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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:07 pm 
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we went too hard too early club!
I would have assumed we would have known his physical condition.
Sydney played the whole Josh Kennedy thing much better.
rats wanted McLean at any cost!
we have up our first round for him. later we wanted change on the deal!

the deal was struck before the trade period window even opened.

I know icke was anti that Brock trade.

I would also assume we took him as footy manager to oversee the football department and be a checks and balances man.

obviously he wasn't allowed and he got the chop!

maybe if we took a tall in that draft we could use the following years picks on midfielders.

the point is icke was muted and we still took talls and half backs since.

McKay was alarmed with the list and recruiting when he stepped into the job.

Hughes is a casualty.

still nothing in the cupboard for midfielders though.

meaning we didn't plan properly.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:18 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
we went too hard too early club!
I would have assumed we would have known his physical condition.
Sydney played the whole Josh Kennedy thing much better.
rats wanted McLean at any cost!
we have up our first round for him. later we wanted change on the deal!

the deal was struck before the trade period window even opened.

I know icke was anti that Brock trade.

I would also assume we took him as footy manager to oversee the football department and be a checks and balances man.

obviously he wasn't allowed and he got the chop!

maybe if we took a tall in that draft we could use the following years picks on midfielders.

the point is icke was muted and we still took talls and half backs since.

McKay was alarmed with the list and recruiting when he stepped into the job.

Hughes is a casualty.

still nothing in the cupboard for midfielders though.

meaning we didn't plan properly.


I am sure Lucas v KPP also came into play and probably Watson v Mid also. The fact Mckay was alarmed doesnt sound too good for Icke.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:21 pm 
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we would be laughn if we drafted Darling over Watson since hendo has gone back

if only we had a crystal ball :P


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:21 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
we went too hard too early club!
I would have assumed we would have known his physical condition.
Sydney played the whole Josh Kennedy thing much better.
rats wanted McLean at any cost!
we have up our first round for him. later we wanted change on the deal!

the deal was struck before the trade period window even opened.

I know icke was anti that Brock trade.

I would also assume we took him as footy manager to oversee the football department and be a checks and balances man.

obviously he wasn't allowed and he got the chop!

maybe if we took a tall in that draft we could use the following years picks on midfielders.

the point is icke was muted and we still took talls and half backs since.

McKay was alarmed with the list and recruiting when he stepped into the job.

Hughes is a casualty.

still nothing in the cupboard for midfielders though.

meaning we didn't plan properly.


I am sure Lucas v KPP also came into play and probably Watson v Mid also. The fact Mckay was alarmed doesnt sound too good for Icke.

I think rats was the one that wanted the tall players in the Watson draft.

perceived dwarf syndrome.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:05 pm 
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The main problem is gettig the ball. You cant drop playes when there is little to bring in.
I would drop Russell and Duigan who were awful and bring in Lucas and Thornton.

Play Lucas as the loose man in defence
Play Thornton in attack
Gibbs up forward
as third tall

Joseph to play on Sloane or Dangerfield. He is better tagging mids and wont be scared getting his shorts dirty in the middle.
Play Waite as the second ruckman when Jacobs has a rest. Overrated player is Waite but this roll could free him up.

Hammer as first ruckman
Want to see Kreuzer play as a midfielder. He has the tank to do this.
He also could be more than handy in the middle with his big body and his courage.

Eddie needs some time in the middle during the game. A couple of short 5 minute bursts. he is excellent at extracting the ball from congestion.

Ellard starts in the centre
Dont play McLean
Whatever you think of this one thing is for certain we need to do something different.

Sounds weird but the fact is if the coaching staff go in with the same personal in the middleas last week we will get creamed


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:18 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The main problem is gettig the ball. You cant drop playes when there is little to bring in.
I would drop Russell and Duigan who were awful and bring in Lucas and Thornton.

Play Lucas as the loose man in defence
Play Thornton in attack
Gibbs up forward
as third tall

Joseph to play on Sloane or Dangerfield. He is better tagging mids and wont be scared getting his shorts dirty in the middle.
Play Waite as the second ruckman when Jacobs has a rest. Overrated player is Waite but this roll could free him up.

Hammer as first ruckman
Want to see Kreuzer play as a midfielder. He has the tank to do this.
He also could be more than handy in the middle with his big body and his courage.

Eddie needs some time in the middle during the game. A couple of short 5 minute bursts. he is excellent at extracting the ball from congestion.

Ellard starts in the centre
Dont play McLean
Whatever you think of this one thing is for certain we need to do something different.

Sounds weird but the fact is if the coaching staff go in with the same personal in the middleas last week we will get creamed


ok, yeah, so.
Waite as a ruckman
Krooze as ruck rover.
Gibbs as a tall forward.
Lucas plays loose man in defence.

I reckon each one of those suggestions on their own are up there with some of the strangest ideas I've seen recently.

When grouped together they are a perfect storm of stupidity.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:27 pm 
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How much ruck experience does Waite have?

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:57 pm 
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The problem is we keep dropping the same two players for the same two players we dropped the weekend before...and the cycle continues...

We don't seem to want to try anything outside the box to give Collins, Bootsma etc a real crack at it.

As a result, we seem to have developed a series of career Bullants players who never have the ability to get promoted. (...except Saad...!!)

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Yarran's toe touch and go
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

It is turf toe

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:21 pm 
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cimm what's your solution
because this is the AFL 2012
where a team looks great for a while then opposition teams analysis why and counter it.

