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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:16 am 
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bruise free footy revenge game for Melbourne... This is there chance to get payback and add a nail into Ratten's coffin. Go Dees...

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:21 am 
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Yu can bet theyre primed for this game.
They would be thinking to themselves.. chance for some kind of redemption by knocking off early flag favourites.
Might not be capable.. but every dog has his day..
I think they will be up for it... they will throw everything at us.

This game is massive!!!! :eek:

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:37 am 
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This game is only massive if we lose, which is conceivable given how rubbish we are right now.

If we win, I won't give a shit.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:45 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
We dont have any kind of 'Plan B' and not surprisingly everbody has now caught onto what Essendon*, St Kilda and now Adelaide did to us. I am not sure if Melbourne have the wherewithall to do it to us but if GWS can make it tough for 3/4 then I guess anything can happen. As much as I hate to say it, Hird and Thompson worked us out and exposed us as one trick ponies!


Essendon* et al have just copied how Hawthorn have approached Carlton over the last 4-5 years, it's only this season that Essendon* have the strength to play us that way.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:45 am 
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Struth there are some Carlton ferals around...when did you all start acting like Richmond people? You don't sack the coach at 5-3...and this week we go from playing the best team in the competition to the worst. I rarely bet on football, but have made a killing from the Crows this year. They're good and punters still don't rate them. Melbourne are bad...weather permitting, this is the game we need to find some form and get out of the rut. Blues by 56.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:53 am 
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The question is how does Adelaide overtake us?
Why does StKilda flatten us?
Make no mistake .. were not a hell of a lot better than Melbourne right now and were going down like a lead balloon

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:19 am 
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Synbad wrote:
The question is how does Adelaide overtake us?
Why does StKilda flatten us?
Make no mistake .. were not a hell of a lot better than Melbourne right now and were going down like a lead balloon


You forgot Essendon* and West Coast. Time for the boys to hit the weights room in the off season as we simply get out-bodied.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:21 am 
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Every year we wait for someone to pass us before we say we need to do that which they are doing better.

BS and a cop-out.

When do clubs start doing what we are doing?


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:22 am 
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diesel_85 wrote:
time to ditch the 2 ruckmen auto-setting we currently have installed.
drop 1, IMO hampson
Play Kreuze alone and use an extra mid/runner. worth a try
Use tbird or hendo for forwardline ruckwork
Not sure if we have had 1 game where both ruckmen have dominated and been a worthy tactic

Play TEX in the guts for 4 quarters.
Bring in Collins to play the medium forward role

out: hammer, curnow
in: collins, lucas


Interesting thinking. I think Kreuzer is more worthy of being dropped than Hammer but overall I like the idea.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:00 am 
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Eddie wrote:
We have to give those players who have been knocking on the door for selection a game next week. You know all of our good young players, what are their names again?


That's when my depression started on the weekend, watching the ABC coverage and realising how thoroughly and comprehensively we had f'd up our recruiting in the past few years. Just nothing there at all to look forward to. Just a bunch of footballers running on the spot (literally and metaphorically!), not showing any signs of development or improvement at all. My God, Watson and McCarthy! :eek: Surely, these two weren't this bad as juniors. Have we actually deteriorated these guys as footballers since they walked into the club?!!?

There is no-one to elevate from NB to the seniors - Bucks and Bootsma maybe but fair dinkum they are not ready! It would be just swapping players for swapping sake

I was 3 goals out for the crows game - i predicted 6-8 goal loss. I think dees by 5-7 this week. The dees are a rabble but they'll still slaughter us in the contested ball and we'll fold like a deck of cards. We are weak as p!ss...

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:08 am 
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In a sick kind of way I hope we do get knocked off by Melbourne...
Maybe then the club will actually do something.

If we beat Melbourne just you watch... they will declare things are back on track.. you can only beat who is out there... and quote a bunch of stats to show we once again beat up on a crap team but gives the MC and coaching staff some ammunition to pat each other on the back for another week.

But maybe this is just the depression on a Monday after knowing your club gave a weak as piss performance.

We are the Josh Hunt of the entire AFL.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:18 am 
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In a sick kind of way I hope we do get knocked off by Melbourne...
Maybe then the club will actually do something.

