them.

three of those are midfielders

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This thread is ostensibly about Gibbs but it has also been about Ratten.

I agree with Synbad - it's time for a change at the top. My issue with Ratts is that there has never been a Plan B when things aren't working. We have kidded ourselves in the last two seasons believing we are still on the up but this season three teams have exposed our Plan A as being useless, using the same approach each time.

The reality now is that we are going nowhere so why waste time until season's end?

A courageous decision is needed.