Dont be fooled by all this shit that Carrazzo's abscence is the reason for the decline.
We have been worked out by other teams and everyone will try to copy Essendon*'s and StKilda's tactics.

Swarm around the contested stop us getting the ball because the players in there Monday night are too soft except for Judd and Ellard.

Ratten and co need to come up with new players in these positons.
We are short on the tough mid front.
Anyway what's your stupid solution


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:38 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Yarran's toe touch and go
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

It is turf toe

:roll:


FFS... Why cant they jsut come out and be honest about player injuries from the word go...

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:21 pm 
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keogh wrote:
cimm what's your solution
because this is the AFL 2012
where a team looks great for a while then opposition teams analysis why and counter it.

Dont be fooled by all this shit that Carrazzo's abscence is the reason for the decline.
We have been worked out by other teams and everyone will try to copy Essendon*'s and StKilda's tactics.

Swarm around the contested stop us getting the ball because the players in there Monday night are too soft except for Judd and Ellard.

Ratten and co need to come up with new players in these positons.
We are short on the tough mid front.
Anyway what's your stupid solution


Just a few.

Either give some thought to swapping Waite and Hendo.

or maybe

Play Warnock and keep Krooz at CHF.

but definitely

Show some flower spirit!

I don't want to hear AGAIN that we were flat!

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:25 pm 
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matched them for inside fifties
we were close in the clearances
kicking hurt us
efficiency was around 69% need to get that to around 73%
marks per inside 50 was down.
tackles we were 4 down 66 to 70
some guys missed their opportunity to impress today

out
brock
t bird
bower

in
russell
lucas
curnow

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Is Dylan Buckley ready? Give him a go this week.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:32 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Ratts wanted mids. Icke wanted KPP's.



So they agreed to meet in the middle and go for back flankers

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:38 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The main problem is gettig the ball. You cant drop playes when there is little to bring in.
I would drop Russell and Duigan who were awful and bring in Lucas and Thornton.

Play Lucas as the loose man in defence
Play Thornton in attack
Gibbs up forward
as third tall

Joseph to play on Sloane or Dangerfield. He is better tagging mids and wont be scared getting his shorts dirty in the middle.
Play Waite as the second ruckman when Jacobs has a rest. Overrated player is Waite but this roll could free him up.

Hammer as first ruckman
Want to see Kreuzer play as a midfielder. He has the tank to do this.
He also could be more than handy in the middle with his big body and his courage.

Eddie needs some time in the middle during the game. A couple of short 5 minute bursts. he is excellent at extracting the ball from congestion.

Ellard starts in the centre
Dont play McLean
Whatever you think of this one thing is for certain we need to do something different.

Sounds weird but the fact is if the coaching staff go in with the same personal in the middleas last week we will get creamed


Bit of a scatter gun approach there Keogh. A lot of hoping.

I want to see smaller and better ball handlers in the back half supporting Henda and Jamo. Once the ball hits the ground we are shaky.
Get Gibbs in the backline and team him up with Yaz. Throw touhy in and lets gobble up them loose balls and start attacking. They can also keep up better on the counter attacks.
Tighten up around the packs and dont let it out so easy. On our terms or another stoppage. Might mean us taking less risks in there but so be it. I reckon i have just saved us 6 goals against right there.
Engage the clogged up footy style and slog it out with them. Move the ball forward to 70m out then kick it deep to the space behind our last forward. No more shallow entries from 85m out. They get rebounded too easy and in the worse possible way with our players streaming forward.

Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. Small adjustments in tactics ,attitude and form and we can slog it out with the best of them. Make last monday night a learning experience and a turning point. We can knuckle down and play tight games when we set ourselves for them. We have done it in the past. We didnt do too bad against freo, Sydney in Sydney last year and the big final in WA with men down we put up a top showing. Prepare like that for this week and really set ourselves for a tough game.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:49 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Prepare like that for this week and really set ourselves for a tough game.


Yep and next week against Melbourne and then Port Adelaide, lets rest one or two and lose one these because where flat. :razz:
We need to play tough football for 5-6 weeks straight before I even get think about getting excited about this group again. :mad:


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:44 pm 
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I figured we would drop a game against either the Saints or Adelaide. Given that not a lot went right on Monday night I expect the team to come out firing on Sunday. What was missed by people in the Doomsday thread was that the Saints play Eithad much better than we do and thier game style suits the ground where as ours in designed for the bigger grounds, thus we were always up against on Monday. We will be much cleaner with ball this week and harder at the ball carrier. Expect an even first half with us pulling away in the second for the win.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:55 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
I figured we would drop a game against either the Saints or Adelaide. Given that not a lot went right on Monday night I expect the team to come out firing on Sunday. What was missed by people in the Doomsday thread was that the Saints play Eithad much better than we do and thier game style suits the ground where as ours in designed for the bigger grounds, thus we were always up against on Monday. We will be much cleaner with ball this week and harder at the ball carrier. Expect an even first half with us pulling away in the second for the win.


Hope you are right.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:03 pm 
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Sorry Mark but why do we need to drop a game? That is the mentality that is killing us. I'm sick of hearing it and we need to get over it. You don't drop games - good teams have a killer instinct and destroy teams like StKilda and close the coffin on the way through to the next contest. Eye of the tiger....our boys need to find it!!!!


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