If we beat Melbourne just you watch... they will declare things are back on track.. you can only beat who is out there... and quote a bunch of stats to show we once again beat up on a crap team but gives the MC and coaching staff some ammunition to pat each other on the back for another week.

But maybe this is just the depression on a Monday after knowing your club gave a weak as piss performance.

We are the Josh Hunt of the entire AFL.


That's incredibly harsh but so true. I said in the other thread - we will smash them by 10 or 12 goals with highlight reel goals and hangers, high fives all round and we're back on track. Probably do the same against Port. Then fold the week after.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:19 am 
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That is the problem and it happens every year before the season starts you struggle to fit all the players in
have a look at our best 22 thread

Half through the year you are stuggling to find 15 -16 players who warrant their place in the side

Bootsma - to skinny
Buckley - to skinny
Carrazo -injured
Casboult- injured
Collins- - skinny dud
Davies - injured dud
joseph - dud
Kerr -either always injured or not sticking his hand up
Laidler- Injured
Lucas - soft and no tank
Maccarthy - not showing enough always injured
Mccinnes- injured
Mitchell -always injured
Maclean - should be playing coach and fans dont like him
Okeefe - always injured
Rowe - cancer but was struggling
Warnock - struggles with injury to skinny
White always injured
Heyne - dud
Bray - always injured
Bell- fat arse
Carter - struggling
Dale- to skinny
Lodge - struggling


No to put pressure on those in the team and the ones in the team not making an effort

Disgraceful recruiting
Disgraceful - development
disgraceful -coaching
Disgraceful -administration

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:22 am 
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teknodeejay wrote:
We are the Josh Hunt of the entire AFL.


Thats the answer trade for Josh hunt :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:26 am 
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Now we kniw what it must have been like when the Spanish landed in the Americas.
Aztecs that were competitive with each other now had to fight someone much more advanced.

Our players look to the coaches for answers. The coaches persist using the same tactics.
The players are lost in the firestorm .
They are all ineffective.

We didnt prepare for the game.We didnt tae the kinds of players we need.
We play in a fashion for non contested footy.
They only know this way.
We know theyre not drilled for any other kind of footy than this because there is nothing in the cupboard to call upon to stiffen competitive footy.
The club didnt plan for contested footy.
the players arent drilled.
they might try to work.. but theyre not natural extractors.

Were [REDACTED]!

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:37 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Struth there are some Carlton ferals around...when did you all start acting like Richmond people? You don't sack the coach at 5-3...and this week we go from playing the best team in the competition to the worst. I rarely bet on football, but have made a killing from the Crows this year. They're good and punters still don't rate them. Melbourne are bad...weather permitting, this is the game we need to find some form and get out of the rut. Blues by 56.



My Gosh Doc.....Ratten can not coach.....what does it take for the penny to drop?


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:46 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
That is the problem and it happens every year before the season starts you struggle to fit all the players in
have a look at our best 22 thread

Half through the year you are stuggling to find 15 -16 players who warrant their place in the side

Bootsma - to skinny
Buckley - to skinny
Carrazo -injured
Casboult- injured
Collins- - skinny dud
Davies - injured dud
joseph - dud
Kerr -either always injured or not sticking his hand up
Laidler- Injured
Lucas - soft and no tank
Maccarthy - not showing enough always injured
Mccinnes- injured
Mitchell -always injured
Maclean - should be playing coach and fans dont like him
Okeefe - always injured
Rowe - cancer but was struggling
Warnock - struggles with injury to skinny
White always injured
Heyne - dud
Bray - always injured
Bell- fat arse
Carter - struggling
Dale- to skinny
Lodge - struggling




I don't agree with all the 'dud' statements, but when you look at that list in its entirety, it does paint a pretty grim picture.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:57 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
That is the problem and it happens every year before the season starts you struggle to fit all the players in
have a look at our best 22 thread

Half through the year you are stuggling to find 15 -16 players who warrant their place in the side

