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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:00 am 
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in
McLean
yarran
Thornton

out

Joseph
duigan
curnow

McLean on the inside.
Judd on the outside of him not the other way around.
Walker in the midfield
Jameson and Waite swapped around. but Jameson full forward and Thornton centre half forward.
Waite and Henderson making it a faster backline.

yarran and Irish the deep sweepers for the opposition breaks.

no hard press.

midfield added grunt.

should be much more balanced set up for what's going on.

Waite can't stay lazy!

Jameson will provide some kind of target without the bells and whistles.



WOW - a Plan B...Now, if only our Super Coach could achieve a Plan B, we could counter other teams...if only

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:05 am 
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the question remains.

how will we get our hands on the ball and given time to spread and do what we were doing when we are swarmed in the midfield?

simply saying desire is not good enough.
when players are conditioned to play a certain way and the opposition have shut that down on them they look to the coach for answers.

when it is not addressed, they lose confidence.

which you are Seeing now.

there needs to be a change in structure and a more balanced game plan.

bombers are getting their hands on the pill. they proved that with us. we are not!

so can't compare what the bombers are doing with what we are doing.

we need to first find a way to find the pill and work backwards from there.

that's simple planning.

won't happen by following what we have been doing but rearranging the deck chairs.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:07 am 
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..taking into account form and fitness of the list [and assuming Yaz is right to come back in], i'd set up like this.. ..highly doubt it would though..


FB: Touhy Jamo Duigan
HB: Yazz Bower Rusty
CC: Snotland Walker Simpson
HF: Waite Henderson Gibbs
FF: Betts Krooz Garlett
RR: Hammer Judd Murphy

Int: Robbo Ellard Curnow Lucas

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:08 am 
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Would love to see Buddy's Cousin get some time in the guts as an outside, speedy runner. to help him try and find some form and give us a quick burst away from the congestion.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:08 am 
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out bower joseph
in yarran thornton
lets not panic

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:32 am 
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four weeks we have not panicked.

what's five weeks right?

its not panicking.

we just have not addressed our fundamental flaw.
I panicked two drafts ago.

its not time to cop the perpetual Larry Holmes jab to the chin till you go down.


we are predictable. we are bleeding! we are burlie we are being hunted on our predictability!

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:



we are predictable!


Having been saying this for a while....especially when we go inside 50....have been for years now it's not just an overnight thing....

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:11 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
the question remains.

how will we get our hands on the ball and given time to spread and do what we were doing when we are swarmed in the midfield?

simply saying desire is not good enough.
when players are conditioned to play a certain way and the opposition have shut that down on them they look to the coach for answers.

when it is not addressed, they lose confidence.

which you are Seeing now.

there needs to be a change in structure and a more balanced game plan.

bombers are getting their hands on the pill. they proved that with us. we are not!

so can't compare what the bombers are doing with what we are doing.

we need to first find a way to find the pill and work backwards from there.

that's simple planning.

won't happen by following what we have been doing but rearranging the deck chairs.


I agree with that and think i addressed it in my earlier post. I suggest we take a bit of risk taking out of our movement away from stoppages. It has crept in with frustration caused by the congestion. It is not working and leaves open out the back. I say we engage in the arm wrestle. Get involved in the congestion ourselves and embrace it. Get intense in there like we did in the last part of the third when everything started to look pretty good. If we can handle that and get in front they will have to adjust to get some score and then it is played on our terms.

No need to smash up our gameplan and start again. Just tweak it and the players attitudes. Start by limiting their score and letting them know we are not fussed about what they are doing. Learn to love it. Forget about the super dash from the stoppage until we break them.

A question to you Synbad. Do you think crows will throw their gameplan out the window to hunt us? or will they stick to whats been working for them? I think the hunter types sit about mid table and have nothing to lose. I dont think the crows will do what lyon does or what the GWS and Saints did ( i reckon bombers did something different). I think the Crows have their own plan and wont want to change it too much. That is where i think we will get them.

Against saints we were getting first touch from the ruck but we kept giving it back trying to be too dashing or just plain fumbling.

- Lift the intensity and energy.
- Be tighter in the bubble defensively. Keep it locked in if we cant get out on our terms.
- cut back on the risk taking a tad on the way out of stoppages. Its not coming off. we keep giving it back in the worse possible circumstances.
- Play a quicker backline with better ground level skills.
- Do our very best to get infront early to get them to adjust their game if they want to pack the stoppages.

Its not all doom and gloom. A couple of big wins and we are back in the frame for top4.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:20 pm 
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you mean will they throw their getting their hands on the football out the window to play a fast uncontested possession game like we do?

highly doubtful.

what people don't understand is we don't have enough genuine players that win the hard ball!

when is the last time we played a game scrap and come over the top of highly credentialed team to beat them?

why do you think that is?

our game plan looks sensational but if teams come to play it doesn't stand up too often!

number one in uncontested football is not finals football!

second. if you want to see carrots play in a hot game check out the West coast final! you need not look any further than that!

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
you mean will they throw their getting their hands on the football out the window to play a fast uncontested possession game like we do?

highly doubtful.

what people don't understand is we don't have enough genuine players that win the hard ball!

when is the last time we played a game scrap and come over the top of highly credentialed team to beat them?

why do you think that is?

our game plan looks sensational but if teams come to play it doesn't stand up too often!

number one in uncontested football is not finals football!

second. if you want to see carrots play in a hot game check out the West coast final! you need not look any further than that!


