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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:33 am 
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as have the magpies!
no surprises they have both tasted success!



2 flags in 50 years.... just sayin' :-)

thats a weird way to look at things

you can talk about ancient history or whats going on now.

hawthorn geelong and collingwood have all evolved into the current century and manifested themselves as major modern age afl clubs.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:47 am 
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Stone Free wrote:
Synbad wrote:
as have the magpies!
no surprises they have both tasted success!



2 flags in 50 years.... just sayin' :-)


I think we're better off separating the on from the off-field success of the likes of Geelong and Collingwood (Hawthorn to a lesser extent because they have positioned themselves with ease due to the $1 50-year lease of Waverley). Had the Saints won the flag they should have, they'd still be in the position they are today.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:03 am 
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But all the pieces have fallen into place at the right time, I don't think you agree, but on field form has a massive impact in off field activity and success.


Of course I agree! But those pieces don't fall into place by accident. They fall into place under great management and Brian Cook and Frank Costa understood their predicament, took risks - (many creative as well as calculated), and stuck to the plan even when people in high places told them to reassess their position. They didn't 'wing' it.


I wonder how many marginal seats there are in Geelong?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:24 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Stone Free wrote:
Synbad wrote:
as have the magpies!
no surprises they have both tasted success!



2 flags in 50 years.... just sayin' :-)

thats a weird way to look at things

you can talk about ancient history or whats going on now.

hawthorn geelong and collingwood have all evolved into the current century and manifested themselves as major modern age afl clubs.



I was just pointing out that premierships do not necessarily mean on field success which does not necessarily mean off field success. Anyway, if the Kangaroos, Bulldogs and the Demons last out the century in their current guise then we'll all be surprised.....not least me as I'll be 126 then.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:32 am 
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you still must be a power house off field. go this day and age of clubs attempting to be as uber. professional as possible!
I remember a past powerbroker at our club saying running a football club is similar to running a suburban football club only bigger!

clearly that may have been true more than a decade ago but not today!

there is no excuse for not having a thorough organisation with the types of wages paid today!

there are too many officials around the club today that were around back then!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:50 am 
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woof wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
But all the pieces have fallen into place at the right time, I don't think you agree, but on field form has a massive impact in off field activity and success.


Of course I agree! But those pieces don't fall into place by accident. They fall into place under great management and Brian Cook and Frank Costa understood their predicament, took risks - (many creative as well as calculated), and stuck to the plan even when people in high places told them to reassess their position. They didn't 'wing' it.


I wonder how many marginal seats there are in Geelong?


I referred to that on the last page, but I was more referencing what Cook and Costa did 10 years ago. Politics being what they are, the Geelong Football Club benefits greatly from Corangamite being a marginal seat. Refurbishing a stadium = jobs. However, back to the point...

Brian Cook, CEO - Geelong FC wrote:
''The AFL is disequalling distribution in order to make up for that [clubs losing money]. But it is a cost expenditure model that is being promoted in some respects. In trying to reduce the gap between the haves and have-nots, you are actually increasing expenditures to do that. The AFL providing more money to the have-nots is in order for them to catch up so the industry model is very much a cost-expenditure-incentive model which I find a bit intriguing.

''Admittedly, it's balanced up by better management and that is happening all the time. But not everywhere.''

Cook said clubs needed to improve controlling costs and revenue raising.

''Raising revenue is much harder than what people say. The thing about raising revenue is there is this fallacy or belief that you have got to go outside footy to raise more dollars. But none of us are good at it,'' he said.

''I don't know a club that is great at non-core revenue raising. Unless you want to go big on gaming, and that becomes an ethical issue for a lot of clubs, including us, it's not that easy.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:11 pm 
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Cook and Costa were a good combo but you can find some ordinary things that have happened in their time.
Ablett and Thompson saga.
Ablett leaving.
Thompson leaving.
Thompson having a crack at a players girlfriend which almost destroyed the club.
Not perfect.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:14 pm 
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I also think it's hilarious that they claim to be terrible at one of their core responsibilities within the organisation. :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:14 pm 
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shady land deals???


yeah I made that up



or did I?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:31 pm 
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I suppose if you win a flag or three you get exemptions.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:38 pm 
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woof wrote:
Thompson having a crack at a players girlfriend which almost destroyed the club.
Not perfect.


That's a joke right?! :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:13 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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Thompson having a crack at a players girlfriend which almost destroyed the club.
Not perfect.


That's a joke right?! :lol:


That's what Costa and Cook said to one another when they saw his phone records after he walked out the door.
"That's a joke right" :sly:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:18 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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Thompson having a crack at a players girlfriend which almost destroyed the club.
Not perfect.


That's a joke right?! :lol:

Well first of all, I'd hardly call him a player......

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Ok, so what's plan B now that Andy D has indicated pokey licenses will be a no no for AFL clubs sooner than later?

Let the Clubs PR campaign begin .... I am awaiting with great interest how this plays out. Some casualties will come as the members call the boards bluff on an alternate plan.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:26 pm 
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No to pokies but gambling thru Sportsbet, TAB etc is the way to go.

Hypocrites.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:30 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
Ok, so what's plan B now that Andy D has indicated pokey licenses will be a no no for AFL clubs sooner than later?

Let the Clubs PR campaign begin .... I am awaiting with great interest how this plays out. Some casualties will come as the members call the boards bluff on an alternate plan.

Identify waste and inefficiency from top to bottom and trim the fat - I'm tipping there's plenty of it.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:43 pm 
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Are the AFL the government?

What right do they have to "legislate" against clubs owning pokies?

They think they can control how clubs think (Rendell) and fund their footy departments.

If the AFL forces clubs to sell, then they will have to make up the difference. Prospective buyers will see the clubs as suckers and desperate to offload their investments. It just moves the revenue to another bank account without addressing the issue. The truth will be somewhere inbetween with the AFL and the clubs meeting on middle ground.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:21 pm 
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More licences for Wesfarmers and Woolies to buy up, then.

Won't decrease the number of poker machines, it'll just concentrate them further into the hands of our retail giants.

I don't like pokies. Hate them really.

But until the state government legislates to decrease their numbers, or bans them completely, I'd rather the money go to footy clubs than Wesfarmers and Woolworths.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:33 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Are the AFL the government?

What right do they have to "legislate" against clubs owning pokies?

They think they can control how clubs think (Rendell) and fund their footy departments.

If the AFL forces clubs to sell, then they will have to make up the difference. Prospective buyers will see the clubs as suckers and desperate to offload their investments. It just moves the revenue to another bank account without addressing the issue. The truth will be somewhere inbetween with the AFL and the clubs meeting on middle ground.

The AFL commission are the REGULATORS of the clubs, appointed by the clubs.


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