Get outta town....doomsdayers !! We were @#$%&! woeful and it's not acceptable. I'd have thought St kilda under Ross Lyon 2 years ago when they were flag favourites were even more suited to Etihad than they were on Monday night! We managed to sneak home by 10 goals that night.....

It's all @#$%&! mental with us - we can't handle expectation !

Fascinated by the drafting discussion.
Synbad says Ratten and Icke fought over Brock

Club 29 says they fought over mids v KPP, with Ratten favouring Mids
Synbad says Ratten wanted talls when we drafted Watson

I’m saying
We sealed the deal with Brock and Melbourne the day of the brownlow.
Announced at 6.00pm that day
Hours later Fevola goes mental and is gone. Immediately Brock looks like a waste.
Long term we did very well out of the Fevola trade.

Of course this is just my opinion and I won’t pretend its fact or that I'm in the know.

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you could be right....

though one thing is for sure.

Watto and McLean............ BUSTS!

Still just to prove im not biased.. id bring in Mclean for the next 4 weeks.

Inside and Judd his wingman.
Abit like Tom Cruise and Goose.
Though in my scenario Brock is Tom Cruise and Juddy is Goose.
Not the other way round for four weeks.

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Surrey, I didn't say we needed to drop a game. But were we are get in our development and the nature of the modern game we will lose around 4 to 5 games this year. You only have to be 5% off in concentration and you will get beaten. St Kilda played a fast paced physically instense game all night. That game style will win them games but it is unsustainable in the long term. What really good teams do is control games only stepping on the gas as needed ie they pace themsleves. We are a good team but are yet to learn how to control games so that when we step it up the opposition can not repsond. As you have may have quessed I am not that phased by the loss it was a reminder of what the playing group need to do in the future. We are in the top four, one game behind West Coast with a healthy percentage. Get to the turn around of the season in the same position and it sets up our run home nicely

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L.M 35-06

Agree on Watson (has to be the Alessio lineage)
Brock should have played 8 in a row
Essendon*
Freo
GWS
Saints
Adelaide
Melb
Port
Geelong

all have suitable match ups or are Etihad
Brock will never get picked now and may well be finished but he should have had this run

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What is Paul Williams doing with himself these days? I work with blokes who rock up, hide for 12 hours and then go home.

The way our centre bounces were panning out against the Saints makes me think Williams is pretty much doing the same thing.

Wasn't he our big stoppage/centre bounce investment this year, set to pave the way to unfounded clearance riches??

Pull your finger out Paul, we are getting smashed. Our ruck duo is one of the best in the league, we have a killer midfield and WE ARE GETTING SMASHED!!!

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BM the side hasnt won 5 in a row since 2000
Now to win a flag you may have to win 4 in row at the very best 3

Now you would think the highest priority would be to prove the side can win large blocks of games otherwise we will get to september win 2 then lose

Monday was ugly and watching that game I have doubts that we can make the top 4

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If we had of kicked straight and had some early umpiring go our way we may well have won the game, despite being beaten in the clearences and physically worked over. But we lost so the doomsayers can rant to thier hearts content. Fair enough. I tend to watch footy differently to most and in a completly different context. Maybe thats because of my sporting background. We had a shit night for sure and there is some stuff that needs to be worked on but really it was far from the disaster many are making it out to be.

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L.M 35-06

Mark, I wish I was as confident as you right now but this loss after the Essendon* loss has knocked the stuffing out of me and I seriously have doubts now. Maybe I was too confident after the Collingwood game and thought we learnt from last year. I doubt we will rebound at all actually and have a feeling Adelaide might just do a job on us. They are the best contested team in the competition are they not? I have lost faith, sorry.

If we play like that every week you would be right but we haven't and we don't. I would agree we need to win blocks of games but also have a look at our draw so far we have played Richmond who 'set' themselves but failed, played Freo at home, Collingwood last years Grand Finalist ( based on you one game theory we would win the Premiership in a canter) Essendon* on a mission, Saints the same, even GWS came to play. We are now the 'hunted' and thats O.K, we will get better at handling the expectation. I would suggest our true form is somewhere between the Collingwood and St Kilda games.

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L.M 35-06

Thats O.K Surrey after years of dissappointment we are all hungry for success its just going to take a little than we would like.