Bootsma - to skinny
Buckley - to skinny
Carrazo -injured
Casboult- injured
Collins- - skinny dud
Davies - injured dud
joseph - dud
Kerr -either always injured or not sticking his hand up
Laidler- Injured
Lucas - soft and no tank
Maccarthy - not showing enough always injured
Mccinnes- injured
Mitchell -always injured
Maclean - should be playing coach and fans dont like him
Okeefe - always injured
Rowe - cancer but was struggling
Warnock - struggles with injury to skinny
White always injured
Heyne - dud
Bray - always injured
Bell- fat arse
Carter - struggling
Dale- to skinny
Lodge - struggling


No to put pressure on those in the team and the ones in the team not making an effort

Disgraceful recruiting
Disgraceful - development
disgraceful -coaching
Disgraceful -administration


Stop Sugarcoating Syd, tell us what you really think!!

We have been royally bent over on trades in recent years. Essentially we gave away Jacobs and Grigg for nothing (well nothing useful anyway). You can blame Grigg all you like for being disloyal etc but realistically, if I wasnt getting a game and somebody elsewhere offered me more money and more opportunity I'd leave as well, cant blame the kid for wanting to play footy! Problem we have is that by the time we knew for sure he was leaving we had no skin in the trade and the only option was to drop duds and bend over!! Same deal for Sauce!

We have struggled badly to draft KPP. Our VFL list looks like the knackers yard for broken down TAC cup has beens. We have a brace of kids whose names start with Mac that cant get on the park and dont have a working set of shoulders between the lot! They'll hang around on the list for 3 - 5 years earning a living off potential and then 'do a Hartlett' or 'a Livingstone'! We gave away pick 11 for the guy that was going to get in and win us the hard ball but he has barely been sighted since and has not impressed when he has been in. The only shining light has been a couple of rookies, an irishman and other smokies we somehow snaffled late in the piece.

I tend to agree with you Syd.

So far this year we started the season on fire but we have been exposed as 1 trick ponies. The competition has worked us out and due to the problems listed above we have no alternatives.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:43 am 
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Stone Free wrote:
Synbad wrote:
The question is how does Adelaide overtake us?
Why does StKilda flatten us?
Make no mistake .. were not a hell of a lot better than Melbourne right now and were going down like a lead balloon


You forgot Essendon* and West Coast. Time for the boys to hit the weights room in the off season as we simply get out-bodied.


Didn't the Dick "fund raising" gigs and the new ground renovations give us an "elite" gym, comparable to the best in the AFL?? So why the flower do we have these teams still monstering us? Any real muscle definition with Bower, Gibbs, Robbo, Garlett, Lucas etc?? Mystifying. Honestly, it was men v boys y'day and Crows have had this over us for years, too.

BTW, there has been too much negativity towards Zach Tuohy around here lately. Sure, his form has dropped off, but he means it out there and a pre-season or two can only help his endurance, too. This guy's our future, he could be the hard body mid we will need in the next few years, has all the skill and attitude in spades.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:51 am 
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Brett Ratten wrote:
Make no mistake. There will be changes to the team confronting Melbourne at the MCG next Sunday.

Bottom line - if you can't win your own footy and you lose too many critical contests you can't play in our team.

I'm not altogether sure the replacements are necessarily ready, but I do know that if we put five, six, seven or eight games into them they will be ready - as opposed to those we've had to carry for a while.

Going into yesterday's game, I was under no illusions about Adelaide. Watching the Crows going around the previous weekend against Geelong at AAMI Stadium, I was so impressed with the way they ran both ways to create and cover and, on the flip side, the way they won the ball that was there to be won.

Yesterday, while I was reasonable happy with some of our work in the first quarter against a really good team, the Crows absolutely creamed us in their capacity to win the 50/50 ball and their work rate to get away from that was a lot more healthier than ours.

The Adelaide loss was of course compounded by the injury to Marc Murphy, and while a player of Marc's character cannot be replaced, his absence requires greater effort from everyone else to make a contest wherever and whenever they can.

It's about every other member of the group lifting a further two, three or five per cent to take up the slack without Marc - and I reckon that's what we need to do to become a better team, because at the moment we're isolated.

Melbourne poses a real danger, but then again every opposition team poses a danger. That's because the competition by its very nature is even and if you allow a team to have a crack at you they do.

As I said, there will be changes to the team line-up on Sunday, and there will be changes to the way we play

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