I agree the big games are tighter. Thats why these losses could be a god send. Eventually it will click with the players and coaches that we have to engage in these contests not let it get us frustrated. Stick an extra man around the packs or defense ourselves. Focus on winning possession and limiting score against and rejig our attacks from there. Frustrate the other team.
Its not that difficult an adjustment that it cant be made mid season.

I agree we need more onballers. I agree the draft before last was a mistake. 3 talls in that draft is not helping. Icke has a lot to answer for there and probably why he got the flick.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 pm 
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icke got the ass over a feud with ratten .
nothing to do with that draft!
second we didnt adress is two years ago and still used a second round pick for a tall and a first round plick for a hbfer knowing we had a tiny buckley in the bank

judd is asked and does too much to fill the void and thats not good for him or the club and scotland is 32 33

bad drafting policy bad planning!

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:40 pm 
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I have to agree Brenton Sanderson main focus for Adelaide over the pre-season was contested possession training (1-on-1 marking and hard ball gets etc). With no main increase in their personnel they have come along in leaps and bounds.

The other issue is the defence getting sucked in. When Tim Watson said all but two players were in our forward 50 it was an indication of the breakdown of defence structure. Can't imagine Scarlett or a Fletcher going in like that ... They would surely form a wall a kick or two back. We missed Laidler badly.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:44 pm 
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just on the coaching and undisciplined acts . why are our players flying against each other back and forward?
why do we give away the ball so easily?

players or coaches?

should never happen!

it does all the time.

me thinks coaching is poor!

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
icke got the ass over a feud with ratten .
nothing to do with that draft!
second we didnt adress is two years ago and still used a second round pick for a tall and a first round plick for a hbfer knowing we had a tiny buckley in the bank

judd is asked and does too much to fill the void and thats not good for him or the club and scotland is 32 33

bad drafting policy bad planning!


Not sure any mid taken in last years draft at pick 40odd would have any impact in the team now. Still decent enough point.

I understand that Icke and Ratts feud was list building related and Ratts love of drafting onballers. Id imagine the philosophy behind the Mclean and Lucas gets clashed with Ickes and things heated up.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:17 pm 
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Nice quote in todays Jack Watts article, even though it is from the demolition man, that could sum up some of the Carlton players.

"He needs to find the mongrel to beat a thrice-rejected rookie who is not going to die wondering".

Crows got caught out against Hawthorn at the M.C.G., but i'd be floored if they died wondering this week at Etihad...

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:21 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
icke got the ass over a feud with ratten .
nothing to do with that draft!
second we didnt adress is two years ago and still used a second round pick for a tall and a first round plick for a hbfer knowing we had a tiny buckley in the bank

judd is asked and does too much to fill the void and thats not good for him or the club and scotland is 32 33

bad drafting policy bad planning!


Not sure any mid taken in last years draft at pick 40odd would have any impact in the team now. Still decent enough point.

I understand that Icke and Ratts feud was list building related and Ratts love of drafting onballers. Id imagine the philosophy behind the Mclean and Lucas gets clashed with Ickes and things heated up.

the feud as I understand it began with ickes reluctance to trade for McLean and rats insisting and the fall out of the disaster that followed.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:03 pm 
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Anencephalic wrote:
I have to agree Brenton Sanderson main focus for Adelaide over the pre-season was contested possession training (1-on-1 marking and hard ball gets etc). With no main increase in their personnel they have come along in leaps and bounds.

The other issue is the defence getting sucked in. When Tim Watson said all but two players were in our forward 50 it was an indication of the breakdown of defence structure. Can't imagine Scarlett or a Fletcher going in like that ... They would surely form a wall a kick or two back. We missed Laidler badly.


Sanderson has faith in the talent of his players.
That's what a coach does.
That's how a team grows and plays.
You teach them how to harness their talent and skill.
In due time the will be like Brisbane and Geelong.
It will be difficult to find a weakness.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
icke got the ass over a feud with ratten .
nothing to do with that draft!
second we didnt adress is two years ago and still used a second round pick for a tall and a first round plick for a hbfer knowing we had a tiny buckley in the bank

judd is asked and does too much to fill the void and thats not good for him or the club and scotland is 32 33

bad drafting policy bad planning!


Not sure any mid taken in last years draft at pick 40odd would have any impact in the team now. Still decent enough point.

I understand that Icke and Ratts feud was list building related and Ratts love of drafting onballers. Id imagine the philosophy behind the Mclean and Lucas gets clashed with Ickes and things heated up.

the feud as I understand it began with ickes reluctance to trade for McLean and rats insisting and the fall out of the disaster that followed.


:lol: of course it was.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
Synbad wrote:
[qicke got the ass over a feud with ratten .
nothing to do with that draft!
second we didnt adress is two years ago and still used a second round pick for a tall and a first round plick for a hbfer knowing we had a tiny buckley in the bank

judd is asked and does too much to fill the void and thats not good for him or the club and scotland is 32 33

bad drafting policy bad planning!


Not sure any mid taken in last years draft at pick 40odd would have any impact in the team now. Still decent enough point.

I understand that Icke and Ratts feud was list building related and Ratts love of drafting onballers. Id imagine the philosophy behind the Mclean and Lucas gets clashed with Ickes and things heated up.

the feud as I understand it began with ickes reluctance to trade for McLean and rats insisting and the fall out of the disaster that followed.[/quote]

:lol: of course it was.[/quote]
I think club agrees too!
he alluded to it about the midfielders he wanted!
:grin:

so that makes two of us.

against Juanita!

I'd back myself in anytime

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:57 pm 
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Ratts wanted mids. Icke wanted KPP's.

I am sure you agree with Ratts on that one Synbad you just dont agree with the way the Brock deal was cut ie you believe their was a stuff up with the health check.


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