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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:46 am 
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confidence is everything in football!
the more players you have with self doubt the less good youre going to be.

some teams are better at handling the mind dimmension than others.
we are not one of the better clubs at handling mind issues.
we have had a few players on the footy scrap pile over the last couple of years.
thornton,bower,grigg,walker,setanta etc

some have shown something when we have given them belief!

i think collingwood are miles ahead when it comes to players feeling good about themselves.

to just believe it cant be improved and is natural is ludicrous in an era of high intensity and work load on individual players you need everybody up and firing .


Confidence does mean a lot, no doubt.
Had have you used that argument against Carlton early last year, I would have agreed with you.

Murphy, Thornton and Yarran have openly admitted their improvement for Ratten showing faith in them and Walker may well be in that boat, also.
Some may be better which is very possible, but we're not completely unaware of keeping the group up and as at this point in time, they are.

I understand that Ratten gave the boys a blast yesterday for their showing on the weekend, yet applauded Bower for his efforts.
Maybe he was just doing a "Thornton" with him right now.

unlike alot here i am a bower fan!
he has shown it in the past doing well on reiwoldt cloke and buddy so i reckon he is one we must get right mentally!

im not sure what is going on with some players but they look low vibe and unsure!
the trick is juggling stuff so we dont drop any of.them .

everyone must be ready to play when called upon.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:20 am 
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Collingwood miles ahead on the meter of "players feeling good about themselves"?

Is that a wisekrak?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:46 am 
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unlike alot here i am a bower fan!
he has shown it in the past doing well on reiwoldt cloke and buddy so i reckon he is one we must get right mentally!

im not sure what is going on with some players but they look low vibe and unsure!
the trick is juggling stuff so we dont drop any of.them .

everyone must be ready to play when called upon.


I am a Bower fan also and for that reason find myself glossing over some of his awkward ways, yet still believe he has plenty to offer.
Bower becomes somewhat better with Jamison around him as the two do have some synergy.

With what you're talking about though, it doesn't attach itself to only our club, but it certainly can permeate if not snuffed out early on.
The Collingwood boys in Tarrant, Didak, Cloke have also had drops of confidence through their tenure at the club and at one time or an other, as I imagine all players do.
How the club recognizes it and deals with it, is the issue though.

Makes for another topic really, but unless we know all the mechanisms each club has in place, it may be a hollow chat.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:55 am 
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Get a grip guys! Geez it is only Round one of the NAB Cup. Consider that the following players were totally missing on Sunday:

Walker, Judd, Warnock, Robinson, Rowe, Waite, Duigan, Jamison & White.

A couple would be considered borderline to our best side, but they would normally be cover for missing our best players.


The following guys only appeared in one of the teams and some only played limited time:

Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Betts, Henderson, Garlett & Tuohy.



So what did we learn from the hitout, that we didn’t already know?



1. Hammer will make it as a forward.

2. Kane Lucas is over his injuries and will add to the rotation.

3. Bootsma is an exciting prospect and will challenge for a spot a bit later.

4. Buckley, once getting some core strength, is very astute. 2013, I reckon.

5. Lachie Henderson is certainly one of our KPD’s.

6. Frazer Dale won’t be a Rookie for too long. Looks the goods.

7. Matthew Watson is still a baby, needs more time and direction.

8. Andrew Collins might actually make it as a senior Blue.

9. Bret Thornton is a better forward than a defender.

10. Andrew Carrazzo still does 360’s and slows play down.


So what was inconclusive about the matches?


1. Will Bryce Gibbs play more in the Centre square?

2. Will Matthew Kreuzer play more Ruck or Forward?

3. Will Scotto play the Quarter back role or be part of Mid rotations?

4. Will Brock McLean be one of our In and Under types?

5. Will Ed Curnow be one of our In and Under types?

6. Will David Ellard be one of our In and Under types?

7. Will Paul Bower play more in the VFL or AFL?

8. Will Patrick McCarthy make it at AFL level?

9. Is there a place for Aaron Joseph any longer?

10. What is Zach Tuohy? A last line defender, flanker, midfielder?



There is plenty of time to find the answers in the coming weeks!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:29 pm 
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Ratts so far has chose his targets well. Finds a guy drifting off a bit and is not out of contract at the end of the year and then sends them back to the twos and seemingly forgets about them.
They then get a bee in their bonnet, request a trade, fail to be traded and then fire up and turn a corner. I reckon Bower and Russell are getting Walkered and Thortoned.

Liked Buckleys confidence.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:30 pm 
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I've already torn up my membership!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:42 pm 
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dane wrote:
I've already torn up my membership!

Go and do it again..smaller pieces this time. I want confetti damn it. Thats if you have the self-confidence Dane, c'mon innovate mate

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:46 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
dane wrote:
I've already torn up my membership!

Go and do it again..smaller pieces this time. I want confetti damn it. Thats if you have the self-confidence Dane, c'mon innovate mate


I just ordered the "Will it Blend" of YouTube fame Blender.
Should sort it right out.
I'm going to mail it back to Carlton/The Evil Empire later this week.
AS A POWDER.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:49 pm 
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BrizzyBlue wrote:
10. Andrew Carrazzo still does 360’s and slows play down.