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It's a bit of a red herring. Play to a draft's strengths but don't go overboard. We also need to draft players we can develop. We shouldn't get caught in a cycle based on trying to negate our most recent or embarrassing losses. We need to anticipate the competition as a whole instead of drafting 'someone to play on Milne' (or the likes of) or 'our next enforcer'. That kind of thing is just reactive.

Toughness, for instance, is akin to belief and something that has to permeate through the entire team. It can also come from an unlikely or indirect source. Otherwise, we might as well just clone another Robinson and put a big 'E' on his jumper.

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What I think will happen:

In: Yarran
Out: Joseph

What I'd like to see:

In: Yarran, Collins, Dale, Thornton
Out: Joseph, Duigan, Russell, Murphy

Walker for a full game in the guts, Collins takes his role as a lead up forward. Gibbs forward also.

Have seen a few Adelaide games this year - mentally strong team, but a lot of players who are just physically weak and are found wanting to put their head over the ball. Petrenko is a shocker for this. As is Jaensch and on occasion, Johncock.

Without Walker, their forward line has a bit of x-factor about it. I assume they recall McKernan, and have the resting ruck through there. Porplyzia with a license to roam up the ground seems to work well for them as a link player and seemingly enlisted with ensuring that Dangerfield breaks a tag.

I expect us to come out all guns blazing with a point to prove in the first quarter. Having said that, I don't think we look a side capable of four quarters against a side of this quality. We'll win...ugly. I like the line.

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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Murphy's last two weeks have been completely unacceptable. People overlook the lazy habits for easier targets in Garlett and Gibbs.

The worrying correlation between his form and increase in media commitments, that often involve him making embarrassing comments that are seldom backed up on field, remind me a bit of Aussie Jones in the late 90s.

A getting back to basics out at Visy wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

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Nah...... i can't possibly aggree with that.
Sure, Murph hasnt ben great these past few weeks, but by round 5 he was almost Brownlow Medal favourite!

You don't drop players like Murphy..........you challenge them to pull their heads in.

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Is this another propaganda thread against Ratten and Hughes?

I thought it was a preview for Carlton v Adelaide..

McKay's work with the MRP isn't flawless.

For our sake, I hope McKay doesn't charge vet rates for the hours he puts in.

Murphy has been terrible by his standards. Reminds me more of Camporeale who would run forward to hit packs at speed and cut sides up by gutrunning. Yet he couldn't find the desire to chase hard and pick someone up the other way. It really hurts you if Simpson and Murphy play like that with their opponents winning the contests. If they're not working hard, then they're not as hard to tag due to their lack of size. They don't have the muscle and size that Koutoufides and Judd use to win their own ball.

Side needs to go back to basics and play accountable footy. No finessing. Move it on quickly out of the square and keep it moving. Russell, Robinson, Judd and Curnow were the only mids who were pushing back. Curnow wasn't poor. Curnow was a victim of St Kilda restricting our spread from contests. No Mclean. Brock couldn't spread quickly at the Playboy Mansion. Dangerfield, Van Berlo, Vince and Sloane would kill him on the transition at Etihad. Responsibity for winning the pill needs to go back to Simpson, Murphy, Curnow, Judd, Ellard and Robinson.

Gibbs need to play forward and push into the midfield like he did against North and Freo last year. Need his silk delivering the ball.

Murphy will never be dropped. Nor should he be but he needs to be taken behind closed doors by Ratts and read the riot act. He did a couple of lazy things last week that cost us goals. One I highlighted in the metch thead where he ran around the back of a player to get an easy stat, waltzed into space and delivered a shite pass to St Kilda who went straight over his head for a mark and goal. That is not Murphy. M<urphy is usually hard working and reliable but he has started to cop the premier tagger each week so he had better start getting used to the extra attention. Also, he won't get as many frees now that the umps are looking for players who drop down to get tackled high.

His set kicking for goal is also very suspect and I go back to two simple shots in the second semi last year that lost us the momentum and WCE just went past us after that.

Murphy is a gun. We all know that. Ratts has to know how to load, cock him and fire him when he's in a bit of a slump.

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If they had have kicked straight it would have been all over by 1/4 time. We were outplayed and outcoached. Nothing more or less

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