Like Carrazzo himself you also forgot to mention he still cant hit the side of one of these :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Confidence in a player comes from variable areas.
One of the foremost aspects in having confidence are the players around you.
The confidence to attack, execute and knowing that you will be protected and have the commitment from your team mates.
The confidence in the youngsters comes from the protection of their senior players which allows them to play unrestricted football.This encourages their self belief and aids in the onset of a quicker developed player. This is also relevant to players down in form and knowing that they can be more attacking with the belief that they will be backed up by their team mates .
Harder bodied, reliable and protective seniors are the most important in the area of building confidence in a single player and also a team.
I hate to admit it but Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong's seniors have been the biggest influences in the development in their juniors and also in the players returning to the seniors from injury.
This is why I believe we have taken some time longer to build our confidence in not only our individual players but in the team as well. Our senior list for a while now as a whole hasn't been able to protect and instil confidence in the incoming juniors.
I remember seeing Murphy in his first year been smacked from pillar to post and no one standing up for him. I thought at the time this is not Carlton and feeling dejected.
Were still not there but are slowly rising, now we need the seniors to take charge and instil some fight and arrogance in the club. This will fast track development ,build confidence in individual players and the team as a whole.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:41 pm 
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I think Watson just needs time for the rest of his body to catch up with the size of his head. It's a miracle he can get his jumper over it!

Just before they broke the mould, he opted for the safety features, including a roll cage.

Synbad wrote:
Watson should go back to the forward line where he has played all his underage football. definitely not a natural in the back line. that splash from the top turn buckle was pretty good though.

Played TAC as a defender?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
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"We weren't switched on at all," Ratten said.

"It was like we were coming out for a training session and we weren't switched on at all.

"Defensively we were really poor and we should maybe have been five or six goals down, which wasn't the way that we wanted to start 2012.

"We want to make sure that our performance is to a level that we expect and there's no doubt in the first game that it wasn't, whether we played the kids or the older players."

Didn't see either game, but if the coach is disappointed, then so am I.

They're all up on afl.com.au

If some international viewers want to have a go at the direct links to see if they can view/download, PM me (it's perfectly legit).

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:46 pm 
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harker wrote:
I understand that Ratten gave the boys a blast yesterday for their showing on the weekend, yet applauded Bower for his efforts.
Maybe he was just doing a "Thornton" with him right now.

He may not have looked great when on camera, but he was doing a lot of scrambling to cover for team mates, then doubling up to provide an outlet in transition. One of the few.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:01 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
I think Watson just needs time for the rest of his body to catch up with the size of his head. It's a miracle he can get his jumper over it!

Just before they broke the mould, he opted for the safety features, including a roll cage.

Synbad wrote:
Watson should go back to the forward line where he has played all his underage football. definitely not a natural in the back line. that splash from the top turn buckle was pretty good though.

Played TAC as a defender?

really?

no way!

he has no idea how to play defence!

let's ask me caz ! no way has Watson been playing defence before coming to the club!
if he did he would have a clue!


Mr caz? was Watson a forward or defender under age footy?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:04 pm 
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[youtube]X1a1RAPCvTs[/youtube]

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:20 pm 
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Does anyone know who was 23 for WA in that game?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:26 pm 
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woof wrote:
Does anyone know who was 23 for WA in that game?


Jack Darling


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:40 pm 
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[youtube]X1a1RAPCvTs[/youtube]

you would never have thought the boy grew up a defender!
he has so much to learn!

now bootsma showed he was a natural defender!
he was close to his man and his spoiling technique was very good!
next thing you guys are going to tell me he played primarily as a midfield player underage !

seriously bootsma looked like he understood playing defensive football!

Watson has no idea!

his biggest problem as along with his lack of defensive aptitude is his very obvious lack of afl mobility!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:44 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
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Does anyone know who was 23 for WA in that game?


Jack Darling



bet he can't play on that half back line!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:05 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
I think Watson just needs time for the rest of his body to catch up with the size of his head. It's a miracle he can get his jumper over it!

Just before they broke the mould, he opted for the safety features, including a roll cage.

Synbad wrote:
Watson should go back to the forward line where he has played all his underage football. definitely not a natural in the back line. that splash from the top turn buckle was pretty good though.

Played TAC as a defender?

really?

no way!

he has no idea how to play defence!

let's ask me caz ! no way has Watson been playing defence before coming to the club!
if he did he would have a clue!


Mr caz? was Watson a forward or defender under age footy?

Watson played his footy as a defender in u/18 not sure before that
Kevin Sheehan says: Matthew is a left-footed tall defender with a penetrating kick and is strong in the air. He is composed with the ball in his hands and had a consistent under-18 championships, winning All-Australian honours and averaging 19 disposals and five marks

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What type of player are you?
A strong defensive player who enjoys a challenge against good CHF. Never wants to be beaten in a contest and uses my long kicks, aggressive spoiling and line breaking to my advantage.

Which AFL player do you feel you resemble, and why?
Sam Gilbert of St Kilda because of his ability to break the lines and penetrate the ball in 50. Also his ability to take a good overhead mark.

What are your strengths as a footballer?
Long kicks. Closing speed. Aggressive spoiling. Breaking the lines. Overhead marks. Encourage teammates. Leadership on field.

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